00:31:28 <geonic> for sure. what would be your best estimate for time/cost involved? more or less
00:57:05 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> We can pay in ❤️👍
02:59:35 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Well, it is much bigger than rotten's site. I don't know what your budget is but I would be fine with 2 XMR. I'd finish it in about a month or so
03:00:19 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> On and off as I am very busy. I need to find time to finish another task I have with rottenwheel and once I am done with that I can consider this
03:00:52 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Although why is there a demand to switch to Hugo? Also, wasn't there a CCS that redid the website and made it look different?
03:10:54 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> yeep
03:11:00 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> redesign
03:11:09 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Right. Was it not good?
03:11:36 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> but we like to make it more confusing and ask multiple people so nothing gets done
03:11:42 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> job securiity
03:11:51 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Hmm
03:12:31 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> janaka has a demo site and diego is playing with designs without a functioning demo site
03:12:33 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues/2140
03:12:48 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I can migrate old design and/or new design to hugo
03:13:00 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Of course additional designs will incur extra cost as it takes a really long time to do
03:13:38 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> first it was to move to a different backend and now its redesign
03:13:55 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> just needs to be easy for people to contribute
03:14:12 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Looks like "Astro" is the choice. Never heard of it
03:14:27 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> If that is the case then it would not make sense for me to help as I'm unfamiliar with Astro.
04:05:31 <geonic> a few XMR to migrate the current design to hugo is a screaming deal
04:40:20 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> You don't give up easily, do you?
04:43:22 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> you know how it is the loudest person gets heard
04:43:39 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> even if they are wrong
05:04:17 <geonic> give up on weighing pros and cons? I guess not
05:04:40 <geonic> what's Janaka charging for Astro?
05:14:59 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Different scope
05:56:51 <geonic> good that we have an alternative at least
08:02:47 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> I wish we had a CCS transparency report. I suppose they are a few millions or more. Monero is dying and you are scared to spend money. I think Monero should spend way more, in tech, in marketing, in everything.
08:04:07 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> And stop contracting with the same 5 people for 10 years FFS
08:07:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> https://kuno.anne.media/fundraiser/kaib/
08:08:00 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Why recan working for free? Didnt this cover?
08:11:08 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Hm I thought we already had a working base in Astro.
08:11:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Only for the redesign
08:11:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hammerman's design
08:12:31 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> That's not the design we decided to go with?
08:12:33 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not for current theme (jekyll) or diego's proposed (no demo)
08:12:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We decided to go in circles
08:13:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Were at "lets use old theme in astro" probably
08:14:12 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> If you decide to keep current, there's no need for Astro just port it to Hugo. If you need a more complex design, go with Astro.
08:15:10 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Old theme is simple enough, it will take shorter amount of time to port to Hugo and you don't need to implement markdown rendering/blog system like in Astro.
08:15:42 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Old theme is simple enough, it will take shorter amount of time to port to Hugo and you don't need to implement markdown rendering/blog system like you would in Astro.
08:18:28 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> A markdown rendering/blog system...
08:21:11 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> It's a no brainer really, perhaps get somebody who's more comfortable with Hugo to do it and it will be done in no time. Pulling in a JS framework like Astro and starting to manage this with NPM is overkill.
08:22:30 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> You are a web developer? You already worked with Astro?
08:23:38 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> I am a web developer. I work with Vite and Nuxt. I know enough to tell you that this is overkill if you decide to keep the old design.
08:25:38 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> I can agree with that, but I don't understand what you mean by "markdown rendering/blog system". This is provided by Astro.
08:27:26 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> Astro supports Markdown like Hugo
08:27:56 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> I know what you're talking about but you will need to implement a blog system https://docs.astro.build/en/guides/markdown-content/
08:28:18 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Supporting Markdown rendering is one thing
08:32:57 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> No this is built-in as well. You put your Markdown files in src/pages/posts/ and Astro will create pages for each blog posts
08:34:53 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> No it isn't. For example, one of the missing features that you will need to implement from scratch is taxonomy support. By author and by tags https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/blob/master/_posts/2024-08-20-monero-GUI-0.18.3.4-released.md?plain=1
08:34:55 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> By no means this is impossible to make, just why reinvent the wheel.
08:41:25 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> Right, you have to use Content Collections to define schemas for blog posts and authors.
08:41:27 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> It is maybe 30 minutes work to have everything working.
08:41:29 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> But yes, Hugo is probably enough.
08:47:33 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> I don't think this is an important point. What should be the most important point to choose the framework is the i18n and how it interfaces with the i18n tool (that has not been decided afaik)
08:50:44 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> Here is a good comparison between Hugo and Astro https://docs.astro.build/en/guides/migrate-to-astro/from-hugo/
08:52:44 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Why would i18n would be a problem when both Hugo and Astro have built-in support for it?
08:52:54 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Why would i18n be a problem when both Hugo and Astro have built-in support for it?
08:54:00 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> Yes
08:55:03 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> Because i18n is always a pain the ass
08:55:38 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> Also, it might be simpler to migrate to Hugo because of Astro Markdown limitations explained in the blog post above.
09:11:36 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> https://astro.build/
09:11:37 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Approved..google uses it
09:39:59 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> lool
09:41:29 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> dying - not true
09:41:31 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> spend more - depends, it is all donation money so you should spend it wisely to not end up like Mozilla
09:50:44 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> also monero is spending all it can to improve Monero (in tech) its not their job to support side projects/hobbies, marketing is kinda needed.
10:47:32 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> Monero is dying. 
10:47:33 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> In terms of price, if we get a bull market, as it seems to move now, people will move their money on coins that offer good returns. Only the most ideological people will stick to Monero, and get fucked. Some people will kill themselves out of despair. 
10:47:35 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> In terms of projects, this is ridiculous in comparison to other blockchains. 
10:47:37 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> In terms of community, I only see the same small accounts on X. Always the same content, most of the time not interesting.
10:47:39 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> In terms of governance, Monero is completly disfunctional, and an outright scam with zero transparency.
10:47:41 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> Maybe you think FCMP++ will bring momentum. Yes, maybe a bit, but not that much. People are more hyped by meme coins with a dog picture. You can fight that by investing your time on Monero, building useful projects. But don't invest your money. Don't be as dumb as me.
10:49:21 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Hmm
10:49:53 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Shooting self in foot
11:00:59 <plowsof> janaka by "CCS transparency" report do you mean general fund? just wondering 
11:03:49 <plowsof> price / hype / community on X don't really concern me to be honest 
11:04:19 <plowsof> i think you need to vent on reddit / xmrtrader with ratty , you will feel better lol
11:07:14 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Sounds like your looking for a job and not interested in monero
11:13:52 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i mean thats also fine, we could do a lie detector test like on Maury and ask people if they truly love monero
11:17:15 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Blood in, blood out
11:26:57 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> The issue is too many chiefs, not enough indians
11:28:18 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/502
11:29:47 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Mean!
11:30:05 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Is this the type of CCS coordinator we need!?
11:30:27 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> So unprofessional, first he downvotes my CCS proposal for asking what I consider is the right amount and now he dismisses a community member's opinion like that!
11:30:44 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I cannot be homeless and I must earn a living!
11:31:32 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Goodnews our issue count is https
11:31:33 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues
11:32:36 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> janaka: ignore the "community" and "governance" parts of XMR, because they are objectively the worst two and fubar.
11:32:58 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Price too lol.
11:33:14 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Pay attention to technicals, because the rest is short of pathetic.
11:36:29 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Janakas ccs has been hijacked for like, what, 5 months?
11:36:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If i was janaka, id be "wtfing" at this "process"
11:37:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hire 2 new ppl to manage my proposal, then talk in circles for months. Seems completely non-function, and from janaka's perspective i'd imagine it is intentially like this
11:37:49 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Submitted twice
11:38:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Janaka first started the implementation in _january_
11:38:30 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> First was closed because of the new hires
11:39:02 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Anyways can the hangout prs be merged ?
11:39:13 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> As soom as erc stepped down, csillia sent me a list of things that needed to be fixed oj website, the workgroup became much more active and janaka found consensus on the redesign and began work
11:39:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Janaka opened ccs, ccs has no opposition, ccs was closed pending 2 new managers
11:39:45 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Tbh it was before it got bloated here
11:39:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Now, months later, we are here
11:40:04 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Janka made a working demo
11:40:11 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Only one currently
11:40:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ill push the block explorers to docs and rereview the hangout olpr
11:40:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I had requested changes, not sure if they were made
11:40:55 <plowsof> hangouts: add monero town? seems to stall due to it not being accessible by tor? why dont we add monero town and the lemmy cafe and display the cafes onion link 🧅 too
11:41:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i NACK monero.town
11:41:30 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> More the matrix ones
11:41:50 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cafe can be used w/o tor. Post cafe for both tor and no for?
