06:48:43 <m-relay> <j​ordanshannon:matrix.org> Hey there! I wanted to let you know that I have a channel where I share some amazing Verified sauce and soft cashout methods. I also provide a Full WalkThrough to make things easier for you. 
06:48:43 <m-relay> <j​ordanshannon:matrix.org> Here are some of the things you can find on my channel:
06:48:45 <m-relay> <j​ordanshannon:matrix.org> - Apple Pay
06:48:47 <m-relay> <j​ordanshannon:matrix.org> - Apple Product method
06:48:49 <m-relay> <j​ordanshannon:matrix.org> - Airb&b
06:48:51 <m-relay> <j​ordanshannon:matrix.org> - Bank logs/ bank drops
06:48:53 <m-relay> <j​ordanshannon:matrix.org> - Bank open UPS
06:48:55 <m-relay> <j​ordanshannon:matrix.org> - Carding
06:48:57 <m-relay> <j​ordanshannon:matrix.org> - Chime transfer 
06:48:59 <m-relay> <j​ordanshannon:matrix.org> - Cashapp 
06:49:01 <m-relay> <j​ordanshannon:matrix.org> - Crypto
07:14:31 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> fingering of the pulse people ^
10:16:24 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> https://redlib.ducks.party/r/Monero/comments/1gdk7ay/comment/lu3zlmv/
10:16:43 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Exciting news for the Monero community! The shift to Astro is a smart move. As someone who's worked on similar transitions, I can say it'll likely improve performance and maintainability. The static site approach is perfect for privacy-focused projects like Monero.
10:16:43 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> >
10:16:45 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Have you considered integrating automated testing into the new build process? It could help catch issues early, especially during the transition. At Fission AI Lab, we've found this crucial for smooth launches.
10:16:47 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > 
10:16:49 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > The redesign looks sleek too. Curious to see how it enhances user experience and accessibility. Keep up the great work!
10:20:45 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nevermind my message IRC user, this guy was a bot
11:00:19 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:monero.social> webp > jpeg
11:00:34 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Brave user spotted
11:00:56 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Thanks mbll
11:01:04 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:monero.social> no, i grew to like webp during the mordinals phase
11:01:17 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Ahh morbs
11:01:18 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:monero.social> where a 100kb webp would look phenomenal compared to a jpg
11:01:35 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:monero.social> it really showed me just how much better webp is
11:01:44 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:monero.social> thats why monero.town converts everything to webp as well
11:10:53 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> please. JPEG-XL is so much superior to jpeg
11:11:05 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> your poor and pitiful webP format is archaic and uncompressed
11:11:17 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> my JXL images sometimes don't cross the 2kB limit
11:11:23 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:monero.social> hm
11:11:29 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:monero.social> but nobody supports it
11:11:35 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:monero.social> even less than webp
11:11:40 * m-relay <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> seethe
11:12:03 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you know what they say: humanity is always slow on progress
11:12:45 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/uKVLWHjBJvqUMqhglayMNMnC
11:12:48 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I mean look at that
11:12:56 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 218 bytes only
11:18:41 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Who the fuck has ever seen a `.jxl` in their lives? No one, just you and your two imaginary friends. 😂
11:19:10 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://caniuse.com/jpegxl
11:19:20 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> also what image viewer support it?
11:19:28 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't blame you ignorant. Jxl should grow upon everyone's land
11:19:47 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> loupe, qview, windows, mac
11:20:16 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Works on opera browser
11:20:24 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> really? thats cool
11:21:16 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> JPEG-XL would have already conquer the web if Google wasn't on a zealotry battle for muh AVIF format and mug AV1 video codec.
11:21:39 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> name change was based on https://cloudinary.com/blog/how_jpeg_xl_compares_to_other_image_codecs ?
11:22:53 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> cap
11:23:18 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> .
12:06:04 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Use WebP/WebM, realistically the most optimal and best choice currently
12:07:12 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Give me one thing WebP/WebM have more than AVIF/AV1
12:07:46 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Size
12:08:00 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> for 4chan
12:08:21 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> webX is more heavy indeed.
12:12:04 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Sure I'll do the googling instead of you. The answer is support.
12:12:05 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> https://caniuse.com/webp
12:12:07 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> https://caniuse.com/avif
12:12:35 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> I get aids when someone sends avif or heic and shit won't open on Linux or Android. To hell with those.
12:13:25 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh no we don't support muh KaiOS browser and Opera mini. It's so over.
12:13:43 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't know what you use but I've never had any issues with avif on windows or linux
12:13:53 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVIF#Image_viewers
12:14:45 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Not even element or most matrix clients support it
12:15:50 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> we use AVIF atm
12:16:04 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> blame Element, they are the one that that enforced authenticated media and it has been bug over bug over bug. Avif thumbnailing is there issue for real
12:16:54 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> AV1 works fine for example
12:17:16 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Yeah I don't think you should be too weird with the formats to save few bytes really
12:17:41 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> All of these additions are fairly recent.
12:17:45 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i agree. I only see it making sense for future content
12:18:26 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> I assume Debian users won't even have those versions lol
12:18:35 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> valid point.
12:18:43 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> unfortunately I hate debian
12:18:44 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> jpegXL has progressive decoding, this may be useful
12:18:56 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> > <@siren:kernal.eu> All of these additions are fairly recent.
