14:59:39 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Meeting in this room in exactly 4 weeks
15:07:03 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> diego plowsof mbll wasnt s*ucerr recently banned in other rooms? Or am i mistaking with someone else
15:09:09 <plowsof> somsone called sauce - method was banned recently 
15:10:57 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> sauce-rr could be new 👀
16:13:20 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> Meeting here in 3h
17:05:21 <m-relay> <s​aucerr:matrix.org> Hey there! I wanted to let you know that I have a channel where I share some amazing Verified sauce and soft cashout methods. I also provide a Full WalkThrough to make things easier for you. 
17:05:21 <m-relay> <s​aucerr:matrix.org> Here are some of the things you can find on my channel:
17:05:23 <m-relay> <s​aucerr:matrix.org> - Apple Pay
17:05:25 <m-relay> <s​aucerr:matrix.org> - Apple Product method
17:05:27 <m-relay> <s​aucerr:matrix.org> - Airb&b
17:05:29 <m-relay> <s​aucerr:matrix.org> - Bank logs/ bank drops
17:05:31 <m-relay> <s​aucerr:matrix.org> - Bank open UPS
17:05:33 <m-relay> <s​aucerr:matrix.org> - Carding
17:05:35 <m-relay> <s​aucerr:matrix.org> - Chime transfer 
17:05:37 <m-relay> <s​aucerr:matrix.org> - Cashapp 
17:05:39 <m-relay> <s​aucerr:matrix.org> - Crypto
17:05:54 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> PLOWSOF
17:05:57 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ATTACK BAN!!!!!
17:06:33 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ^^^^ Diego Salazar: monerobull xmrscott  ^^^^
17:07:10 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> now now
17:07:12 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> hear him out
17:52:43 <plowsof> lol
18:08:32 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> Meeting here in 50 minutes
18:44:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I might miss it
18:44:58 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> my vote if on new design, light + dark mode, no circles, reduces/eliminated hero, orange (not red)/ rounded rectangle buttons
18:49:43 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> concave
18:58:08 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> second derivatives < 0
18:58:49 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i'll be late too
18:59:24 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> if i get killed my vote is obviously new design dark + light, diego's design without circles (the rest is perfect)
18:59:46 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> which new design lol
19:00:05 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> if I am killed my vote is Diego's design which would have to be completed by someone else
19:00:07 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> alright guys, welcome to the #4th Monero website meeting: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1096
19:00:14 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> today we have one goal and one goal only
19:00:20 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> A: https://www.figma.com/design/8g1qLe9iah7wWB72A2Glj1/Monero-Website-Community-Version?node-id=0-1&node-type=canvas
19:00:26 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> B: https://www.figma.com/design/yT4JTUfvBkAsBDPNPJL1gx/Monero-Redesign-Concept?node-id=0-1&node-type=canvas
19:01:02 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> C: Keep current design but add darkmode / fresh new graphics
19:02:35 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> Please have a look at the designs before voting.
19:02:38 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Reminder, my work is quite incomplete. There was a soft pause placed on it as we circled back to discussing whether a new design was wanted or desired in the first place. After the workgroup here wanted me to continue and make a light version, I did so. My version is not final, but it speaks to a direction we would be going toward.
19:04:45 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Option A is simply current design uploaded on Figma though...
19:05:10 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/kernal.eu/HRDrLgElLvecnlDLFPUiZrsQ
19:05:14 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> lol hold on
19:05:28 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> ..................................................................................................................
19:05:31 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> https://www.figma.com/design/OuY892nD4zD1CEQDvC2Kty/Monero-Website-Redesign-2024-(Copy)?node-id=0-1&t=KoAMdY5uGn7fCNWJ-1
19:05:32 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> this one
19:05:43 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> A: https://www.figma.com/design/OuY892nD4zD1CEQDvC2Kty/Monero-Website-Redesign-2024-(Copy)?node-id=0-1&t=KoAMdY5uGn7fCNWJ-1
19:05:49 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> You tested we are awake? :)
19:06:39 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> i like the lightmode version so much more than the darkmode
19:07:17 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> @room
19:07:45 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Do a @room on that poll message.
19:08:07 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> @room
19:08:21 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> take a look at this poll plz
19:08:35 <m-relay> <c​rz:matrix.org> Do we have screenshots?
19:08:37 <m-relay> <c​rz:matrix.org> :p
19:08:43 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> BRUV.
19:08:48 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Scroll up and click on the figma links.
19:08:50 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Jfc.
19:09:00 <m-relay> <c​rz:matrix.org> I just got pulled in with @ room lol
19:09:26 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/cypherstack.com/PeGRFnnCZUPRMjwizjykkCbz
19:09:27 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> here you go
19:10:03 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> ooo looks great
19:10:08 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> dark theme?
