16:41:23 powerupprivacy.com 16:41:25 are they our sponsor? 16:44:32 cc sgp_ is powerupprivacy a sponsor of Magic Grants ? 16:45:02 As for Monero project there are no indications on the website 16:45:17 they may be donating without a sponsorship title 16:45:46 yes that's what i thought and it looks like 16:46:08 they're the biggest donor for CCS proposals 16:46:25 how do you know? 16:47:22 they claim they're sponsoring to the monero project 16:47:45 ah ok I misread your sentence 16:47:52 I thought you were affirming but only supposing. 16:48:03 I thought you were affirming but you were only supposing. 16:48:17 and they funded monero.observer 16:48:27 > 24/10/17: Confirmed that the biggest donation was from the Power Up Privacy anon group. Thank you guys! 16:48:27 https://monero.observer/monero-observer-funding-2025/ 16:59:49 https://www.privacyguides.org/articles/2024/08/20/staff-announcement/ 16:59:51 https://firo.org/2024/08/10/firo-receive-donation-from-powerup-privacy.html 17:00:08 why it feels like it is run by SGP? 17:01:19 sgp is secret millionaire 17:01:38 >Whonix is proudly supported until 2025 by Power Up Privacy, a privacy advocacy group that seeks to supercharge privacy projects with resources so they can complete their mission of making our world a better place. (Strictly subject to our sponsorship policy.) 17:01:40 sgp isn't israeli afaik 17:01:45 at the bottom of https://www.whonix.org/ 17:02:18 very interesting 17:02:35 Ofrnxmr: if funding em 17:03:51 what 17:03:56 stop usurpating my identity 17:05:38 did they donate us? and should we list them as sponsor? 17:06:34 ig 17:06:56 there should have been transparency 17:09:57 ig we could request them per email if they could provide some proof of transactions and ask them if they want us to list them on the website 17:11:25 https://blog.torproject.org/2024-fundraiser-donations-matched/ 17:11:27 >Now is a great time to give and spread the word about the Tor Project because through the end of the year, all donations will be matched by our supporters at Power Up Privacy 17:12:01 who controls getmonero domain? 17:12:07 can email? 17:12:56 core 17:13:27 ig it should be a website maintainer 17:13:42 so that they can publicly verify some degree of credibility in the request 17:16:23 hello rottenwheel 17:19:24 No 17:19:35 Do you work for them or smthn? 17:19:37 monero isnt sponsored by anyone. Core infra/services are 17:19:39 If they want to sponsor core, they can reach our to core sponsor something 17:19:41 If they donate to a ccs, they arent sponsoring ccs - ccs has no sponsors. _your_ ccs might, but the ccs platform does not 17:19:43 I've donated to GF and CCS. That doesnr make me a sponsor of monero, monero-project or core 17:19:53 It makes me a donor 17:21:18 why someone would sponsor to core? 17:21:24 idk if they are pulling up a FUTO with that donations 17:21:25 it should be exact opposite 17:21:27 Cake sponsors matrix, cypherstack sponsors sysadmin, 17:21:46 You cant sponsor "monero" 17:22:10 you can only sponsor monero-project (core) services, and individuals 17:22:49 they will be sponsor of CCS system 17:23:00 No they wont 17:23:24 ccs infra is funded by generalfund 17:23:44 ccs _proposers_ are sponsored by _all_ donors 17:24:32 idk if I'm tripping but I think getmonero had a sponsors page 17:24:34 here we go, ideas before reality 17:24:39 whonix dev must be maintaining the debian monero package again then? (now listed on their front page) 17:24:57 it have one indeed 17:25:00 and it make sense 17:25:04 > The following businesses actively support the Monero Project in its goal to bring financial privacy to the world. We couldn't be more grateful for their contributions. 17:25:19 yes, thx all 17:25:24 The sponsors page is for monero-project infra that is untentionally sponsored 17:25:35 +1 for adding Power Up Privacy 17:25:39 that page doesn't state that 17:25:41 i gave 2 examples above 17:25:55 then the description should be changed, if that's the case 17:26:09 i disagree, description makes perfect sense 17:26:14 Did they claim to sponsor anything? 17:26:21 *if that's the case* 17:26:31 i also disagree to change 17:26:37 I want ofrnxmr listed as a sponsor as well then 17:26:57 they should be incentivized to be sponsor/make big donations 17:27:02 ofrnxmr donates to CCS proposals 17:27:04 Monero.observer and Firo both claimed to have been secured by Power Up Privacy 17:27:16 And neither is monero 17:27:17 You are not a company nor are you a whale 17:27:25 if you do like power up privacy, i would support this 17:27:28 Says you 17:27:43 https://www.getmonero.org/community/sponsorships/ 17:27:46 How do you know i havent? 