11:42:29 <plowsof> this one dan? https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2259 
11:42:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> mbll told me to pay the bill for town if i want tor - i said servers.guru offered to. Mbll previously said there was an issue with the UI crashing. Idk where that stands
11:43:03 <plowsof> display monero town and lemmy cafe on the same page, clearnet+onion for cafe?
11:43:37 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2259#issuecomment-2355823513
11:44:02 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof hold your horses right there, matey mate...
11:44:19 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Why is he always mixing stuff and misunderstanding... beans and toast...
11:44:39 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> NACK monero.town until mbll is willing to try to maintain it w/o simply shutting the doors
11:44:59 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Town is not accessible via Tor thanks to CF, not only that, but I can confirm 100% it has federation issues because .cafe cannot post in .town, at all.
11:45:03 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Reddit allows tor users to read
11:45:24 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Bull has adamently denied it, or doubled down on CF to no avail, that's why I've been living in my CF-free island.
11:45:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Town is less than niche at this point. No privacy using peoples can even read it
11:45:43 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> All that to say, cafe does not have a hidden service, it simply does not have a CDN (CF) set up that fucks with federation and tor connections.
11:45:56 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> If Germans weren't so stubborn...
11:46:14 <plowsof> ah cafe does not have a hidden service, that is my misunderstanding. simply not being behind cloudflare 
11:46:24 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Aye, aye. Uncucked.
11:46:46 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> as much as i personally _want_ monero.town to take off, its essentially dead to me.
11:46:53 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Even facebook and twitter allow tor
11:46:56 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Not only did he bring federation issues with other lemmy instances, he outlawed Tor users... anyways.
11:47:08 <plowsof> we should be sympathetic to monero bull for starting the service . dealing with / combatting ddos / keeping things online is work for a well paid team of sys admins
11:47:12 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Cloudflare users cannot host onion services ?
11:47:16 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> tf
11:47:26 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Sympathy doesnt allow users to read or post
11:47:28 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I don't know what the deal is, but there's always someone whining about that.
11:47:36 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I like sympathy. I'll give some to monerobull
11:47:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cloudflare has onion routing
11:47:57 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> then why can't monerobull make an onion service?
11:47:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I am so sympathetic that i offered free solutions
11:48:04 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof I wrote an entire thread where I was very grateful to them for starting that, and I was one of the first to sign up on the instance. However, 9 months in after this and no change, but just "what do you want me to do?" is annoying.
11:48:25 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> cap
11:48:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Even paid ones that dont involve cdn, like crunchbits charging like 25c/tb
11:48:30 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'll still say lemmy will continue to fail because the UI sucks
11:48:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Or servers.guru having unlimited plans and offering to foot the bill
11:48:48 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> ...since it's not Rust or Astro, right!? R i g h t ?
11:48:50 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> lol.
11:48:55 <plowsof> ok it seems we have exhausted the free labour and a bounty of sorts to 'fix' the issue is needed, problem is, what needs fixing. the laggy ui in tor (i don't know)
11:49:01 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lemmy is rust
11:49:05 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-onion-service/
11:49:07 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:monero.social> Exactly
11:49:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Fb even has an onion..
11:49:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not cap
11:49:42 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> twitter onion dead, can't browse twitter without acc
11:49:56 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thx elon musk
11:50:03 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof "I am nothing but thankful for /u/monerobull's initiative with monero.town, to the point I'd consider Lemmy a solid replacement to reddit. I hardly ever log into reddit, just to post Revuo issues every week and some meme here and there." https://l.opnxng.com/r/Monero/comments/1e3rmw5/new_cmonero_community_set_up_at/
11:50:05 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I use twitter via tor exclusively. doesnt block tor
11:50:08 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I guess you never read that lol.
11:50:09 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> never heard someone using FB onion. prpbably dead too or shadowbans accs
11:51:05 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Before we start counting chickens, the first step would be to check with Lemmy developers whether an .onion lemmy instance is feasible in the first place. Why would we be asking for something if we don't even know if it's possible or not?
11:51:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Someone posted a lemmy onion recently
11:51:31 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I didnt bookmark it tho
11:51:33 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> The hidden service has to run everything through .onion _and_ federate with both clearnet and .onion instances. Good luck.
11:51:45 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nihilist [blog.nowhere.moe]  maybe posted it, i dont remember
11:51:47 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> you created account when? and u used tor since then?
11:51:49 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Regardless, spare me with the cf bs, I'll hang at cafe.
11:51:53 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> also using tor browser?
11:51:55 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Hot take: A minecraft server would have more users and better community feeling.
11:52:04 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Is there one for monero support and now docs?
11:52:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ive had multiple accounts. One got banned and unbanned
11:52:15 <plowsof> monerobull should start a kuno to fund the work and get recanmann to do it for free
11:52:19 <plowsof> ha ha 
11:52:20 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> ....
11:52:35 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Bazinga
11:52:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No
11:52:56 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Yalla
11:53:10 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof come on man, we're killing the last 2 retards that still show up in here...
11:53:18 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> Yes
11:53:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Who is "we"? bootlicker
11:54:01 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> *What do you mean we?? Like nintendo Wii ?*
11:54:03 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Inclusive
11:54:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I me we, like oui
11:54:28 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> Fuck off
11:54:48 <plowsof> accessible via tor does not mean hidden service, that is my take away, thank you rottenwheel
11:55:03 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof Today you learned something new! Amazing!
11:55:19 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I thought that gray matter had long disappeared after so many shitty beans and toast...
11:55:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Uselesswheel
11:55:51 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof hidden service generally refers to the .onion URL, an actual set up mirror of a site, an actual site, so to speak.
11:56:12 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Accessible through Tor, on the other hand, means that if you attempt to connect to monero.town, you won't get hit by CF bitch ass, and blocked.
11:56:13 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> I’m just reading between the rant
11:56:28 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://libreddit.bus-hit.me/r/wii/comments/1ae8z07/kim_jong_un_is_a_wii_player/
11:56:55 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> epic thx for sharing
11:57:09 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> thx for staying offtopic everyone
11:57:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> should -support be hangouts, workgroups, both?
11:57:17 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> rofl
11:57:27 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof or when you are using a public Wi-Fi network at the park or restaurant, try to activate VPN or go on Tor and neither work: you cannot connect.
11:57:45 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Nioc plz confirm
11:57:48 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> rando all Monero channels and rooms are free-for-all cages, you should've learnt by now.
11:58:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rotte bahaves himself in rooms that i admin/moderate
11:58:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rotte behaves himself in rooms that i admin/moderate
11:58:55 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Dictator
11:59:10 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Buz my feet get erratic. Likely to kick like a donkey and hit a bootlicker by accident
11:59:16 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> But we have the decency to be shut our mouth when *professionals* are talking. So called *professionals* have two features:
11:59:17 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - They have a track record proving they are smarter than us
11:59:19 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - We never saw them joking.
11:59:36 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I have seen monero dorks joking around, ok?
11:59:37 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> #monero-research-lab:monero.social is probably the best example.
11:59:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rando, serious q, Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate) Backup
11:59:55 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> my day is ruined.
12:00:06 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Cum here bb, I'll cuddle you.
12:00:18 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ?????????????
12:00:20 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> rando is 1 message away from leaving the room.
12:00:24 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> what is -offtopic be used for then?
12:00:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Syn, spoon rotten k
12:00:50 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I asked about -support ..
12:00:51 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> multi-threading offtopic channel
12:00:53 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> On topic
12:00:58 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> About https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2259#issuecomment-2355823513
12:01:18 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ok i'll stop, work is important you may continue being productive
12:01:19 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Need to add docs and support, but where should support be added. Hangouts, workgroups, or both?
12:01:26 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Hangouts sound like a cafe
12:01:53 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Here, plowsof, I got live receipts:
12:01:55 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> still... it is either we close -offtopic and ask users to join support
12:01:57 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> users need to find support easily, soni think it should be both
12:01:59 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Same as dev i reckon
12:02:01 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But idk
12:02:03 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/kernal.eu/aZwfmrtDWtolziQHUXibkTIv
12:02:09 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> https://qu.ax/ZPcO.png
12:02:11 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Pwnd
12:02:24 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> lemmy.cafe on the other hand...
12:02:33 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/kernal.eu/hqLKmNZSLJKIIRaethayEkEo
12:02:39 <plowsof> ack thank you
12:02:50 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> https://qu.ax/rQaK.png
12:02:59 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Until it gets mass connections
12:03:17 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Then smoke appears
12:03:19 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> monero.town functions as a honeypot for your isp. My isp doesnt need to know what links i visit or when im active in a monero centric platform
12:03:21 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Please, send all your DDoS attacks to lemmy.cafe.
