00:32:24 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Don't forget to like and subscribe 01:22:26 Hit that bell icon to be notified when i post new content 03:13:44 No we didn't get that far before things were derailed 09:13:41 Alright, and were the dropdown for the nav bar meant to be full page width, or as fit-to-content cards? 11:55:49 selsta: site deployed and DNS records updated 11:57:07 thank you 16:09:11 very cool, Diego Salazar the hero image isn't supposed to be animated, right? because I think it will make the web page bloated 16:09:38 also you are killing it redsh4de 🔥 16:10:32 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/CGSCGdGNtYXcLDSkFqXXLdeS 16:10:34 Diego Salazar why u created this icon? lol 16:11:49 visual consistency with other icons in the set i reckon, i put the og monero logo first but this flows better 16:12:40 yeah, but better keep the original monero logo 16:12:59 btw, have u looked into way to exit the hamburger menu on mobile? 16:13:15 mkdocs doesn't have any but astro starlight does 16:13:39 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/nazhGOtjTyEgWUrgcvrUOxvm 16:14:51 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/XIxBlhdbRSuhYwpexRsISMOq 16:15:04 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/hVyVciLPQwKjxfjBKSYPJgys 16:15:13 yea, currently if you just click outside of the hamburger menu it will close - i set a background layer which acts as a trigger 16:15:14 but i guess having a X button would be more intuitive 16:15:22 these designs were created by diego too, although the latter is broken lol 16:17:30 yeah, I keept checking made websites with good design practices, all include the X button. 16:17:53 yeah, I kept checking websites made with good design practices, all include the X button. 16:29:25 Hadn't decided. 16:29:38 Not animated, correct. 16:30:06 Correct 16:30:45 Oh yeah I've been meant to fix that for a while. 16:31:34 The thing that needs the most thinking through is the downloads page, I think. 16:31:46 Were you wanting the last milestone of my CCS? 16:32:15 I'd done enough work since long ago to claim the first two milestones, but I haven't done so yet b 16:34:07 I'd done enough work since long ago to claim the first two milestones, but I haven't done so yet. 16:34:12 A more complete design would def be helpful here yeah, especially for the missing pages, i am down to improvise something if you are too busy for the moment though 16:37:02 was thinking yesterday about best ways to layout the downloads too as we have a decent amount of wallet software, had ideas about doing something with cards/accordions but nothing too concrete. The official GUI wallet would definitely have to be at the forefront 16:37:02 Perhaps sub-pages or modals that contain more details about each wallet could be used, as pushing all info in one view would be too much visual clutter 16:39:21 I don't think the current download page is bad, per se. But I also don't think it's great. 16:41:55 Perhaps the information could be organized in tabs - desktop/mobile/hardware 16:43:10 it is not good, better have each wallet have its own card https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues/2162#issuecomment-2053775697 16:43:13 tabs could contain expandable accordion row items that follow a specific format, inside each - preview, small description, relevant links, tags? 16:43:24 tabs could contain expandable accordion row items for each wallet that follow a specific format, inside each - preview, small description, relevant links, tags? 16:43:28 just ideas 16:43:54 I also see projects which have a lot of wallets utilize a filter list 16:43:57 There's two sets of things. 16:43:58 Core stewarded or third party 16:44:00 Desktop or mobile 16:44:02 There can be others such as full node or light wallet, but we risk overcomplicating. 16:44:27 Well, it's not a risk. More than two primary categories and it does become overcomplicated. 16:44:37 I think voins wallet listing websites, bitcoin looks like an amazon https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet?step=5 lmao, eth too. Only ones that are doing kinda correctly are zcash and solana https://z.cash/ecosystem/?wallets=#tag-wallets and https://solana.com/solana-wallets 16:44:48 So it's a given. 16:44:51 but I still don't like how it looks 16:45:15 Yeah I don't think anyone has particularly got this correct. 16:45:53 Yeah both of these are close but something about the UX still seems too complex 16:46:40 innovation time sir 16:48:22 Core 16:48:22 cli 16:48:24 Gui 16:48:26 full - everything else 16:48:28 light - everytbing else 16:48:51 light wallets shouldnt be grouped with full wallets 16:49:40 But we dont need sections for desktop and mobile. 