00:04:55 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/cypherstack.com/BFlLKRmXyUasUziQaDIpWEwm.jpg (isabella-monero-illustration-v3.jpg) 00:04:58 this one is a more paintery style 00:07:27 I'll be honest, I like the painters style. It gives things an analog type feel that other coins / sites don't have. 00:07:36 And we're trying to be "cash". Very tactile. Very analog. 00:19:59 @basses:matrix.org: She is literally not sexualized at all? 00:22:50 How about we use a different image for localized website 00:23:14 Nioc can have a cat theme for the nioc localization 00:25:32 who here remembers Monero Cat? 00:26:49 The main thing i don't like about this, is the ledger and trezor > <@diego:cypherstack.com> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/cypherstack.com/BFlLKRmXyUasUziQaDIpWEwm.jpg (isabella-monero-illustration-v3.jpg) 00:26:52 https://cryptopop.net/who-is-monero-cat-episode-3-cryptopop/ 00:27:10 ah yes, we should make a Kastelo wallet ;) 00:27:20 Enclosure* lmao 00:27:56 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/cypherstack.com/pzqueMsgvUEGEetXYYWuuqeE.png (image.png) 00:28:00 This direction mebbe 00:28:35 KnifeofPi once coded up an idea of mine of using the random numbers on each block to generate a unique piece of art per Monero block 00:28:44 this was before AI art became prevalent 00:29:54 I can't find his github. He may have completely disappeared. Sadge. 06:55:44 https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/833jkv/an_upcoming_monero_project_render_the_entire/ 06:55:46 https://imgur.com/a/EvDtU 07:08:59 <321bob321> inception 08:16:33 it literally is, this reply is even a proof that it perhaps differs from a culture to another. I don't know how you even came up with this illustration when you know that monero community is very large diverse. > <@diego:cypherstack.com> She is literally not sexualized at all? 08:18:15 unnecessary as now we will judge what culture prefers having a sexualized image on their home page. > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> How about we use a different image for localized website 08:27:02 It is possible to display different images based on the page locale, and i think should be done > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> How about we use a different image for localized website 08:27:02 Cultural differences are important to account for 08:48:54 Imo the concept of a character itself could be kept, as a mascot definitely adds something to the page, but perhaps adjusted to be more formal for select locales. No exposed midriff, calf-length skirt / baggy pants, extended sleeves until the wrists - something of that sort, so the mascot gives more "fintech professional" vibe [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/ka_Juc8KM1kzd2pz ] 08:52:16 @redsh4de:matrix.org: mby even fully non-human... someone mentioned a Monero Cat, although i dont know about anthropomorphic animals if its considered "eh" 08:53:45 creating a mascot for wouldn't be an easy thing tbh. 08:56:10 @redsh4de:matrix.org: I don't mind animals or any non-human characters, anthropomorphic animals is probably something in 1910s and look very weird today's standard where everyone like cute and simple illustrations. 08:56:39 see zig, rust, Go 08:57:26 zig do have a lil dino guy on their main 08:57:26 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/vXjwaJMCCEvcknbsVsCHbEdE.png (image.png) 08:57:36 mby smth more akin to that style 08:57:37 also https://proton.me/blog/product-updates/lumo 08:59:45 dont mind that at all either - would just have to figure how to efficiently mirror the story of the image with the wallet choice, aquiring coins & spending, so it complements the right side well 08:59:59 I see dino mascots is very popular, what we could add to make it look different from others and has some sort of story relevant to Monero, see https://proton.me/blog/lumo-design 09:11:59 <321bob321> Cats for nioc 09:17:49 lumo cat looks so good 09:20:21 also nheko for some reason deleted 1 year worth of chat in this room 09:25:11 <321bob321> For security and privacy reasons 09:26:09 for dumb reasons, I hate just