02:56:46 As "we" I meant whoever is currently taking the lead on the alternative site implemention. I might be out of touch but I think whoever is working with Astro can also make it work with markdown. But it's definitely possible and bsokute mandatory to make it work with markdown. 02:57:16 Otherwise is unacceptable 02:58:49 As "we" I meant whoever is currently taking the lead on the alternative site implemention. I might be out of touch but I think whoever is working with Astro can also make it work with markdown. But it's definitely possible and absolutely mandatory to make it work with markdown. 02:59:36 As "we" I meant whoever is currently taking the lead on the alternative site implemention. I might be out of touch but I think whoever is working with Astro can also make it work with markdown. It's definitely possible and absolutely mandatory to make it work with markdown. 03:44:08 <321bob321:monero.social> Aslong as selsta can do there blogs 06:09:06 ACK 08:44:35 digilol is dark https://www.digilol.net 08:49:26 <321bob321:monero.social> ban 08:53:40 Criminals fr 08:53:54 Must be blackhats 08:56:18 hardened, do you agree / any problems with backend in 08:56:19 - astro w/ markdown support 08:59:23 I was more excited about switching to Hugo but I don't know much about Astro, if its better i'm ok to learn, it shouldn't be much complicated ig. 09:01:03 @plowsof:matrix.org i'm not in hurry but should I ask lugi for payout? and should I make PR to change proposal to completed? 09:01:28 <321bob321:monero.social> just update your ccs 09:03:22 with a comment? yes i already [did](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/481#note_26242) 09:03:29 there are currently 4 people awaiting payout 09:03:40 <321bob321:monero.social> island time 09:03:49 I propose creating a new Psychological Support Workgroup 09:04:05 no further actions required 09:04:57 oh alright, i just wanted to make sure if everything ok. I'm not in hurry. 09:06:49 <321bob321:monero.social> i nominate you as shrink 09:07:02 <321bob321:monero.social> all in favour? 09:08:53 Hehe 09:21:37 Fwiw it was my first front end framework and i had zero experience in Javascript 09:22:24 I quickly get up to speed in four days 09:22:40 And once the skeleton is done, the rest is just good old markdown 09:24:19 Oh I missed that message from hardenedsteel. I didn't know he would like to implement the website. 09:28:03 In my. opinion we are still very far from implementation. 09:28:05 What I suggested to Diego is to create a Figma of the existing website, so that we can then iterate on it step by step. That process will take some time. 09:30:03 People talk a lot about implementation, Astro vs Hugo, etc. Go ahead, make a proof of concept with Hugo, stop talking. 09:31:39 Hardnened work pn the website 09:31:48 Hardnened works on the website 09:32:13 I dont think hardened is offering to implement it, but helps maintain it 09:32:29 Regarding design, I think this is the best decision today, because it has become clear that this group can't take any decision, is unable to be productive, so let's stick with current design for now. And we can iterate carefully, slowly, on it. 09:32:54 ofrnxmr: Right ok 09:33:26 ever heard of a filibuster? 09:33:36 No 09:34:23 A filibuster is a political procedure in which one or more members of a legislative body prolong debate on proposed legislation so as to delay or entirely prevent a decision. It is sometimes referred to as "talking a bill to death" or "talking out a bill",[1] and is characterized as a form of obstruction in a legislature or other decision-making body. 09:35:05 Right 09:35:16 Its not that we can't make a decision, its that some ppl dont want us to 09:35:32 Same thing happened with ccs wallet "path forward" after hack 09:36:18 Maybe it's that. I am trying to grasp this community for some time now. And I have mixed feelings. 09:36:51 its obvious to me that ppl who dont want to contribute just enjoy throwinf wrenches into plans 09:37:28 and they do it in every workgroup that they are in attendance 09:37:38 the disparity here is that the designer is being paid, janaka not 09:37:41 the more we delay 09:38:01 ^^ +1000 09:38:17 Ive had an issue with the hijacking of the ccs from day 0 09:38:40 The votes on the ccs were completely ignored, we let that slide 09:38:41 any wrench in the works only affects janaka 09:38:48 I am not sure to get the point. I am not against money, but if it was only for money I would not be here. 09:39:01 We waited for designs, and now were discarding everything going back to step 0 09:39:30 which is fine for people being paid to design / run the -site workgroup 09:39:38 We already paid for diego to do a competing design, its one that closely mimicks the current design 09:40:10 I think we shouldnt be wasting time re re re doing it. Paint bucket it to light theme and implement it 09:40:24 Janakas ccs should have been merged and in progress weeks ago 09:40:47 this "meeting every 3 weeks for someones ccs" is asinine 09:41:00 Maybe I am to blame also. Because I didn't realise until recently that dark mode was a mistake. 