17:27:59 then prove your hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of transaction to CCS and I'll be thinking again 17:28:07 > If you would like to sponsor the Monero Project and be listed on this page, please send an email to 17:28:20 Did PUP do this? 17:28:31 donation != sponsorship 17:28:33 then you didn't do publicly unlike powerup, if you did then as i said i would support 17:28:41 do Power Up privacy want to appear on the sponsors page? they should reach out to bF directly 17:28:51 aside monero.observer no, I was going to ask for proof of their contribution if it holds then I'll be for adding it 17:29:07 monero observer went outside of cca 17:29:22 yes i would like to ask this to them, they're sponsor of many project and listed there, only getmonero isnt 17:29:26 dont care its still beneficial to the Monero project and community 17:29:27 That wasnt even a monero proposal, it was a solo-dolo funding for a private newsletter 17:29:46 they claim to be sponsor of monero project 17:29:53 Sponsoring monerotalk doesnt make you a sponsor of monero 17:30:01 or "If you would like to sponsor the Monero Project and be listed on this page, please send an email to dev⊙go" 17:30:08 I thought ofrnxmr was asking for proof of their contribution in its sentence 17:30:10 Without proof, thats a _false_ claim 17:30:14 btw are all sponsors on https://getmonero.org/community/sponsorships/ are still sponsoring monero? or some need to move to Past sponsors? 17:30:21 What do you want, lil chirp? 17:30:30 I believe all are still active 17:30:38 yes i will ask that, im just consulting/discussing in here first 17:30:50 the last sponsor we moved to past sponsor was demoted 17:31:04 could you please add in your next revuo issue the list of proxy IPs boog collected so that people can ban them until a solution is found for monerod. 17:31:12 as far as the rest im not aware of any issues (mac stadium still provide a mac OS vm) 17:31:32 s/was demoted/forkednetworking 17:32:07 Link me up. Preferably with boog's text when he shared it initially. I will, of course. 17:32:14 the owner of FN is a nice guy that still supports projects in the ecosystem* 17:32:15 Thanks for the ping. 17:32:34 if PUP is sponsoring monero CCS, why isnt vost funded yet? 17:33:13 Original announcement: 17:33:15 https://matrix.to/#/!LmpzSzbSMKFmPbCpHe:monero.social/$Gl5JqSv-_ZOZ8EsyfoB8NXixj7Q8FKiugT36xTC5WLk?via=cypherstack.com&via=matrix.org&via=monero.social 17:33:17 IP list disclosure: 17:33:19 https://matrix.to/#/!LmpzSzbSMKFmPbCpHe:monero.social/$u3F4nZTF3TlIzksDY0F0D6umI7gDIHqKPEB3AOVKb84?via=cypherstack.com&via=matrix.org&via=monero.social 17:33:30 vosts' introductory video was funded outside of ccs, maybe it was them 🤷 17:33:38 you can't call yourself a sponsor if you only donate things you feel like. That makes you a donor or an investor 17:33:51 vosts' introductory video was funded outside of ccs, maybe it was them 🤷 <> fully funded? 17:33:54 i call recurrent and solid donors a sponsor 17:34:05 ok well, i will try contacting them 17:34:15 thx HardenedSteel 17:36:46 the ccs sponsors the monero project, how about that 17:36:50 lol 17:39:42 perhaps renaming to big donors 17:39:48 or big sponsors 17:42:25 some gaming tier ranking would be understand by everyone. Main purpose of a sponsor page is too show them our gratitude by providing them (limited but still) visibility from our side. As long as all of them get an appropriate place that fit their contribution roles its ok. 17:42:27 imo 17:43:08 that would be some interesting information exercise cc Diego Salazar 17:43:13 i agree. 17:43:58 Donating != sponsoring 17:44:08 Theres an important distinction between the words 17:44:24 they are sponsoring projects 17:44:33 donating to* 17:44:38 they want their name to be known among privacy people 17:44:44 yeah we are beyond occasional and limited donations 17:44:48 side note: the sponsors page is too square, we need rounded (or at least rounded edges) ! 