using element to see this chat 09:33:47 @redsh4de:matrix.org https://gomakethings.com/css-only-solutions-are-not-accessible/ 09:35:47 this is the broken link at end of article https://kelpui.com/docs/components/subnav/#enhanced-functionality 09:46:20 Kelp uses JS for interactivity 09:47:17 without JS there will always be some little tradeoff - fwiw the current dropdown behaviour is also present on the current site 09:49:59 @redsh4de:matrix.org: getmonero.org? 09:50:16 yes, like the language dropdown 09:50:48 @redsh4de:matrix.org: Maybe can try using the popover traits? They are relatively very new though 09:50:57 https://caniuse.com/?search=popover 09:51:45 should be fine if we target latest browser versions though 09:51:47 very new, Safari is always very slow 09:52:16 unless they are the one to come up with new implementation of a spec 09:56:32 https://getmonero-redesign-impl.vercel.app/ 09:56:49 so I can easily find it 10:22:55 will also need to use anchor positioning for the popover, and that is even a newer thing > <@basses:matrix.org> very new, Safari is always very slow 10:22:56 https://caniuse.com/css-anchor-positioning 10:36:39 wouldnt work on ESR/Tor Browser out of the box 11:43:17 dont use gzip for ourwebsite https://www.breachattack.com/ 11:44:28 Thats just Vercel iirc 11:44:57 i'd use beta.monerodevs.org as the proper deployment example 11:45:22 @redsh4de:matrix.org: it doesn't use gzip 11:45:28 from website scan 11:46:38 oh word just checked, thought it would be the other way around 11:46:46 vercel uses brotli 11:48:28 cc @plowsof:matrix.org 11:51:09 @redsh4de:matrix.org: I think it accepts multiple? Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate, br, zstd from your website 11:53:36 but it is not showing content-encoding for some reason 11:54:25 saw reddit comment saying brotli like u said 11:54:49 sucks as this is the best modern way, but literally too new to work on Tor/ESR :/ > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> wouldnt work on ESR/Tor Browser out of the box 11:55:22 can make it a github issue, put in some reference code that works - and then later in the future replace when anchor is available on ESR 11:55:32 hopefully wouldnt take longer than a year 11:55:51 @basses:matrix.org: oh checked another request and it is br 12:00:38 we can set webserver to serve brotli 12:00:39 only 12:03:29 can we also remove the image "Start using Monero" for now until we find a suitable one for every one 12:03:41 i read everything and pretend not to if i have nothing valid to say 12:05:20 nothing from me >plowsof (192.169.4.20) 12:05:24 thanks 12:05:39 xD 12:06:54 I dont understand "Eliminate render-blocking resources" here https://tools.keycdn.com/speed?h=6932c92942c4226f1c0a6a82 12:07:49 It's complaining that the .css is served as a seperate file instead of being inlined 12:09:30 weird 12:16:54 we should also enable DNSSEC 12:18:14 but I read that there are people against it 12:49:10 +1 > <@diego:cypherstack.com> I'll be honest, I like the painters style. It gives things an analog type feel that other coins / sites don't have. 12:49:51 @basses:matrix.org: what's the case for not using DNSSEC? the misconfig meaning instance outage concerns? 13:06:04 @redsh4de:matrix.org: "being government controlled" 13:16:43 and not an expert in anyway with this matter, perhaps someone here can elaborate 13:44:44 .merge+ 2402 13:44:44 Added 14:41:01 @basses:matrix.org: Wait till they find out who controls the authoritative root servers xD 14:45:24 @redsh4de:matrix.org: yep, double standards 14:45:34 icann controls everything 14:45:47 you are basically just renting 14:54:13 I finally restored all messages in this room, thanks to clear-timeline command in nheko client 14:54:48 element electron craps suck 17:13:54 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/cypherstack.com/pmdvYXCHMiWqKoIOKVikKbqT.png (image.png) 17:13:55 we could go super conceptual 17:14:27 @basses:matrix.org ^ ehhhhh? 