09:41:40 Dark mode and light mode are interchangeable. Diego just needs to make adjustments to his current paid work 09:42:12 Make it light, get rid of hero, change circles to rectangles, (keep design close to current) 09:42:39 This is also an option yes 09:44:05 spending many more hours on recreating the current site is a waste of time. The new design isn't all that much different (aside from hero and circles) 09:45:03 I am more inclined to spend one more week on something and having a solid foundation for years 09:45:25 We are not really in a hurry 09:50:28 ofrn wants to see diego's proposal in light mode so we have a 1:1 comparison to current. Remaking current sounds nice and all but new one (homepage) is already done. We could be implementing by now. Dont need 3 more weeks of filibuster and going back to "astro? Or jekyll? Or hugo?" Or "light? Dark? Pink?" Or "hammerman? Diego? Diego-old?" 09:50:47 Like 4hrs of meeting time wasted on the most simple shit 09:51:04 Could have implemented all options by now 😆 10:00:18 We don't ever discuss anything aside from the nee website. The meetings arent website workgroup, theyre janaka ccs meetings. 10:01:37 hardenedsteel's ccs wasnt mentioned at any meeting. None of the repo work has ever had any attention. 0 conversation about where new content will live in the short or long term 10:03:27 Who is a minimum committed to maintain current website? 10:04:17 Hardened, plowsof, myself 10:04:45 (mostly hardened and plowsof) 10:05:34 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/502 10:06:15 Should we create a new room, only for people that actually work and contribute positively? 10:06:24 No 10:07:28 this is the room, but since we have 2 ppl on ccs to "create a new workgroup", we've had 0 new contributors to the repo but a lot more noise :) 10:08:43 I think we just need to tune out the noise and keep working with ppl who contribute 10:09:10 I thought that the role of Diego and Monerobull is to organize this workgroup 10:09:36 It's quite a failure for now 10:09:41 no offence to either of them, but they have nothing to do with the workgroup 10:10:05 Absent on the repo, dont contribute outside of the new website (diego) and meetings (mb) 10:11:06 So the CCS is just used to send money between friends and Monero is a big joke? 10:11:43 I hope it's more than that 10:12:20 So sad 10:12:46 Ofrn up voting this after receiving +300k in CCS funding is crazy 10:13:12 ? 10:13:15 If that's what you think and you let that fat ass regurgitated horseshit get in your brain, yeah. 10:13:19 Dont deflect 10:13:34 I'll catch you redesigning FIRO or a monero fork website soon. 10:13:39 rottenwheel: Why are you so violent? 10:13:58 Ofrn receiving any funds through a CCS is insane. But we know how luigi1111 deals. 10:14:10 My brother in Christ, have you not read ofrn's nonsense? 10:14:12 I didnt make 300k, 90% of that is still with luigi 10:14:33 Guy's as unhinged as they come. 10:14:35 Dumbass i have nearly 50commits and launched docs.getmonero.org 10:14:49 Also co authored on hackerones and stressnet prs 10:15:04 He must be saying all sorts of slurs and stuck in the I wrote your response ten years ago urr durr still. 😂 Yelling to a wall. 10:15:32 Remember Bitcoin getting rid of the Bitcoin Foundation? 10:15:34 Rotten stopped contributing when his -site ccs was closed 10:15:43 Anyways, back on topic, backend is getting revamped. Deal with it. 10:15:53 Money corrupts everything 10:16:18 I don't care much about what happened to bitcoin haha. Not much is going to change. Luigi got the pot stolen and he's still the maintainer and he still runs the wallets. 10:16:23 Deal with it? Ive been onboard with revamp since before this "new workgroup" was larped into existence 10:16:31 Does that give you any social or consensus hope? 10:19:47 Luigi runs 1 wallet, ccs 10:20:34 And he still holds the wallet bcuz of filibusters 10:21:00 Ccs was down for 4 months bcuz "community" couldnt come to consensus 10:23:37 Eventually just yolo'd responsibility back to luigi - option c) do nothing, which is the same as what were doing now: option c) do nothing. 10:23:37 this is why we had a core team, to prevent indecision from blocking progress. 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