17:44:50 branding whatever 17:44:58 i feel like @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx has different reasoning to dont list them, if that's the case why? 17:45:01 They would / could have reached out if they wanted to be listed 17:45:04 i agree plowsof 17:45:22 agree, more slick 17:45:24 Because i don't need or want to know who donated to me 17:45:45 true. tho I don't think its wrong to contact them and ask them if they wish so. 17:45:48 rounding corners means yo uhave transcended w3schools tutorials and are a big boy designer 17:46:00 this sounds valid concern 17:46:01 maybe they tried to contact dev⊙go and fails 17:46:10 i will do that, maybe they didn't know that. 17:46:11 if someone wanted me to know, they would have told me 17:46:24 learn from kicksecure design skills 17:46:27 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/PjKypXuZVWneolNYFaHFGySe 17:46:36 *Unable to show image due to error* 17:46:39 just don't mind that little thing on the top right 17:46:50 roudned edges.. transparency... 5 stars.. chefs kiss 17:46:51 kicksecure website is peak UI/UX 17:46:57 https://www.kicksecure.com/wiki/Donors#2024 17:47:08 that's great example of sponsorship or donor page imo. that's how most organization does tho. 17:47:10 oh yeeeees 17:47:15 gamer like card and colors 17:47:17 i love it 17:47:19 Imagine feds knowing that russia donated 10000xmr to binaryfate 17:47:41 its not like ccs or gf wallets are multisigs 17:47:57 ? 17:48:02 not of their best interest to annouce that 17:48:24 so why are we trying to 💀 17:48:38 PUP are now russians? 17:48:39 Do we know? 17:48:52 LOL 17:48:53 bruh 17:48:55 Do we want to know? 17:48:57 because they aren't politically motivated nor appear to vehicle bad intents. 17:48:59 no of course 17:49:05 ask them if it is halal tho 17:49:08 but hey they can also just say no 17:49:09 feds are politically motivated 17:49:45 Tor project, PrivacyGuides, Firo didn't ask 17:49:47 off-topic imo 17:50:10 well player Syn 17:50:11 I'd hope they dk 17:50:13 well played Syn 17:50:15 I'd hope they do 17:50:35 feds attacking monero funding is the last thing we need 17:51:27 I'd rather not know who donates to anything. I'd rather not know where the thousands of xmr came from, or who repaid the ccs hack 17:51:48 I'd rather not know who's funding 100% of some devs pay 17:52:40 Of they want to announce it, theyre free to. I'd rather not make a devs life difficult by them having to explain on their taxes that they are employed by PUP 17:52:50 off-topic yet I'll bite. If they want to disclose their source for bad intent then they will whether we ask them or not 17:52:57 you know, if you are worried about that then I have a perfect scenario that may cause a lot of backlash easily 17:53:13 so can anyone donating huge some of money to monero 17:53:31 I'm saying _feds_ are the problem, not PUP 17:53:33 you just can't prevent people from donating 17:53:46 very dumb thing to do 17:54:01 We already accept many, many donations in amounts >10k or whatever your local AML regulation is 17:54:50 We _cant_ comply with regs bcuz we dont know where the funds came from, and we cant do anything to stop them. (like generalfund being donation spammed) 17:55:02 pretty sure all Monero CCS donations are clean 😄, privacy tech for all people 🚀 17:55:23 widely off-topic now 17:56:01 But trying to find out who sent those illegal tx, and putting up a badge on it to advertise on the website, is just stupid and dangerous for the ccs proposers and wallet holders 17:57:08 i mean. It's not like we're investigating a donor. They proudly advertise themselves as sponsors of Monero 17:57:38 We're at bare minimum in ethical right to ask them whether they even really sponsor the project. 17:58:07 we're not investigating the donor, bur were suggesting to investigate source of donations. Feds will be happy we did that when _they_ investigate the donors 17:58:42 And happy to chase down proposers who received these funds 17:58:44 you get what i mean. by investigating a donor I include source of donations 17:59:00 neither less its not our goal 17:59:12 We are literally suggesting to ask around if PUP is the source. 17:59:27 oh you meant in that sense 17:59:40 Thats investigating the source, finding the true spend, asking for a txproof 18:00:22 A lot of proposers are law abiding citizens. 18:00:33 yeah we do. **In a grateful and considerate manner** we are first asking whether they wish to have visibility then ask for proofs not the other way around. 18:00:36 Public, doxxed, and living under heavily regulated regimes 18:00:43 Pay their taxes 18:01:06