12:03:23 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> lol.
12:03:35 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> doesn't use CF
12:03:37 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I want to put that sysadmin to the test.
12:03:44 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> No shit Sherlock, really!!!?!?!?!?!?!?
12:04:01 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Use nginx 😬
12:04:05 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I have been saying that for 9 years and this asshat just says it again lmfao.
12:04:15 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Use nftables
12:04:31 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Ufw
12:04:39 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> The main reason I'm downvoting .town inclusion is CF, ya genius.
12:04:41 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> what you want then?
12:04:43 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> lol
12:04:50 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Ufw deny syn
12:04:56 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> bull said town facing attacks
12:04:59 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I already got what I want: uncucked lemmy.
12:05:08 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> cafe, if faced DDos what it will do?
12:05:19 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Ask the sysadmin, do I look like I run it?
12:05:23 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> They wont die on the hill
12:05:40 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> then stfu? lol
12:05:41 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I'll make you stfu. Bye!
12:05:44 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I guess as normal human beings you cannot be simplistic and just include monerobull .town instance with a simple Cloudflare warning on the side.
12:05:53 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Kiwifarm was using cloudflare
12:05:57 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> you can use bunnycdn but you are shifting the problem
12:06:02 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> /ignore all
12:06:04 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> now basedflare
12:06:12 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Kiwiflare*
12:06:35 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> And completely ignore the fact you are not letting in any Tor users?
12:06:37 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> `DDoS ******** by Kiwiflare`
12:06:45 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just add a warning
12:06:47 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> modified a bit, real ones use https://github.com/onionltd/EndGame
12:06:49 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> In a so-called privacy-centric cryptocurrency project hangout platform?
12:07:01 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > This instance is hosted through Cloudflare system and is inaccessible for Tor users
12:07:09 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> @ofrnxmr ^
12:07:11 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > This instance is hosted through Cloudflare system and is inaccessible for Tor users. You may consider another instance.
12:07:13 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Cool, suggest the change to hardenedsteel's PR and have it merged! Just don't count on my vote for that.
12:07:40 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Like a light wallet warning
12:07:49 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Help yourself, be the change you want to see in the world. https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2351
12:11:03 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> SyntheticBird it is over https://github.com/lizthegrey/tor-fetcher
12:11:16 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> >Like curl, but for fetching .onion URLs that require "haproxy-protection"/"BasedFlare" PoW completion before access is granted.
12:11:23 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> tool in Go too
12:11:36 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Go aliens are everywhere
12:11:45 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Gotta RIIR
12:19:39 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> actually it might be https://github.com/C0nw0nk/Nginx-Lua-Anti-DDoS iirc, you in most ret* room kyun, they are aware of the latest changes SyntheticBird
12:43:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> SyntheticBird  its not just that its hosted on CF, its that mb has CF's firewall set to block tor exit nodes. According to rotten, it has federation issues as a result, not just accessibility
12:43:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Re: your comment on GH
12:44:31 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ppl using .town over clearnet arent able to see posts from instances that it isnt federating with
12:45:10 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> pretty much an echo chamber for ppl who dont use tor.
12:56:09 <nioCat> dan bob, what did I miss?
12:56:47 <nioCat> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lemmy is rust <<>> so it is perfect, good to know
12:56:55 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Were trying to decide
12:57:06 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Should monero-support be on hangouts, or on workgroups, or both
12:57:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Or neither, and be on a "help me" page
12:57:46 <nioCat> well it is for help so.....
12:58:45 <nioCat> need to go out and take care of cat2
12:59:21 <nioCat> Cat mentioned that she is willing to help with the town issue but doesn't know what to do 
13:00:31 <plowsof> workgroup can be justified because the channel has a specific purpose in mind - helping people or all abilities to interact with Monero 
13:07:55 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont want ppl going to hangouts, and then coming to #monero to ask for support
13:08:10 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats why i thought "maybe both?"
13:09:45 <plowsof> #monero is for everything and help , and they can be directed toward the specific workgroup from there
13:09:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Still need to do: mrl lounge, community dev, docs, move/rm hardware, rm taiga,
13:15:48 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Where is devs?
13:16:13 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Workgroups
13:18:18 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Similar as technical
13:19:11 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Put warning, “Make sure your running the latest version”
13:19:34 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Or plowsof will hunt you down
14:04:11 <nioCat> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats why i thought "maybe both?" <<>> while I was out I had that thought.  I imagine that people having support issues might well go to the site first and help should be listed so that it is easy to see but that should not preclude it getting listed in workgroups.  =
14:04:15 <nioCat>  it is not unusual to have something listed in 2 different locations on a site 
14:04:29 <nioCat> do we have a site map?
14:33:30 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> We had one a couple of years back.
14:33:56 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> which version? modded? how did it go?
14:37:08 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Don't recall. The "latest" in 2020? Some people played it for a while then nobody played on it after a while.
14:37:22 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh
14:38:28 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Ye
14:38:57 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I was never too much of a gamer but I joined for a while. Was fun hanging with people.
14:49:23 <nioCat> yes we have a site map but it is useless  lol
14:50:22 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> monero.social is slow af today
14:50:32 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I have to wait 10 seconds before my message are sent
14:50:36 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sometimes get disconnected
14:51:05 <nioCat> IRC is working just fine
14:52:52 <nioCat> https://www.getmonero.org/sitemap.xml
14:52:56 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> IRC don't permit me to show my beautiful profile picture
15:05:08 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Never use any service maintained or paid by core.
15:05:24 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Gasp! Here comes the permaban. 😂
16:05:42 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I don't know what happened to those funds, but I haven't received anything for my work (nor do I expect to). I did it voluntarily after seeing Digilol's quote
16:07:01 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Also I looked into Astro and it is a whole web framework... getmonero.org is a static site, no?
16:07:25 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Oh I see that Siren said that same thing
16:10:09 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Reimplementing blog system etc. is a waste of time. Hugo is much smaller (literally, ~90mb a few hundred mb) and already supports these things natively because it is a static site generator
16:18:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Isnt astro a SSG as well?
16:19:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> SyntheticBird  Diego Salazar
16:19:32 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It is an SSG by default yes
16:19:48 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I would not want to add that attack surface tbh
16:19:50 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It is a SSG by default yes
16:20:16 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what attack surface?
16:20:24 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Running a nodejs server...
16:20:29 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what
16:20:31 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you don't
16:20:41 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Oh. Can you explain further?
16:21:54 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it's a SSG. It output html/css files you can host it with whatever you want. I generally host them with simple-http-server (written in rust), you use nginx or whatever software that deliver files over urls really.
16:21:55 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You run a nodejs server in SSR mode (server side rendering), in which there is logic executed on each page request, but we don't care about this.
16:22:09 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it's a SSG. It output html/css files you can host it with whatever you want. I generally host them with simple-http-server (written in rust), you can use nginx or whatever software that deliver files over urls really.
16:22:09 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You run a nodejs server in SSR mode (server side rendering), in which there is logic executed on each page request, but we don't care about this.
16:22:13 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Ah, ok. SSG is static site generator. Didn't catch that
16:22:21 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> np
16:23:21 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Well I'm not sure, I guess a vote is necessary to decide
16:24:08 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I've only used Hugo and I think it would be the right tool for the job. Not sure how many people prefer Astro
16:24:57 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I agree. Let's for once make a real vote, by keeping track in a shared state
16:25:12 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> enough of voting in channel and people complaining they weren't there.
16:25:15 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Diego Salazar:
16:25:17 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I guess at the next meeting
16:25:26 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I assume there are meetings for this workgroup?
16:25:34 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Oh, looked it up, yes
16:25:35 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think some people will not be there even next meeting.
16:25:44 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and then will complain
16:25:49 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and then will complain a decision has been taken
16:26:02 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> there should be a 3~4 days windo for voting
16:26:04 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> there should be a 3~4 days window for voting
16:26:10 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Okay
16:26:39 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> So is it 1. migrate to hugo, 2. migrate to Astro
16:26:41 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Or any other options?
16:26:43 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> The quote wasn't abnormal, I see it being mentioned here a lot. A week worth of work is not gonna be 50 euros.
16:27:05 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Yes, I agree. Nothing against you or Digilol, but I had the time
16:27:19 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> So wanted to save money for an acquaintance of mine, I guess
16:27:21 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Afaik all people have polarized around this two choices yes.