12:18:57 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> I assume Debian users don't even have those versions lol
12:18:59 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes this is really the first thing that shocked me
12:19:07 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I didn't know AVIF didn't had progressive decoding
12:19:21 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> In every aspect JPEG-XL is better than AVIF
12:19:46 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> a little like Cuprate over monerod
12:19:54 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> woops
12:20:40 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> /s
12:21:26 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> future will be worse, see call of duty size
12:21:46 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> real
12:21:55 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> no one does optimization becomes hardware becomes faster and more storage
12:22:00 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I heard they wanted compression and decompression acceleration on GPUs for games
12:22:05 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> no one does optimization because hardware becomes faster and more storage
12:24:53 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thats offtopic sry
15:01:31 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Great, we didn't have enough with the rust shills, now we'll also have jpeg XL shills!
15:01:40 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> At least the go shills are quiet...
15:04:13 <nioCat> So, monero means coin, c o i n   n i o c
15:36:16 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the easter egg just leaked
15:44:48 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> re caniuse.com:
15:44:49 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> jpeg-xl: 13.23%
15:44:51 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> avif: 92.94%
15:44:53 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> webp: 95.69%
15:44:55 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> pick webp or avif for now, consider jpeg-xl once all modern support (only Safari does atm)
15:58:15 <plowsof> our internet explorer users are unable to view avifs. i understand the severity, but this is a sacrifice i am willing to make
16:02:44 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> doubt monero software will run for internet explorer users
16:03:07 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> progressive loading is much less relevant when you can compress a file to kilobytes.
16:03:11 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 32 bit racism really grew stronger recently
16:05:54 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> SyntheticBird 
16:05:55 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> >(demo): http xi2nhkuzm2hzgyedprs3n65wmudrq4rekbzire67oomiwk5x5h6w7nqd dot cryingvegetable
16:05:57 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> wtf?
16:06:01 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> reddit post
16:06:03 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ?
16:07:15 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1gdk7ay/a_new_getmoneroorg_website_is_in_the_works/
16:07:56 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> great overall feedback from comments tho!
16:08:31 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> fwiw I'm not against jpeg-xl, it's just that it's a non-starter since it's not supported. So given that, what to use. avif gets really, really tiny, especially with more cpu thrown at the compression, and works with everything now. An HD image is only ~400 KB
16:09:30 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> Everyone will also like the new re-design, although some will miss old design for nostalgia reasons.
16:09:31 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We've started using avif already
16:10:30 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> I'm agains't using jpeg-xl for websites, because it not supported at all by all browsers except safari
16:10:51 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> right, which is why it's currently a non-starter
16:12:27 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> There's no problem about have technicial discussion about image compression fromats, but in reality, no one should be shipping it to their websites at least for the time being
16:15:47 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> btw, you should have shared the actual full design page instead of the intro page.
16:15:47 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://www.figma.com/design/OuY892nD4zD1CEQDvC2Kty/Monero-Website-Redesign-2024-(Copy)?node-id=0-1&node-type=canvas
16:15:49 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> Not everyone is familiar with Figma
16:19:03 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> Diego Salazar Sorry for the ping, but the text at redesign in figma is just a placeholder and will be subject to changes, right?
16:19:17 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/fTKEvkvYyszZbBOoOUCvClhR
16:19:30 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> doesn't sound right at all
16:24:31 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I was just shilling jpeg xl. It was never close being discussed for support. I blame google for doing some lobby with AOMedia
16:27:08 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> "Monero ensures privacy by providing full anonymity and
16:27:09 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> untraceable transactions for users." Is a lot better.
16:27:47 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> "respects privacy" phrase implies a service, which monero isn't
16:30:31 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> yes of course
16:47:16 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/IbfKUEJDzQrWSPFNCvVRaoMG
16:47:19 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> nope, spooky
16:48:58 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/ppuaGsjPnwqjxXHayALSpczn
16:49:17 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Unable to show image due to error
16:49:23 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://www.svgrepo.com/svg/499359/rss
16:49:25 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I blame Zcash
16:49:42 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://www.svgrepo.com/svg/342304/tor
16:50:06 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ig i have a new svg icon website in my bookmarks thx
16:50:38 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> is this the one Diego Salazar used ?
16:51:29 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> yes, the pics I sent
16:51:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But it doesnt provide full anonymity 🫡
16:53:04 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> we can switch image with opposite color based on theme chosen (as these will be invisible in dark theme) 
16:53:05 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> Reminder: we can't use svg 😢 so interchange between pngs based on themese
16:53:10 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> For wallet users, anonymity is up to them - for the tx graph, ip protections from nodes
16:53:34 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> redesign before FCMP++?
16:53:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And for node runners, its clearnet bt default and provides 0 anonymity if you want duplex connections
16:54:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Before RCMP mainnet? Likely
16:54:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> FCMP*
16:54:15 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I swear to god you all are understimating the amount of influence we could gain from both launching fcmp++ on mainnet and the website at the same time
16:54:32 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Just shows the coordination and community power
16:54:42 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> that's what im cheering for
16:55:03 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> people will call it Monero 2.0
16:55:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> FCMP++ should hit testnet ~this yr
16:55:47 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yup.
16:55:53 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 6 months maximum to make the new website
16:56:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> but audits and mainnet launch might be a ways out
16:56:21 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> hmmm we will see
17:34:08 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> rando is that you on reddit that asked about fcmp ?
17:34:25 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh wait no bad syntheticbird its offtoic