19:10:33 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> yes there's a dark theme version too
19:10:58 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> "i like the lightmode version so much more than the darkmode" I agree with monerobull here ...
19:11:02 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> let me change the buttons :P
19:11:39 <m-relay> <c​rz:matrix.org> I would do the lightmode, but add switch for darkmode.
19:12:35 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> should be set automatically depending on OS theme preference
19:12:55 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@media/prefers-color-scheme
19:13:21 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> seeing Deigo on figma live lol
19:13:38 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Why you finger printing me sir!
19:15:45 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Almost done.
19:16:10 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Hi
19:16:25 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> im a federal agent, I'll take over syntheticbird during his questioning.
19:16:29 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> alright that''s good enough for now
19:16:49 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/cypherstack.com/IGyFrApJKaAHgOOpAMOSspEk
19:16:49 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> crz: ^
19:17:54 <m-relay> <c​rz:matrix.org> I do like the layout, still the header GFX could use some work.
19:18:12 <m-relay> <c​rz:matrix.org> Not nit-picking here :p
19:18:27 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> The header was the thing that was the least done, yeah
19:19:19 <m-relay> <c​rz:matrix.org> It's the most important thing people first see.
19:19:42 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> Is it still to be decided what exactly will fill the empty square below "Start using Monero" on the homepage?
19:19:43 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I understand, yes. A lot more work is going to go into the hero portion
19:20:10 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Lets hope there is a decision this meeting or we have to wait till next ccs
19:20:32 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> we should use monochrome icons in the footer
19:20:48 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Yes. As I mentioned, I paused all work on my design because of accusations of padding my CCS time for something that wasn't decided yet.
19:21:04 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> I see, thanks.
19:21:05 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> This meeting is more or less to see if people like my design enough to carry forward with it as a good use of my CCS hours.
19:21:42 <m-relay> <c​rz:matrix.org> Yeah i'm designer also here :p so just looking @ it for first time
19:22:04 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> So your the design of the janka old ccs proposal?
19:22:05 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> i like the overall feel but it definitely needs some graphics
19:22:07 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'd love your feedback. Feel free to poke around the Figma proper.
19:23:00 <m-relay> <c​rz:matrix.org> In crypto world for 15y+ now, as designer/coder. And I always liked the XMR website.
19:23:02 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I agree. hammerman designed had some well placed icons and graphics in background.
19:23:07 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> No. That was hammerman's design.
19:23:24 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Thank you! That's my design that's live now. :)
19:23:25 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> Hero image looks better on light mode
19:23:30 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but I prefer overall Diego's basis
19:23:59 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> also need to find a better slogan than "Monero means money" but not that related to current design discussion
19:24:14 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Rip doug
19:24:31 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Monero means digital cash ©️
19:24:32 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I also agree strongly on this. The Monero community has latched onto that phrase because of Daniel Kim's excellent presentation.
19:24:33 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> But I'm not sure I like it for an informal project slogan
19:24:37 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Monero from the esperanto word *monero* means in esperanto money, the object used to carry out a transaction between...
19:25:02 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I mean I think even 5 words is too much
19:25:13 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Monero
19:25:17 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Like
19:25:18 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Monero means coin, not money.
19:25:19 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Cher
19:25:28 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> the project was originally bitmonero (bitCOIN)
19:25:31 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> was shortened to Monero
19:25:40 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Bitcorn
19:25:50 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Bytemonero?
19:25:54 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> .
19:26:01 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> Monero is Bitcoin but private
19:26:18 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nah. I don't the like the idea that we identify ourselves as nemesis of some other
19:26:19 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> I would link it to buttcoin
19:26:23 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> /s
19:26:24 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Wouldnt*
19:27:34 <m-relay> <c​rz:matrix.org> I would not say anything about bitcoin
19:27:51 <m-relay> <c​rz:matrix.org> monero already got nice meme/community strong thing
19:27:52 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> "Monero means coin, not money." Yes, right. Spoils that slogan a bit.
19:29:11 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> so, so far it looks like the sentiment is I should continue with my design.
19:29:36 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Also, I don't know if you guys saw, but some time ago the current site was ported over to Astro.
19:29:40 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Always has been
19:29:48 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> https://github.com/SyntheticBird45/monero-site-astro
19:29:52 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> thanks to syntheticbird
19:30:05 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> How far did the Hugo rewrite go?
19:30:06 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> live demo
19:30:07 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> http://xi2nhkuzm2hzgyedprs3n65wmudrq4rekbzire67oomiwk5x5h6w7nqd.onion/
19:30:21 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Not far. recanman decided to not move forward with it
19:30:35 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> Oh.
19:30:44 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Indeed.
19:31:44 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> Whatever that means. Probably not much.