16:30:27 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> https://strawpoll.com/BDyNz92D8yR
16:30:47 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Site requires javascript, if you don't want to run the JS and want to vote, you can let me know and I'll cast it for you
16:31:42 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr: ofrnxmr Diego Salazar hardenedsteel janaka
16:32:10 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> geonic
16:42:09 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> https://strawpoll.com/BDyNz92D8yR/results for seeing the result
16:43:16 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Hey jerk plowsof plowsof do you ever read my mentions on GitHub? https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1073
16:44:05 <plowsof> i wouldnt want to steal work hours from monerobull 
16:44:12 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Lmfao, bull closed the other one with 0 logs... (I had also mentioned you in there...) https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1049
16:44:32 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof I am this close... I repeat, this close... to creating my own website workgroup issues myself.
16:44:33 <plowsof> that would be rude 
16:44:39 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Tired of nudging bull to no end.
16:44:49 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> DO IT ROTTEN
16:44:51 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> DO IT
16:44:53 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Grateful blablabla, guy is radio silent.
16:45:17 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Disappointing website workgroup "lead".
16:45:40 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> ngl I vouch for plowsof to manage all community, need to be rewritten in Rust and increase pay
16:45:41 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> This fucking issue was up for like 3 meetings, none of those logs were ever posted. And I pinged him at least twice.
16:45:50 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Ridiculous.
16:45:53 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> he's more active and hard working than other new hired people
16:46:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We jsut did 😭
16:46:12 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> And then I tag the other fool and he doesn't even acknowledge my request lol.
16:46:30 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof have last meeting logs posted when you can, thanks.
16:46:33 <plowsof> plowsof has a few alts, the one logged in as him yesterday that hasnt done anything for 2 years needs to be fired 
16:46:46 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Maybe close that shitty issue and I volunteer as tribute to at least maintain issues properly.
16:47:00 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh. sorry I didn't meant to bring back (short) memories
16:47:03 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Option 3 needs to he IDC
16:47:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Option 3 needs to be IDC
16:47:13 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> english?
16:47:17 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> train a model and let it go!
16:47:30 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Okay
16:47:35 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> now i get why you want moo to work on every channels
16:47:54 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Changed it
16:48:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 0 abstain
16:48:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 1 jekyll (no migration)
16:48:13 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 2. Hugo
16:48:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 3. Astro
16:48:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 4. IDC (2 or 3)
16:48:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Most ppl voted 4 or 3
16:48:25 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Context: https://matrix.to/#/!zPLCnZSsyeFFxUiqUZ:monero.social/$oUDC8jgIFmRkbMUAsDn3DNgm5m9K86OlewiP-QLya9Q?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=kernal.eu
16:49:37 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Voted
16:50:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Do it
16:51:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> +1
16:51:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Don't threaten diego with a good time
16:52:08 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> `*5 minutes later, on a new rotten issue*` "plowsof, please upload logs for me" - rotten
16:52:33 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Plowsof is our centralized backend
16:52:37 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> All roads lead to plowsof
16:52:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Even moneroworld and xmr-tw
16:55:39 <plowsof> lol
16:58:48 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Not having logs posted as it's norm for all meetings allows for certain characters to claim consensus wasn't reached and so we end up with 4 meetings talking in circles because of such characters.
16:59:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So post the post
16:59:05 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> But I have an outburst asking for it and I'm the evil party in the equation!
16:59:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You dont need permission
16:59:19 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So post the logs
16:59:28 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> There are 2 direct website workgroup 'associates' on pay roll and they both let it happen.
17:11:47 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> why is "Min. firmware version" mentioned on https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/ ?
17:12:03 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> for hardware wallets?
17:12:05 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Probably
17:12:07 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> for hardware wallets
17:13:54 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> what is the point of mentioning them? user should be running the latest version
17:14:39 <geonic> "Monero is dying and you are scared to spend money." <== I'd like to see some proof of that
17:16:33 <plowsof> because the @monero account says we're excited all the time, its over
17:16:58 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Because the latest isnt always the best
17:17:05 <geonic> <c​hch3003:monero.social> In terms of governance, Monero is [...] ]an outright scam with zero transparency.  <== ouch
17:17:19 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> some ppl dont want ledger recovery
17:18:16 <geonic> @plowsof> monerobull should start a kuno to fund the work and get recanmann to do it for free <=== or he just gives 10% of his CCS loot to recanman and we're done :)
17:18:53 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> I don't know much about HW wallets but if they have major vulnerbilites which most does, upgrading is not an option
17:18:57 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> If website does not have the budget I can do it for free but it would take much longer
17:19:00 <geonic> <s​iren:kernal.eu> If you decide to keep current, there's no need for Astro just port it to Hugo. If you need a more complex design, go with Astro.
17:19:03 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> user have to update
17:19:07 <geonic> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Old theme is simple enough, it will take shorter amount of time to port to Hugo and you don't need to implement markdown rendering/blog system like in Astro.
17:19:09 <geonic> someone pin this
17:19:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> recan, there is 35xmr/mth already spent on this
17:19:38 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Oh, wow
17:19:48 <geonic> no, shouldn't be for free. we have 2 workgroup coordinators getting paid
17:20:18 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> thanks you are cool
17:20:19 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> cc plowsof homie deserve a couple of XMR if we decided on a SSG to use and he can do it.
17:20:30 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> yeah, i'm not asking recan to do anyhing for free
17:20:47 <geonic> and ofrn is getting paid 10xmr/hr to shitpost
17:20:53 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> it was a whole redesign, which we are not doing rn at least
17:21:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> rotten raises 6.5xmr for his migration, recan does it for free. Ccs raises 100xmr for workgroup/ recan does it for free? Nah
17:21:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If i was getting 10xmr/hr, i'd be rich
17:22:08 <geonic> monerobull: how will you handle this matter as workgroup leader? :)
17:22:17 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> you stopped doing ponzi schemes?
17:22:28 <geonic> monero is a scam guys, go home
17:22:55 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Ehhh, don't get in here while those other two are present for your own sanity...
17:23:05 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> no, i have another movie coming out soon. Its about monero ponzi scams
17:23:18 <geonic> should do a ccs for that, I'd upvote
17:23:47 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> recanman address plz
17:23:56 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> What?
17:23:59 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Monero address?
17:24:06 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Monero address
17:24:11 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> 😄 Okay
17:24:15 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Was confused for a moment
17:24:26 <geonic> a leader amongst us has emerged
17:24:30 <geonic> :p
17:24:39 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> you following up
17:24:41 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> ?
17:24:48 <geonic> diego paying recan
17:24:55 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Who's bill is getting paid?
17:25:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm confused
17:25:23 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> me too
17:25:45 <geonic> itshappening.gif
17:26:54 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Paying for what?
17:26:57 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I haven't done any work yet
17:27:14 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> For you to make the current site in Hugo.
17:27:34 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Wait, but I haven't started? Shouldn't payment be after?
17:27:40 <geonic> you're too honest. act like you're part of a scam ffs
17:28:09 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> 2 XMR now, 2 XMR upon completion.
17:28:12 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm not saying it WILL go live.
17:28:27 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> But at this price it is worth my time to pay you to do it so I can see and play with it.
17:28:27 <geonic> 👏
17:28:53 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> If anyone wants to do Astro for a similar price, let me know.
17:28:55 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I don't agree with your thought process but I have sent you my address
17:29:40 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Send again plz. It just says encrypted message cuz I joined the room after and matrix is stupid
17:29:50 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Oh nvm there it is.
17:30:35 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> a4723769265916536cc618d2647af19d7afac07f8b6c58d8cae6c213d13ce8d1
17:30:43 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Make plz and thx
17:31:00 <geonic> gj diego
17:31:17 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> wot is that? should start with either 4 or 8
17:31:25 <geonic> tx proof
17:31:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its a txid
17:31:30 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Mr nocoiner
17:31:33 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> oh lol
17:32:10 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Terms:
17:32:11 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> 1. It's FOSS on a git so I can fork and play with it.
17:32:13 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> 2. Get it done ASAP but at a pace where you don't burn out.
17:32:15 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> 3. Last 2 XMR paid upon full delivery with all functionality of current site.
17:32:39 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> 4. I'm happy to play with works in progress so you can put on git earlier, but not a hard requirement.
17:34:06 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Any specific license?
17:34:15 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Or same as monero-site
17:34:27 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> BSD-3 is "official" monero license.
17:34:36 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> It's what luigi1111 and others used to like most, fwiw.
17:34:48 <geonic> something where we can resell it to firo and not get in trouble
17:34:50 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I think that's what monero is licensed under, or that was something else.