17:15:02 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/cypherstack.com/ymrYtdltvetNZoYmYwPRwvkx.png (image.png) 18:36:37 i specifically like the story told by the original pic that complements the 3 steps on the right, that is really good and should be kept imo 18:40:49 I agree 18:43:24 looks good, but have you tried some non-human illustrations, irrc most of art your done is human-like. > <@diego:cypherstack.com> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/cypherstack.com/pmdvYXCHMiWqKoIOKVikKbqT.png (image.png) 18:46:24 I mean I can, yes. 18:46:43 But humans really ground a cypherpunk concept like Monero. 18:52:37 fwiw the current page also is filled w/ a lot of human centric illustrations (and i agree on the cypherpunk part), but the cultural differences point is fair and should b accounted for 18:52:37 i think just making a second version w/ a non-human character (same story & artstyle) and using it on select locales is a good way to address that 18:54:31 isabella is the spiritual equivalent of monero-chan and she is the official unofficial monero mascot at this point... had a fleeting idea of community vote for a mascot or smth mby 18:55:06 @redsh4de:matrix.org: > second version w/ a non-human character (same story & artstyle) and using it on select locales is a good way to address that 18:55:06 for how many locales and how you are sure that default locale is the right one to have this mascot? 18:55:40 @basses:matrix.org: 6-7 locale ids 18:55:41 this is much better than the non-official knock off monerochan > <@diego:cypherstack.com> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/cypherstack.com/pmdvYXCHMiWqKoIOKVikKbqT.png (image.png) 18:55:51 @basses:matrix.org: it's not even monero chan 18:56:28 @diego:cypherstack.com: knock off 18:57:04 i do think its a nice nod 18:57:05 Isabella the Monero Girl has been a thing since like 2018 18:57:20 She is one of the few officially supported Sticker packs in Matrix after I submitted her there 18:57:50 https://txcity.io/v/xmr-btc 18:57:56 She's the representative in txstreet 18:58:29 word just looked it up, even better 18:58:38 mby just a more modest version then? 18:58:49 parka version 18:59:39 created by Cypher Stack 18:59:44 will take off the skirt and make the pants baggier 18:59:47 @basses:matrix.org: troo 19:00:07 https://redlib.catsarch.com/r/Monero/comments/f5myj2/introducing_isabella_the_monero_girl_sticker_pack/ 19:00:07 https://cypherstack.com/isabella-monero-girl-stickers.html 19:00:10 this 19:00:36 She's CC bro 19:00:48 there are no other versions than this one, right? 19:01:10 @basses:matrix.org: no other versions of what? 19:02:13 The TX Street guy used her and I didn't care. She's CC. 19:02:14 @diego:cypherstack.com: "Isabella the Monero Girl" 19:02:32 @basses:matrix.org: There is. TX Street. 19:02:51 @diego:cypherstack.com: it looks similar but south park version 19:03:22 it's literally her. The creator said so. 19:03:42 https://x.com/txstreetCom/status/1384250622564659203 19:05:56 2020 you mean? > <@diego:cypherstack.com> Isabella the Monero Girl has been a thing since like 2018 19:06:20 @basses:matrix.org: one of those yeah 19:08:16 https://cypherstack.com/isabella-monero-girl-stickers.html 19:08:16 there's also a fox dude in there 19:08:17 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/kjpuBwCeMyqQHffsjIjStjWs.png (image.png) 19:08:41 all of this is a ruse to drive traffic to the cypher stack website 19:08:43 options, options... cat, fox, smth else :D 19:09:08 i think this is smth maybe to put up to a community poll for the new website? Like Libreoffice did a few years back 19:09:32 @diego:cypherstack.com: still I don't see how it became a "monero thing", being used on TX Street still not doesn't change anything, statistics wise, monerochan is more popular, it was added to Mysu wallet. 19:09:50 @basses:matrix.org: yeah but people will not like monerochan, as you stated 19:09:54 on the official site 19:10:20 Isabella is a happy medium, having some precedent, not super sexualized, and brings a human component to the site. 19:11:23 <321bob321> Do we have to pay royalties to cypherstack ? 