19:31:45 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I don't know if janaka is still around or cares, but it seems we're back to Astro, and I'll make sure we firmly stay there if you're still interested in working with us.
19:32:35 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> at the very least, JPEG-XL is the superior format and AVIF will never be a real codec, myself, and some others (including rbrunner7 are pro Astro and will help with the site. So we'll be moving to Astro.
19:32:49 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I can't wait to announce on reddit we're going to rewrite getmonero in javascript
19:32:53 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and see the reaction
19:32:56 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> right?
19:33:48 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Seem worked
19:33:49 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> In short, unless there are EXTREMELY compelling reasons given now or after the fact (and they should be very very very compelling, not just "I wasn't there", we are now, definitively, moving forward with a plan of Astro, and a design that I will make (that can be tweaked by the community later, of course)
19:33:55 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> top one D*ead post for a whole year
19:33:57 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> But repo is rm -rf
19:34:08 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> It was going well but I unfortunately was very busy at the time
19:34:23 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I might still have a local copy
19:34:42 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Not pinging you to blame, but just if you wanted to say something. :)
19:35:30 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> If you agree with this statement, give it an emoji thumbs up, or an IRC "ye ye" or whatever.
19:35:40 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> It may or may not be admissible in "we had consensus, trust me bro" court
19:36:37 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> yes the meeting was pre-announced on multiple channels and we have reached clear consensus
19:37:03 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> yes, the meeting was pre-announced on multiple channels and we have reached clear consensus
19:37:05 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> oh god, but what if we haven't?!?!?
19:37:10 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I jest. I'll cool it with the nonsense.
19:37:19 <SyntheticBird> I wonder who is the nonsense
19:37:20 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Alright guys, I'll get to work then.
19:37:47 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> Word.
19:37:54 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Dword.
19:38:13 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> Ok anything else?
19:38:20 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Not from me.
19:38:29 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> can we talk about CCS website?
19:38:34 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i mean
19:38:38 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it could get a refresh
19:38:41 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> with tags
19:38:53 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Do you imagine? Clear ways to identify proposal with upfront payments
19:38:56 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> The front end or the whole shebang?
19:39:14 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Diego Salazar I think both but I'm not brave enough to fight ofrnxmr on the back end side
19:41:12 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I can update the front end as part of the style change, sure.
19:41:39 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> I designed the current CCS system (backend and frontend) given strict parameters by core. It had to be git based was the primary one.
19:44:33 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think the navigation could get an overhaul for end users. The current frontend is completely detached from the original spirit of CCS (since a lot of precedent has been set). I have some idea in mind I could draft
19:44:48 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Please do.
19:47:23 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> Alright, this concludes today's meeting, diego, i guess we do the next meeting when you have some progress to report?
19:47:52 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Sure thing.
19:48:33 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> Ok, thanks for coming and voting everyone, I'll see you in the next meeting which will be announced here and on reddit/town again
19:51:33 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Np
19:51:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> thanks mbll
19:51:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (syn, plz post meme)
19:52:07 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> logs and meeting results are in the github issue https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1096
19:53:09 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/cmaSyBmlrulbOxteLxIcsiqN
19:53:25 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> See? easy stuff no need to argue about nonesense "dark theme evil", "javascript in framework sus!!" Not everyone is informed how things usually work.
19:53:25 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> conclusion: democracy often bad
19:53:44 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> See? easy stuff no need to argue about nonesense "dark theme evil", "javascript in framework sus!!" Not everyone is informed about how things usually work.
19:53:45 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> conclusion: democracy often bad
19:54:14 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> it was all easy stuff four months ago when we started too
19:54:43 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> There was a ccs to redo ccs
19:54:59 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and had ccs accept the ccs redo ccs ?
19:55:21 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Nope
19:55:30 <vthor> "I can't wait to announce on reddit we're going to rewrite getmonero in javascript" <- *arg* :D
19:55:32 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I blame ofrnxmr
19:55:39 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> /s
19:55:39 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Become war and peace
19:56:08 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thx vthor cc Diego Salazar can i make a reddit post about the ongoing change
19:56:43 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Sure. Permission isn't really needed.
19:57:08 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ethically I prefer not binding someone to some expectations on social media without their permission
19:57:45 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> ye. Thanks. I don't mind.
19:58:27 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Isnt that mbll’s job?
19:58:36 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Finger of the pulse stuff
19:58:39 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sshhhhhhhhhhhh i need karma
19:58:49 <vthor> "thx vthor cc Diego Salazar can i make a reddit post about the ongoing change" <- what did I do? :/
19:59:05 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> vthor you make me remind I should have asked at the end of the meeting
19:59:42 <vthor> :D you welcome then
20:57:38 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Just ask mbll to approve
20:58:20 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dont need. It's over i'm a r/monero mod now
20:59:19 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Your in the system