17:35:24 <geonic> (I kid, I kid)
17:35:24 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> BSD-3 is fine
17:36:07 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> You can retain all copyright, I don't care.
17:36:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Content is cc4.0
17:47:03 <nioCat> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> and matrix is stupid <<>> IRC is working fine 
17:47:13 <nioCat> @seen monerobull 
19:20:52 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> Ok so you decided to 4 XMR for a website with Hugo
19:21:09 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> I wish you all the best
19:21:24 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> Ciao
19:21:41 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> Ok so you decided to pay 4 XMR for a website with Hugo
19:22:37 <plowsof> who has decided what 
19:23:10 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Diego paid recannman 2xmr now, 2 later to migrate the current site to hugo
19:24:06 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> No Janaka. Hold your horses.
19:24:16 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm still generally on the side of Astro.
19:24:31 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> ... then why pay me? Site should look the exact same
19:24:33 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I, personally, paid a guy to do some work.
19:24:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i'm on the side of "please do your current design in a light mode" @diego
19:25:23 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Because the price is good enough that it's worth my time to see what a Hugo version looks like under the hood. So i invest my own money to see it.
19:25:36 <plowsof> thank you Diego 
19:25:50 <plowsof> a sponsored design competition entry if you will?
19:26:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Same design
19:26:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> just a 1:1 migration of current website from jekyll to hugo
19:26:47 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> But Hugo will work. It's even a better choice regarding the Markdown. Will be easier than porting it to work with Astro.
19:26:58 <plowsof> ok understood 
19:27:14 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> We don't need endless debate
19:27:29 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Which would, i assume, fit the "light mode, use old design, fix jekyll issues" and invalidate janakas ccs which was "create new website in jekyll"
19:27:35 <plowsof> now lets contribute to site and apply for paid contribution roles 
19:27:55 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Which would, i assume, fit the "light mode, use old design, fix jekyll issues" and invalidate janakas ccs which was "create new website in astro**"
19:28:05 <plowsof> recanmann do you have an ETA / your availability to complete the task? or don't you have an idea yet
19:28:20 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> The only thing you can screw up is the CSS if you really suck
19:28:25 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Haven't taken a look at it yet, I will estimate 3 weeks or so
19:28:36 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Although if it is really desired I can prioritize it
19:28:41 <plowsof> finally we have some talented slave labour 
19:29:06 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It was only slave labor b4 diego sent the bread
19:29:15 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I agree, hence why i took this step here. If the fact that a Hugo version is being worked on makes you want to retract your CCS for the astro work rather than wait in limbo, then I understand.
19:29:35 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm doubling the requested money. Might be nice. :)
19:29:39 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He did rotten's work for free, and offered to do getmonero for free too 😭
19:29:46 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> Yes I will retract my CCS
19:29:53 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Yes, right. I'll try my best
19:30:19 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Monero provides me utility and therefore I'll help others in the result that it will improve the community
19:30:21 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I see.  This is very regrettable, and I'm sorry it's come to this.
19:30:28 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Monero provides me utility and therefore I'll help others in the (hopeful) result that it will improve the community
19:30:31 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 😭 so were stuck with old design in hugo. Rip
19:30:58 <m-relay> <c​hch3003:monero.social> It was an interesting experience for me nevertheless
19:31:08 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> A fresh start was so much more refreshing
19:31:21 <plowsof> you're not allowed to say goodbye janaka sorry 
19:31:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "interesting" choice of words, janaka :)
19:31:30 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> chad
19:31:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> s/chad/scammee
19:32:11 <geonic> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Monero provides me utility and therefore I'll help others in the result that it will improve the community <== ideologically aligned slave labor at that
19:32:23 <geonic> 🙏
19:32:48 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> doing volunteer work is nice, until you find out that ppl are being paid to for your volunteer work
19:33:06 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> blame plow
19:33:17 <geonic> right. which is what happened when we found out Diego is getting paid out of the GF and larping as a volunteer
19:33:40 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> we should bargain more
19:33:40 <geonic> the loss of innocence
19:33:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Plow, take blame plz
19:34:02 <plowsof> it is my fault 
19:34:08 <geonic> 100 whips
19:34:41 <geonic> you must compute 100 randomx hashes by hand
19:34:50 <plowsof> 😭
19:34:54 <geonic> (good one rotten)
19:36:35 <geonic> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> doing volunteer work is nice, until you find out that ppl are being paid to for your volunteer work <== this is also the problem with paying a translations coordinator but not the translators. dumb policy
19:37:06 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> +1
19:38:28 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> pay experienced translators 🧠
19:39:09 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> coordinator better be volunteer work or pay per words reviewed
19:39:29 <geonic> yes, pay them to own a certain language. no coordinator needed once we have a good person
19:39:40 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> the latter is how they are actually paid
19:39:56 <geonic> anhdres offered to do Spanish
19:39:58 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> also translators
19:41:14 <geonic> the coordinator probably won't speak all the languages being translated so... we would just need to pay a reviewer or second translator if we want it checked.
19:41:14 <geonic> or we could have an easy way to report a wrong translation so the users will do the job for us.
19:43:14 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> Weblate have a comment section
19:43:30 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> also we have a dead translation matrix room so you can discuss issues etc
19:44:55 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> geonic: in this day and age we don't need to pay, just pass it through chatgpt/duckai whatever.
19:45:15 <geonic> for the original translation or the reviews?
19:45:19 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Translations to the monero website are a tragedy.
19:45:50 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> geonic: preferably to review
19:46:23 <geonic> + it could be used to speed up translations immensely
19:46:40 <geonic> maybe just do the translation via chatgpt and have a human then review it
19:46:54 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Weblate has openai intergration
19:46:57 <geonic> idunno, either way it could be useful yeah
19:47:03 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> It sucks that they don't accept PRs and the translation on weblate sit unmerged
19:48:23 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Whoever is coordinating that part, AI should take their job, literally
19:48:29 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> lol, you can't use chatgpt at all to review translations, it is like using it for finding security vulnerbilities in your code
19:50:19 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Disagree, works like a charm for Lithuanian and Turkic languages that I speak.
19:50:21 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Tight ass
19:50:31 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Works 90% of time for arabic as well
19:50:36 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Used it to translate localmonero
19:50:40 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Yalla
19:51:31 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> Luigi 2 month ago on the website CCS proposal: "Closing in favor of constructing a functioning website workgroup". Boy, did that work out.
19:52:20 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Ahahah your funny
19:52:36 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Rb anymore jokes?
19:53:29 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> you speak arabic?
19:53:36 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> yes
19:53:45 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> cool
19:54:00 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 😭😭
19:54:09 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> Yalla = Go
19:54:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> The website workgroup was functional before, tbh
19:54:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> It was only missing an active maintainer
19:54:39 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> For about 1 or 2 meetings?
19:54:41 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> generally it means 'let's go' rather than 'go'
19:54:43 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> it doesn't btw
19:54:48 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> true
19:55:06 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> The docs site in a couple of months has since website workgroup has been created:
19:55:07 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> 1. Been published and updated
19:55:09 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> 2. Weblate setup
19:55:11 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> 3. Weblink testing
19:55:13 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> 3. Dark mode
19:55:15 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> When I translated localmonero a couple years ago it auto-wrote the arabic translations, then I went through and corrected them
19:55:22 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Maybe it wasn't the openai integration. It was called 'machine translation'
19:55:23 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> It works for this too tho lol
19:55:35 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> we should have listened to luigi1111 from the start, please forgive us
19:55:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> no, we shouldnt have
19:55:49 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> yes, machine translation terrible, I improved LM website translations but it was too late rip
19:56:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> We should have never indulge this "new" workgroup
19:56:16 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> so people paying for security audits are getting scammed?
19:56:23 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> its just noisier now and less getting done
19:56:37 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> To many manager nodes, not enough cloudflare works
19:56:45 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> No, audits arent "find a vuln in this section of code"
19:57:09 <geonic> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> When I translated localmonero a couple years ago it auto-wrote the arabic translations, then I went through and corrected them <== that's probably the most efficient way to do it
19:57:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Show it a section of code that youve found an issue with and ask it "is there anything to worry about here" and it will tell you about your vuln
19:57:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Which means ai can exploit your shit if you dont check it
19:58:20 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> LGTM mate 80% of the time
19:58:27 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> From now on, if I don't like how something goes in Monero, I will immediately start to think how I could strategically offer 4 XMR to derail everything and get my will.