19:11:36 CC by 4.0, ye? 19:11:39 yeah fox dude makes more sense even mentioned in their own announcement https://cypherstack.com/isabella-monero-girl-stickers.html > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/kjpuBwCeMyqQHffsjIjStjWs.png (image.png) 19:11:39 > A fox lends itself well to the colors of Monero, and we still might utilize this idea at some point 19:11:39 To me it feels like some person at CS wanted to create a sticker packer with monero style color. 19:11:58 @redsh4de:matrix.org: ye boi 19:12:04 @321bob321: Creative Commons 19:12:25 @basses:matrix.org: and they liked isabella as a concept 19:12:44 doesn't mean we are forced to use it and put it on monero website. 19:13:17 @basses:matrix.org: obviously 19:13:33 I put this illustration forth as an option for usage 19:13:54 @basses:matrix.org: Hi, yes. That person was me. I run CS. I made the decisions. P 19:14:19 Monero Chan is also in Stack Wallet. > <@basses:matrix.org> still I don't see how it became a "monero thing", being used on TX Street still not doesn't change anything, statistics wise, monerochan is more popular, it was added to Mysu wallet. 19:14:20 that's why im asking for something that fits everyone (inclusive). 19:14:27 I should add Isabella there too actually 19:15:11 <321bob321> She looks under age 19:15:19 <321bob321> She have ID ? 19:15:36 An animal mascot is unserious. I wouldn't want it on Monero's home page. 19:15:58 Abstract would have to be the direction, but we lose the human/grounding element, which is bad. 19:15:59 we actually shouldn't even add any character from other companies which might imply endorsment or advocation on monero website 19:16:05 Like, it doesn't have to be Isabella. Duh. 19:16:11 But I would argue for human. 19:16:37 what about a more cartoony version? less curves, like in this image. although then the "seriousness" argument can be raised > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/kjpuBwCeMyqQHffsjIjStjWs.png (image.png) 19:16:44 id def want the design to be inclusive 19:16:57 @basses:matrix.org: even it is CC or whatever 19:16:58 humanity argument makes sense too 19:17:07 We can give Isabella a mastectomy, yes 19:17:22 what about just monero-chan. Please think of the weebs 19:17:41 elongate her shirt, take away the skirt and baggy the pants, take away the boobs so people don't have to remember that women have boobs 19:17:44 monero website has always been neutral even in its choice of wallets, always gave options for users to pick 19:17:50 <321bob321> @syntheticbird: Wb 19:18:36 <321bob321> @diego:cypherstack.com: Make her a swimmer 19:18:47 @syntheticbird: i raise the seriousness and inclusiveness card, i think isabella is a nice neutralish nod to it while not leaning fully into the kawaii desu aesthetic 19:19:09 I don't why you insist on it being Isabella... 19:19:35 @basses:matrix.org: monero website not making an Halloween version is crazy to me 19:19:35 @basses:matrix.org: I literally said it didn't have to be 19:19:49 What's non-inclusive about a flat, more 'modestly' dressed isabella? 19:19:55 @syntheticbird: the new website is literally halloween themed bruh 19:20:00 you have several shifting goal posts here 19:20:15 @basses:matrix.org: where are the bats and pumpkins? 19:20:25 @syntheticbird: fake 19:20:30 shit 19:20:43 always we accept treats in xmr only 19:20:44 <321bob321> Also batman cert expires on 15th dec 19:20:59 bro that's good 19:21:04 batman goes public domain then? 19:21:09 @basses:matrix.org: i see. how about i turn you into a halloween decoration. I'm sure having your head stuffed in a pumpkin will make some good to your thinking 19:21:11 if so we can use him instead 19:21:34 mickey mouse steamboat willy is public domain, let's use that 19:21:44 ok this was supposed to be joke but that really reads like im threatening you so forget what i said. 19:21:53 @diego:cypherstack.com: gigachad? 19:22:37 how about having isabella and a multiverse button on the side so that the website reload with random theme 19:22:37 ultimate monero dev form? 19:23:10 actually the placeholder just pulls an image from Nano banana on refresh 19:23:21 @basses:matrix.org: epic 19:23:24 monero joins the ai slop trend 2026 19:23:30 masterful gambit 19:23:39 <321bob321> This talk is too advanced for me 19:23:49 @321bob321: then step forward whats wrong with you 19:24:04