16:49:40 Cake, stack have desktop and mobile 16:49:42 Feather desktop only 16:49:44 monfluo mobile only 16:49:46 A matrix for this (as current) is fine 17:00:19 I think using Core, CLI, GUI as the main categories would be relatively confusing UX for anyone non-technical, those could be added as tags for each wallet item visually if we go for a platform-based seperation like Desktop/Mobile/Hardware for example 17:00:20 We could have cards with each wallet like in the Solana example, small description about each, and tags in it - the official Monero wallet is Desktop only, so it would go in the desktop section, and it could have tags like "Light", "Full" as it supports both functionalities. More info & download links could be added in a sub-page for example, trying to think of something that is r 17:00:22 eally easy to navigate and shows the user only what they want to see so the view is clean 17:02:06 I think using Core, CLI, GUI as the main categories would be relatively confusing UX for anyone non-technical, those could be added as tags for each wallet item visually if we go for a platform-based seperation like Desktop/Mobile/Hardware for example 17:02:06 We could have cards with each wallet like in the Solana example, small description about each, and tags in it - the official Monero wallet is Desktop only, so it would go in the desktop section, and it could have tags like "Light", "Full" as it supports both functionalities. The CLI could be under it, with the "CLI" tag for example. More info & download links could be added in a s 17:02:08 ub-page for example, trying to think of something that is really easy to navigate and shows the user only what they want to see so the view is clean 17:19:01 You misreas me 17:20:38 main categories: core, everything else 17:20:38 Under core: cli and gui 17:20:40 Under everuthig else: sub categories for full and light 17:20:42 under full: all of the full wallets in a platform support matrix 17:20:44 under light: all of the light wallets in a platform support matrix 17:21:19 The official monero wallet is not desktop only 17:21:36 It supports all platforms (except ios) 17:22:53 GUI and CLI are the "official" wallets of monero-project. CLI isnt just a wallet, it is the whole package that includes monerod etc. GUI also includes monerod, but isnt the full suite of tools 17:23:10 CLI also includes the rpc wallet 17:23:37 I do like having that Core and Community category seperation idea - would make arranging the core wallets that much easier 17:25:12 thats how it is today, and mostly because 1. they are monero-project (community) maintained repos (not personal or corporate projects) 2. they are the node 17:25:26 Its a downloads page, not necessarily a wallets page 17:25:57 u mean the cli? run on android with termux? 17:26:06 And at the forefront of the downloads is the node. Which happens to contain either cli or gui tools to interact with it 17:26:22 Yes, they ship android releases 17:31:01 That is true, but most people generally think of wallet software when they go to a cryptocurrency project's downloads page. I believe the Core / Community seperation definitely is good and should be kept, but it would be helpful to have some platform oriented organization within the wallets section at the very least. Although could also do with adding platform icons like it is the 17:31:02 re and call it a day, its something to experiment with thi 17:31:10 That is true, but most people generally think of wallet software when they go to a cryptocurrency project's downloads page. I believe the Core / Community seperation definitely is good and should be kept, but it would be helpful to have some platform oriented organization within the community section at the very least. Although could also do with adding platform icons like it is t 17:31:10 here and call it a day, its something to experiment with thi 17:32:16 try not editing message as it spam irc users in this room 17:35:24 atm our downloads page has a separate desktop and mobile view (i assume implemented incorrectly) so PR's to add / remove things involve editing raw html, using fingers to count open / closing brackets and not forgetting about the separate "mobile" view. this should instead be data in a file (yaml for e.g.) and then all the thinking is offloaded 17:35:24 onto a for loop that generates the different sections 17:42:42 Astro can easily handle that part on build time 17:44:16 liquid can too but these things get neglected or forgotten about. another issue being not using ccs2 (iirc) standards - instead ther is 1 giant css file that is used as a public toilet 17:44:42 s/ccs2/css2 0_o 17:57:09 in this version i have one global.css file, which only contains CSS variables for font sizes, spacing, colors which are then used across all other components, each components have their own styles defined as well, but all components use the single source of truth for general things like colors 17:57:10 easier to later update colors or font sizes or something, dont have to grep every instance where 16px or something is defined for a text, big maintainability upgrade 18:58:29 i suggest moving to css2, as nothing is easier with 1 giant ccs file https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/blob/master/css/custom.css 19:45:26 wont be the case here - what i mean is globals only specifies the common/most used variables so that they can be reused 19:45:32 every component has it's own stylesheet 19:46:22 in a sense every component has its own css but within the .astro component itself 19:50:51 know all too well how painful it is when everything for every part of the site is just dumped in a single bucket and then you have to dig through it 19:56:40 rando mobile sidebar updated 20:23:13 yeah, that's why plowsof started using irc after going too deep into monero-site source code. 20:25:30 Whatv 20:26:07 I dont get the joke 🥲 20:27:48 he started getting older 20:28:44 yesteday he was talking about robux 20:39:21 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Monero AOL room when ?