19:58:37 <plowsof> lol
19:58:57 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> that is why former head of NSA joins OpenAI board
19:59:03 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> joined*
19:59:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Probably
19:59:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> And why github has AI integrated
20:00:05 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> You have cotten on how it works here
20:00:34 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> Everyday learning something new. Some days more amazing things than on other days :)
20:00:55 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> You know to much
20:01:05 <plowsof> weblate has machine translations built in. there is a 'not free api token' situation going on though
20:01:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Dan, what was the free TL website
20:01:26 <plowsof> a machine translation suggestion can be shown the the translator for example
20:01:27 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> recanman https://github.com/cake-tech/cake_wallet/pull/714/files can you rate it?
20:01:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Libretranslate or smthn?
20:01:38 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Yeah
20:01:52 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> and does it look like a machine translation or not
20:01:53 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Brave seach it
20:01:55 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> the whole thing?
20:02:03 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> You might get the answer
20:02:07 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> eye scan quickly
20:02:08 <plowsof> accidentally the whole thing?
20:02:10 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> 2 min
20:02:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> For free plz
20:02:32 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I'll take a look at it later, I'm quite busy now
20:03:03 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> btw it is already merged & not my translation
20:03:12 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> because it is mostly machine translation
20:03:36 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Whoa wut
20:04:16 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> oh and there's a FOSS Arabic community if you would like to hear about it
20:04:18 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Eh, not really interested
20:05:08 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> Diego Salazar: I don't think that was your intention, I don't accuse you of that. But the result was ... nevertheless just about this: The whole process derailed, or settled into a particular outcome if you like.
20:05:27 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> I really didn't think that possible.
20:06:06 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> ...
20:07:20 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> truly at a loss for words here
20:07:24 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> yes it was not meaning to derail anything, a personal donation from Diego to reward a contribution to the situation.. to someone who had publicly completed the conversion of a jekyll project (revuo) near and dear to Diegos heart
20:07:48 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> for free^
20:07:57 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> https://www.figma.com/community/plugin/1053050985172660071/weblate-integration
20:07:59 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Winrar?
20:08:20 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> do nothing, people mad. Do something, "railroading". Pay a guy to do something to see options so we can make a decision, derail process.
20:09:19 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> plowsof why can't we pay weblate for strings hosting? then figure out migaration later if needed?
20:09:21 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> to be on hosted.weblate.org
20:09:23 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Sounds a mastercard ad
20:09:27 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> worked well for tor project and simplex chat
20:09:52 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Or fix current weblate
20:10:08 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> well, diego should pay syn for that
20:10:12 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Pay dan in chocolates
20:10:26 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> magic
20:10:33 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Grants ™️
20:11:39 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> A very striking example of unintended consequences.
20:12:04 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> lmao
20:12:19 <nioCat> while I was out Cat killed a mouse.  What have you guys done in that time?
20:13:08 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> no good deed goes unpunished Diego Salazar
20:13:15 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Played solitare multiplayer
20:13:24 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm speechless, dude.
20:13:34 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> ?
20:13:56 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Where broke
20:14:00 <nioCat> maybe some reassuring words should have been used instead of .... <d​iego:cypherstack.com>  If the fact that a Hugo version is being worked on makes you want to retract your CCS for the astro work rather than wait in limbo, then I understand.
20:14:06 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Over budget this financial year
20:14:25 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Btw hi nioc :)
20:14:40 <nioCat> hi, Cat wants my pizza
20:14:59 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Fight back!
20:15:12 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> if we're starting over from translations, or rather, beginning with what we have on the -site repo / abandonning the translations submitted which are in limbo, getting weblate back online would surely straightforward
20:15:31 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Brb
20:16:20 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I said that if anyone wanted to do the same for Astro for a similar price, let me know
20:16:57 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I said I still leaned toward Astro, but the price was good enough for me to pay for it myself just so I can see it in action.
20:17:13 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I'm migrating translations
20:17:23 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Just a matter of copy/pasting yaml file, no issue
20:17:58 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> po/pot files right?
20:18:03 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> They are just .yaml files
20:18:06 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/blob/601b25b57744c382a051f0d24cb6f40bb53e48cd/_i18n/en.yml
20:18:46 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> selfhosted?
20:19:01 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Docs is
20:19:11 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Coolify even has it as an app
20:19:17 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> rec stealing everyone's job
20:19:20 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> the .yml files are the "fun" ones.  po/pot ... making po4a work with the uhm
20:19:30 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> For free
20:19:45 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> monero CEO in 2 years or less
20:19:51 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> He will pay us soon
20:20:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ofrn still wants to see diego's redesign in light mode 📢📣
20:20:44 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Fast tracked
20:21:10 <nioCat> ofrn, first I heard that request  :D
20:21:19 <nioCat> wen response
20:21:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 😭
20:21:47 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> So
20:21:49 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> 1. Convert to hugo temporary/permanent for free
20:21:51 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> 2. Talk about astro for 1 more year
20:21:53 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> 3. Stay on hugo
20:21:55 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> he's said it at every meeting
20:22:00 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Well?
20:22:07 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Niocat has heard it at every meeting
20:22:12 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> I would like a demo site!
20:22:18 <nioCat> yes but no response 
20:22:25 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Heard what
20:22:36 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> nvm
20:22:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> That ofrn wants to see diego's redesign in light mode
20:22:57 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> pretty beat down by all this, so I think I'm going to take a break
20:23:07 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Neva!
20:23:20 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Geonic success!!
20:23:33 <nioCat> we luv u, don't leave
20:23:35 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> literally, yes
20:23:53 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> btw simplifiedprivacy is now also asking to replace vost for making explanatory videos for 90% cheaper
20:24:10 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Also i asked in weblate for anwser on the weblate issue, to keep the train on the rails here
20:24:19 <plowsof> maybe relavant for you recanmann , a workflow i put together that builds/runs po4a https://github.com/plowsof/monero-site/blob/po4a-staged/.github/workflows/po4a.yml 
20:24:38 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> but I don't like his videos style tbh
20:24:56 <plowsof> po4a version is 'locked' because we have multiple keys in the moneropedia files https://github.com/jekyll/jekyll/issues/9618 
20:24:57 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> 127.0.0.1 sir
20:25:41 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/you-re-being-lied-to-tor-is-2-hops-not-3-simplified-privacy/16317
20:26:06 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/admin/backup.html
20:26:07 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Cant do this?
20:33:34 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> what are the arguments for choosing astro over hugo?
20:33:53 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Janaka preferred astro
20:34:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And janaka was the one doing the impl work
20:34:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Astro > hugo if we were doing a new design, was my opinion. If not a new design, it doesnt really matter. The easiest route that works
20:38:54 <luigi1111> Stop this PvP nonsense. Diego is the current website workgroup leader. If there is an unresolvable difference between a would be workgroup member and him, please see yourself out. I'll help if necessary. I'm not trying to make everyone happy. I'm trying to have a functioning workgroup.
20:39:14 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> https://berkaycubuk.com/blog/hugo-vs-astro/
20:40:10 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> I thought diego’s ccs was to help plowsof
20:40:25 <geonic> best if you sit this out your highness, workgroup is doing fine. your protege's ego will be bruised sometime and that's fine.
20:41:05 <luigi1111> No it's not fine.
20:41:42 <luigi1111> Consider this your only warning. If you're here to bruise egos instead of helping you will leave.
20:42:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What's PvP mean
20:43:09 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Pimp*?
20:43:26 <geonic> I'm not here to bruise egos and as you can see we're reaching conclusions as a group.
20:43:30 <luigi1111> Player vs player or person vs person 
20:43:44 <luigi1111> Geonic clearly not from what I'm reading from Diego 
20:43:53 <geonic> I can't help that he's fragile
20:44:03 <geonic> stop coddling him
20:44:09 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> > Astro allows developers to build components using frameworks like React, Vue, and Svelte but outputs static HTML, which results in faster load times and better performance.
20:44:11 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> is it for the people who dont know html? huh
20:45:30 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> The question is will the current worker bees use it?
20:45:51 <geonic> btw it was your decision to bring back someone controversial to lead a workgroup so I get why you're feeling protective of him
20:47:21 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I mean, you can call it fragile if you want, but I have better things to do with my time.
20:47:36 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> https://docs.astro.build/en/guides/migrate-to-astro/from-jekyll/
20:47:48 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Neg we pay you to suffer!
20:49:48 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> https://docs.astro.build/en/guides/migrate-to-astro/from-hugo/
20:49:49 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Has the differences
20:53:22 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I should have put that in my CCS description yeah
20:54:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Just ask plowsof. Suffering is #1 duty
20:54:59 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Plowsof likes whips tho
20:55:45 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Maybe diego does. I dont judge
20:55:55 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> @monerobull:monero.social can't you just setup onion address which would solve the cloudflare problem?
