15:39:43 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> shall we remove monero-ecosystem? https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues/2415
15:45:00 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not yet
15:45:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> or not at all
15:45:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> should migrate the whole org to librejo
15:45:35 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Theres a lot of stuff there
15:46:13 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> we will only remove the github organization page, but relevant repos will stay
15:46:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> As much as i dont like the premise of centralizing community projects there, even monero-outreach docs are archived there
15:47:00 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> We should migrate the monwro-ecosystem git to librejo.monerodevs.org (soon librejo.getmonero.org?)
15:48:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its in "archived" mode because erc owns it
15:48:26 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not for any other reason
15:49:54 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> monero-python repo isn't maintained over 2 years, does it still work? if not are there fork? because i couldn't find
15:54:29 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> >Community of Monero developers. Contains libraries and resources and guides of some Monero Workgroups, like the Localization Workgroup and the Outreach Workgroup.
15:54:39 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> all of these are dead
15:55:29 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> vthor doesnt have a high opinion on monero-python i think.
15:56:25 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> imo its a glorified wrapper for monero-wallet-rpc calls
15:57:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof is biased, he doesnt want ppl to know that he contributed to it /s
15:57:11 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> it does roll some of its own crypto though. three is python code to scan for outputs belonging an address/view key, which has been useful for some projects
15:57:18 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> btw, how about creating a new monero-translation room when we find a solution?
15:57:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ?
15:57:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Why would you need a new room
15:57:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> there is a translation room
15:58:20 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> on what HS
15:58:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And the solution is likely new website + weblate
15:58:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero.social and matrix.org
15:59:16 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> need to demote Erc?
15:59:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> cant demote him
15:59:34 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> or there are no risks
15:59:36 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> ik
15:59:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He killed the homeserver
15:59:41 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> immortalised
15:59:48 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hes also admin in research lab
16:00:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And haveno-dev has no admin at all. Broken forever
16:00:45 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://blog.erethon.com/blog/2023/06/21/what-happens-when-a-matrix-server-disappears/
16:00:51 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> replace it?
16:01:00 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> it is still risky, right?
16:01:16 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://spec.matrix.org/v1.7/server-server-api/#security-considerations
16:01:50 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> this part https://blog.erethon.com/blog/2023/06/21/what-happens-when-a-matrix-server-disappears/#headline-6 specifically
16:03:19 <m-relay> <b​b3883:matrix.org> is Lauren London pretty ?
16:03:35 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> its time for XMPP
16:03:57 <m-relay> <b​b3883:matrix.org> second that
16:04:13 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> >Generally, for protocols like Matrix, XMPP or email that depend on DNS to work, if a malicious actor can control the target's DNS records, it's game over. They can take full control of the domain and, from there, can easily impersonate their target on any of the above protocols.
16:05:21 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> literally entire internet is like that
16:05:58 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes, and is why i said that we should only have admins on monero.social
16:06:04 <m-relay> <h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> also you can setup onion and i2p
16:06:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And why we should 100% stop allowing admins on custom homeservers
16:07:18 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> hence why I suggested creating a new room where rules are strict and managable
16:07:33 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> translation room is already a ghost town
16:07:52 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> so nuke it and create a new one with a better logo
16:11:04 <vthor> "vthor doesnt have a high opinion on monero-python i think."  <- depends for what... Will read ater logs and the rest of the conversation
17:06:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nuking monero.social rooms is liable to break the whole homeserver
17:07:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The server state keeps windows restoring to historical states
17:13:11 <plowsof> monero community is currently on matrix dot org. moving that to monero social has been mentioned, but i wouldnt know what is involved 
17:15:38 <vthor> Well, yes monero-python is a) still working, b) mostly a (inclomplete wrapper around wallet-rpc) c) has some own crypto and appears to fine for use for offline stuff, only to figure out later it is only on the surface. It is archived. Source it self is great and I was about to extend some functionality, but then stopped because it's like pulling on a rope through the hole, you can't see the other side, and when I hit the need of hash_slow, I stoppen and 
17:15:40 <vthor> modified wallet-rpc instead. So, would not say low opinion, but also the use case for it IMO is restricted and not easily visible on starting using it. (I had after a short test the impression it could handle a lot more for offline wallets). And there is a weird issue with two seed(s) to same private key
17:16:29 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero community is on monero.social
17:19:31 <vthor> And just my 5 piconeros, I think development resouces should have a central place, how the topic of monero is already a heavy weight and complex. And monero-python, would not throw away, but who will maintain it and document it...?
17:39:41 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> how?
17:39:53 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^
17:40:39 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero-community literally reinstated old admins of deleted accounts
17:41:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats why sgp's magicgrants account is an admin (after he demoted himself and deleted the account and server)
17:41:32 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no ofrn, no one will listen to your conspiracy theories in the hope of fixing once and for all monero.social instance. Please keep your reasonable take and mindful suggestions out of our channels
17:43:23 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> we should trial with Monero Markets
17:43:29 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Since that room is totally broken af
17:44:09 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> yes