20:56:09 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Its the load mass
20:56:18 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> with PoW defense enabled
20:56:40 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> If there was a site clicker we would win
20:56:41 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> clearnet will be behind cloudflare, onion won't instead it will use PoW
20:57:44 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Tor artix is alpha still?
21:00:13 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> afaik yes
21:00:19 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> last time i checked*
21:00:30 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> https://forum.torproject.org/t/introducing-proof-of-work-defense-for-onion-services/8886
21:00:31 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Looks like its in 4.8.0 and turnned off by default
21:02:06 <geonic> when proven wrong, play the victim card. such a tiring job talking to a bunch of ppl on irc
21:03:19 <geonic> to diego's credit, at least he's able to change his mind when presented with new information
21:04:13 <geonic> hopefully he'll seek that information out next time and not have to be force fed
21:09:08 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> you have oh so rarely proven anything about anything. You torture any bit of agreement with you as to a crystal clear victory on your part, and it's exhausting
21:10:06 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> again, as an example, you keep bringing up 'I was right about light theme wasn't I?'. No. You weren't. Most people were "if it ain't broke, don't fix"
21:10:56 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> The people who actually bother to show up to the meetings are either neutral, or for a refresh on the design.
21:11:16 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> And yes, I do count the people here (even you) as having more of a voice/say than the randos on reddit
21:11:30 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Why cater to one
21:11:38 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Slows shit down
21:11:50 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Majority rules move on
21:13:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bcuz ofrn wants to see diego's redesign in light mode (‼️)
21:13:30 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> And i want a demo!!
21:13:46 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> demo of redesign, yeah?
21:13:53 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Yest
21:14:00 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Diego’s one
21:14:08 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Indeed. I played his game, and now we're back to no new design (which isn't a big issue in and of itself), down a funded contributor (as often happens), and other people upset that I tried to move things forward again by taking some initiative :P
21:14:16 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Janaka already has his/her/google
21:14:30 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i'm in the "aint broke dont fix", but still think we should have a better look at diego's
21:14:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> its not a huge change, its just updated imo
21:15:15 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> when will I learn indeed that geonic can win and 'prove' as many things as he wants in his own head?
21:15:21 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> unfortunately it's not that simple
21:15:26 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Website workgroup exploratory slush fund when?
21:15:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If light mode redesign doesnt look as appealing as aint broke dont fix, then so be it
21:15:50 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But were compating black pots to white pots right now, and thats racism
21:15:56 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> he's really good at torturing context until it squeals, and handing out the pitchforks to the masses
21:16:11 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> The issue from what i recall was
21:16:11 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> 1. Dark mode
21:16:13 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> 2. I8n
21:16:47 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> I have a wood fork does that count?
21:17:05 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> sustainability matters
21:17:09 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx its certain we're migrating to monero-docs right?
21:17:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ESG points
21:17:19 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> And will harden,plowsof,ofrn use astro?
21:17:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes
21:17:26 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Docs.getmonero.org is live
21:17:55 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Imagine. Remember two months ago when we said Astro, let's look at a few designs? I was working on one, and we had hammerman's. If his was chosen, great. Imagine how far we'd be in these two months?
21:18:03 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I have your xmrig guide on there in a draft pr
21:18:35 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> ok will update the site accordingly and add a notice about it
21:18:47 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> don't forget the i2p guide
21:18:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> rpc docs are live too
21:19:05 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Can redirect all contributions there
21:19:12 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Docs site on getmonero site pr?
21:19:34 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'll be migrating the open rpc prs as well
21:19:54 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> something like "we're migrating to docs.getmonero" and this page getting deprecated"
21:20:08 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Very soon™️
21:20:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its depreciated
21:20:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Very much appreciate if ppl dont open new prs to update the pages that have been migrated
21:21:23 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Regardless of how things have shaken out in the past, I guess. There is (if I may say so without accusation) a general path forward. :P
21:21:26 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> https://docs.getmonero.org/rpc-library/monerod-rpc/
21:21:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> example
21:21:29 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> That means we need prs to remove from getmonero.orgy?
21:21:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not remove, no
21:21:58 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Some ppl have bookmarks setup and will need to be redirected
21:22:07 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I am making the Figma of the current site, I will (a the request of people here), make a light version of the homepage of my design, and it seems Hugo is now the de facto way forward given Janaka has bowed out.
21:22:19 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Create blog post on orgy site
21:22:32 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Once again, since I saw Astro >= to Hugo, that isn't a major blow, so to speak.
21:22:33 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Hopefully they use rss and get the message
21:22:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I would very much like to see the light version
21:23:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And dan would like a dirty deployment of it, if not too much work
21:23:30 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> If we had gone back to reconsidering Jekyll I probably would be pretty miffed
21:23:31 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> No light for you
21:23:42 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> You work in the dark
21:23:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> jekyll ia the future
21:23:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We'll be there in 3months
21:23:58 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Ccs?
21:24:05 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> inb4 geonic 'wait wait, we never actually decided we'd move to Hugo'
21:24:56 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Sometimes you need a dictator
21:25:00 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We didnt decide anything
21:25:04 <nioCat> correct, we voted for astro
21:25:21 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> nioCat, we no longer have an Astro developer
21:25:24 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> To say stiff shit chiefs were going astro boy
21:25:34 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ofrn dictator says "show me the light redesign and then we can use astro with niocats approval after dan tries demo"
21:25:39 <nioCat> I thought we had several
21:25:48 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We have like 9 of them
21:26:02 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> We have pretenders
21:26:06 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Ok, can we have one step forward to implement the site then?
21:26:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Janaka, janaka, janaka, syn, syn, and rbrunner, plowsof, ofrn and half of rotten
21:26:17 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> if Astro should be chosen?
21:26:41 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> 9.5 admins?
21:26:46 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> need to see the proposed design first
21:27:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> astro for current website is a waste of time if were getting it done for 4xmr
21:27:07 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Can that design work on any platform?
21:27:27 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> 0xmr
21:27:29 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I hadn't made a mobile version yet because I hadn't finalized the design
21:27:36 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> heck, the DESKTOP wasn't finalized
21:27:45 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I deeply regret sharing the sneak preview, btw
21:28:00 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> As in it will work with hugo,astro, google docs….etc
21:28:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont
21:28:18 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> requested not to go on Revuo yet. It did. Requested for it not to go to community yet, it did.
21:28:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I appreciate that you changed it
21:28:23 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Literally said the hero and other things weren't final
21:28:29 <plowsof> -site has ruby script plugins and hugo is in go, is something going to automatically convert them to go
21:28:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> something = recan
21:28:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Automanually
21:29:11 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm not particularly sore about it, but my WIP was compared to hammerman's. And I would agree with the people that hammerman's was better because of course it was. It was a finished product compared to a pre-alpha WIP
21:29:26 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> This alone has muddied the waters a LOT
21:29:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hmmermans wasnt better
21:29:29 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Cause if the design works on any. The. The question is do we rm -rf website and start again or straight swap
21:29:34 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> and one of geonic's patented "decisive victories"
21:29:39 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It was just more of a breaking change
21:29:46 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Listen to ofrn
21:29:52 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> "it's clear nobody wants your design" blah blah blah etc etc
21:29:57 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Your design is closest to the current design
21:29:59 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> The real question
21:30:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It jist had obnoxious colors, hero, and circles
21:30:20 <geonic> huh?
21:30:27 <plowsof> geonic won, again :@
21:30:40 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> this has literally been part of the discussion. If we're already doing the work of switching backends, do we take this opportunity for a refresh as well?
21:30:45 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> To which a lot of people in this chat thought "sure, probably"
21:30:45 <geonic> diego I thought you had better things to do. why do I go away for 10 min to see myself mentioned by you 10 times
21:30:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Aside form that, looked very close to current and i think would be accepted by the "aint broke, dont fix" crowd
21:31:01 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> cooled off, back in the ring
21:31:04 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> You decide if the site needs re design then backend can change. If not go hugo to fix i8n
21:31:07 <geonic> hehe
21:31:14 <geonic> ok tell daddy not to intervene for you again because I'm being muzzled
21:31:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> RM -RF
21:31:29 <geonic> otherwise not a ring, it's diego's playground
21:31:50 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> true. I didn't ask him to come here on my behalf fwiw
21:31:51 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> We only do sandboxes here
21:32:00 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> For security reasons
21:32:02 <geonic> "and you should respect diego because I put him in charge of you!"
21:32:15 <geonic> fathers gonna be fathers
21:32:27 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> What's the current issue with i18n?
21:32:30 <geonic> maybe that's his way of making it up to you after firing you 3 years ago, who knows
21:32:36 <nioCat> respect should be given just because
21:32:44 <geonic> I want no part of it tbh
21:33:07 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> some content can be migrated. A lot of it can be straight up dropped due to being poor quality, outdated, or moving to docs repo
21:33:25 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Hi
21:33:33 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Respect is earned and lost all the same
21:33:50 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Respect my authority!
21:33:59 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Famous person once said
21:34:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> sgp?
21:34:27 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Cartman
21:34:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No. That was FAFO. My bad
21:34:58 <geonic> yes and, in the eyes of many, diego lost it irredeemably by sucking 330k off the GF behind community's back
21:35:10 <geonic> so I have a hard time as perceiving him as anything other than a mercenary
21:35:33 <geonic> (although mercenaries can be useful too)
21:35:56 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Mercenary vs grandmaster of the peanut gallery
21:36:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Dont hate the player or the game.. hate the referee 👌
21:37:12 <geonic> ha
21:37:21 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Red card sir
21:37:26 <nioCat> where is monerobull's finger?
21:37:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> On the pulse
21:37:56 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> thump thump
21:38:19 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Dangerous question
21:38:41 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Either way, our chaotic impromptu meeting in which many happenings happened more or less ended with the summary above, but I will reiterate because geonic wasn't around when I summarized so it literally didn't happen.
21:39:00 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Since its just a homepage, can we get your redesign deployed in hugo AND astro?
21:39:12 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> I thought mbll will post meeting summary?
21:39:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Plowsof posted it
21:39:32 <plowsof> theres still a chance to grab the others 
21:39:37 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Log* not summary tho
21:39:41 <plowsof> stolen valour 
21:39:46 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> 1. A version of Hugo is being worked on. Progress! Same as live design.
21:39:47 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> 2. Diego will make a light mode version of his design's homepage
21:39:49 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> 3. Diego is finishing the figma version of the current live Monero website design (all pages), at which point I'll probably do it in PenPot too so non-Figma people can play with it.
21:39:51 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> How did they decipher it
21:40:39 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> 4. The Hugo vs Astro thing was never meant to be resolved today by my offer to recanman. It was not trying to be a definitive move. But unless we have a person come forward and own the 'development' part, it may end up being so.
21:40:44 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Ima go back to nixpacks
21:40:58 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I've never had my name mentioned so much 😃
21:40:59 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Yes I'm aware we have people who say they can do it.
21:41:07 <nioCat> d​iego:cypherstack.com> 2. Diego will make a light mode version of his design's homepage  <<>> without circles and reduced/eliminated hero
21:41:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> For 3, dont bother wasting your time with pages that arent migrating, like docs
21:41:09 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Your famous
21:41:43 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I am technically ABLE to do the Astro implementation (and Hugo) if needed
21:41:48 <nioCat> r​ecanman free lunch if/when I see you
21:41:58 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> but I want to pass that around seven hundred times lest I be accused of railroading for my own benefit
21:41:59 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> And cookie
21:42:01 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Let's all love recanman
21:42:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Recanman IS free lunch /s
21:42:17 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Kinky
21:42:25 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> recanman: you're a guiltless party here caught in a ton of crossfire, bro. Very sorry.
21:42:53 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm not sorry, recanman. Diego speaks for himself
21:42:58 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Since we're mainly doing HTML/CSS ssg with no optional javascript, my only argument against Hugo is that javascript templating is way more versatile and powerful than hugo.
21:43:02 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I speak for ofrnxmr only, not even myself
21:43:24 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Alt confirmed
21:43:37 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> #anotherone
21:43:39 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> have you ever seen me and ofrn and geonic and rottenwheel in the same room?
21:43:46 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes
21:43:58 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yes
21:43:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rotten isnt my alt. He's my salt
21:44:01 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I am literally arguing with myself all day long
21:44:07 <nioCat> syn for astro dev
21:44:07 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> All the time
21:44:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> and im pepper
21:44:24 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Ceo*
21:44:51 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Also, I can't for the life of me understand why you guys hate the circles, but I'll remove them.
21:45:08 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> again. only if i get paid in russian ruble
21:45:09 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> except leap years
21:45:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Because theyre circles
21:45:19 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> ohhhhhh gotcha
21:45:32 <nioCat> I have no imagination and need to see it  :D
21:45:41 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Minecraft players be like:
21:45:55 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> wait nioCat you didn't see the design with the circles?
21:45:57 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> What about ripple?
21:46:14 <nioCat> I saw the circles, not impressed
21:46:35 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> What about cat?
21:46:46 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> And what about crop circles?
21:46:51 <nioCat> she wants mouse shaped
21:47:36 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Who summoned me in here now?
21:47:47 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Who am I and where's my lizard?
21:47:48 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> we held a ritual
21:48:19 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Candyman?
21:48:35 <nioCat> a few days ago someone linked to a modern site that they were impressed with, it was so bad   
21:48:41 <nioCat> how do we come to a decision?  :D
21:48:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg Diego Salazar
21:49:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Niocat ^
21:49:03 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Rock,scissor,paper
21:49:21 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Or deathrace
21:49:38 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you know we call just make a pvp game between Hugo and Astro supporters on BAR RTS (free and open source)
21:49:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 4:20
21:51:02 <nioCat> ofrn, yes I've seen that  weeeeeeeeeeeeeee
21:51:31 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> What the fuck happened now?
21:51:40 <nioCat> nothing
21:52:01 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I'm quoting Diego on Matrix...
21:52:25 <plowsof> im sorry 
21:52:45 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but your question is broadcasted to all of us. you egoistic.
21:52:57 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Diego isn't all yours
21:53:00 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it's mine
21:53:10 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> He is all mine. 😏
21:53:34 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Diego is big spoon
21:53:35 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> What came before Sunday? Saturday. You're Sunday sugar. 💅
21:54:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> what came before sunday? Rotten, prematurely 😶‍🌫️
21:55:04 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Errrrr errrr errrr errrr. How about 1 with your imagery, or any other graphic designer, of which we seem to have plenty now!
21:55:28 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Vosto, monero graphics, someone else I've been talking to privately, Diego, anhdres.
21:55:44 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> We have a metric shit ton of graphic designers and one person migrating current theme to Hugo.
21:55:54 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Change backend, revamp design.
21:56:38 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> I wouldnt convert to hugo, its a waste of there time. No decision has been made
21:56:54 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Lmfao.
21:57:09 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> stop laughing
21:57:24 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> there is nothing funny
21:57:25 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Why is it a waste of time, frontend developer. Elaborate your cons for the ref, geonic your majesty.
21:57:27 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> its a serious discussion
21:57:32 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Lmfao (again).
21:58:00 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate) Backup chop chop... 👂
21:59:11 <nioCat> plowsof will decide
21:59:49 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> What does cat think?
22:00:09 <nioCat> she thinks mice and pizza
22:00:59 <nioCat> what does the site maintainer think? 
22:01:30 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 💯
22:01:40 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Coin knows his stuff.
22:03:13 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> That was my question. If it switches to astro will the current worker nodes use it or even know how to use it.
22:04:20 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Only question that needs anwsering now is do we rm -rf website or not
22:04:48 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> obviously yes. erase all backups and local branch and then start working on the new website
22:05:10 <plowsof> if you presented me with this astro blog, i would have to submit a markdown file with front matter to make a blog, just like we do now https://github.com/bradtraversy/astro-blog
22:05:33 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> why do you think?
22:06:20 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Cause why waste time now when there is no definitive answer
22:07:39 <nioCat> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Coin knows his stuff. <<>> if I say anything of value it's just a lucky guess
22:09:57 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> looks like Ai written
22:10:38 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > This contrasts with traditional server-side rendering,
22:10:39 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ChatGPT confirmed
22:10:46 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > This contrasts with traditional server-side rendering,
22:10:47 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ChatGPT confirmed
22:11:04 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no human on earth say contrasts and traditional in the same sentence
22:12:08 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/gGYallgWPSMbvNaMulhJtEXY
22:13:02 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/QcBeavcrNAVIQPdpxHwDwRah
22:13:14 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> I'm generating* a book
22:13:24 <nioCat> did AI determine that it was AI generated? 
22:13:33 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> yes
22:14:03 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> It is a statistical model not LLM
22:14:34 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> AFAIK for most of AI-detection websites
22:16:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I wonder what it says about me. If it knows that i am ai
22:17:38 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> We are in the trauman show?
22:19:05 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Trauma show*
22:20:35 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/bAFmrToDiOuFmWtsWMnvoNsr
22:21:16 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> he is just stressed
22:21:24 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so he talk like chatgpt
22:21:25 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/URuhBDLqTiXyIOIwqEQskKww
22:22:33 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Freegpt
22:51:17 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> As long as the comparison is correct