00:40:45 page update - tried simplifying the terminology to not be as intimidating, and added a indirect link from exchanges to the downloads page 00:40:54 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/tPaCKOvyRwyoeNaIxUqAMslW.png (image.png) 00:42:15 When you click on the community downloads link from this paragraph in the exchanges page, it will highlight all of the wallets that have a "built-in exchange" tag 00:42:17 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/nEHDijCmzGOOyvzfjlagxFMI.png (image.png) 00:42:52 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/ZGwvNlfcpdEwXBpxKYMkgOUG.png (image.png) 00:43:32 that'll happen only from that paragraph in the exchange page, opens in a new tab 00:43:32 p cool mechanic to have 00:44:48 In general, the omd descriptions were better > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> page update - tried simplifying the terminology to not be as intimidating, and added a indirect link from exchanges to the downloads page 00:45:00 Example: basicswaps description is now incorrect 00:45:45 Dumbing down the descriptions is in good faith, but is misleading 00:46:46 How would u phrase it so its still dumbed down? 00:46:51 Like basicswaps "from your wallet, No central account" 00:46:51 All dexes havs no central account. 00:46:51 All dexes have wallets 00:46:51 basicswap doesnt allow you to swap from an external wallet 00:48:22 The old description of 00:48:22 "a decentralized and trustless atomic swap exchange etc etc" made the most sense 00:50:49 And eigenwallet new description makes it sound like its a wallet with atomic swaps built in, when its always been a btc-xmr atomic swap service, that has a wallet built in 00:51:30 Eigenwallet do market themselves as a wallet now 00:51:32 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/EifXhrgFApFBpvGzETrpSZMz.png (image.png) 00:51:35 (the atomic swaps arent an after thought, its the main attraction and has been for years. Just recently the name changed) 00:51:57 @redsh4de:matrix.org: They were called unstoppableswap for like 4years. Name changed like 3 months ago 00:53:09 M point is, US / eigen had like 30btc worth of liqudity. Its THE most liquid atomic swap service for monero 00:53:23 And really, nobody (yet) uses it as a wallet 00:57:11 Basicswap and retoswap also have built in wallets, but eigenwallet moved away from monero-wallet-rpc and coded up a wallet2 rust version and made the ui more wallet-like. 00:57:11 If even describe it as 00:57:11 "A highly liquid platform to atomic swaps btc into xmr". Remember, this is exchanges page. Ppl arent looking for cake wallet 00:58:05 example. You could liat cake wallet like "a wallet that aggregates various swap providers".. this is what it sounds like to refer to eigenwallet as such 00:58:46 Eigen isnt just some wallet that has ability to swap coins, its the premier btc->xmr atomic swap playform 01:01:47 eigen "monero wallet app with built in btc->xmr swaps" 01:01:47 cake "monero wallet app with built in crypto->xmr swaps" 01:01:47 see how this doesnt make sense? Eigen is in a whole different category than just a wallet that has built in swaps 01:06:28 I also don't like the change from "decentralized exchanges and atomic swaps" to "peer to peer exchanges" 01:08:18 Even "Decentralized and peer-to-peer exchanges" might be better. The word decentralized should remain. 07:54:08 True, makes sense to have a different description based on the page context that it is in > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Basicswap and retoswap also have built in wallets, but eigenwallet moved away from monero-wallet-rpc and coded up a wallet2 rust version and made the ui more wallet-like. 08:12:08 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I'd keep "Decentralized Exchanges" as the title then, and then expand a bit on what type each exchange is in it's description 11:39:34 a lot of visual distractions > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/ZGwvNlfcpdEwXBpxKYMkgOUG.png (image.png) 11:41:07 what would you suggest 11:45:34 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/lfRdauFIVdthTORptQzJhghT.png (image.png) 11:48:20 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/MzyFeMtlopgIsITjolKBVZUb.png (image.png) 11:55:01 @redsh4de:matrix.org: this, is the reason for being highlighted that some users might find it concerning for privacy? 11:55:57 I haven't kept up with chat after the image diego posted... same thing 12:24:46 here, it contextually highlights the relevant items when navigating from the exchanges page > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> When you click on the community downloads link from this paragraph in the exchanges page, it will highlight all of the wallets that have a "built-in exchange" tag 12:25:23 and only from that specific paragraph link - won't be higlighted by default 12:30:59 idea is as such: User goes to exchanges, wants to find the easiest way to swap into Monero. 12:30:59 Under the swap aggregators section, there is a paragraph that some Monero wallets also contain built-in swap functionality. 12:30:59 User clicks on the hyperlink that links to the community downloads page, which contains a target attribute that highlights the specific wallets the exchanges page was talking about - i.e. all wallets with the "Built-in exchange" tag 12:31:37 example of the paragraph here > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/nEHDijCmzGOOyvzfjlagxFMI.png (image.png) 12:31:49 then I guess this makes more sense? > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/MzyFeMtlopgIsITjolKBVZUb.png (image.png) 12:33:44 bruh > <@diego:cypherstack.com> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/cypherstack.com/hJbrSeumGlpHLkeclitZluRE.png (image.png) 12:34:34 still sexualized 12:35:03 also her face looks different in each position 12:36:00 Yeah prob going with that, it will also scroll down to the first matching item on mobile > <@basses:matrix.org> then I guess this makes more sense? 12:36:51 @basses:matrix.org: What changes would make it more acceptable? 12:40:16 @redsh4de:matrix.org: I hoped it was a different character as it makes more sense. If I no options other than to improve this character, I would made her flat and more 'done' like the first one on the right, the other two looks rough copy of it. 12:41:45 Yea its def a draft still 12:55:42 what is logic here? > <@ofrnxmr> Personally, it hurts my brain when things arent sorted logically 12:57:05 this can be ddosed? unless you can shuffle order without js and without being served randomised output from server for each request > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> thats doable too :D 12:57:58 see https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/are-privacy-guides-recommendations-ordered/16912/4 13:11:38 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/YOZEsdybGfxWfygmTuqshjXN.png (clipboard.png) 13:12:24 the split button needs a bit more space so it is noticeable, also it should be empty space no a colored line 13:19:50 Wont be possible to ddos, as the randomization would be done only on compile on the website - as its static > <@basses:matrix.org> this can be ddosed? unless you can shuffle order without js and without being served randomised output from server for each request 13:23:50 abc...xyz > <@basses:matrix.org> what is logic here? 13:24:00 alphabetical 14:55:49 What? How? > <@basses:matrix.org> still sexualized 14:57:35 The other two aren't finished yes. They're being painted. But I wanted to show the art first. 15:07:25 @diego:cypherstack.com: I said in the same paragraph 15:17:20 Yeah I scrolled down a bit and saw. 15:17:32 Bruh, Imma be blunt, you kinda wack 15:19:32 sure.. im the one that is weird lmao 15:20:12 it's haram 15:20:31 💯 15:24:51 rando can send a pic thats acceptable for religious locales 15:26:22 @basses:matrix.org: I don't think anyone else here cares? So yes? 15:27:36 @diego:cypherstack.com: you mean care about the image or what blunt sir?/ 15:28:23 Yes, nobody cares about the imae 15:28:42 I identify as "anyone else" 15:29:56 exactly, because you guys think about yourselves and not million visitors monero site gets yearly. You are not designing the monero website for you to visit only. 15:30:38 i mean some islamic schools forbid all kinds of illustrations of living beings, animals and humans (something about imitating Gods creation, dont remember rn) 15:30:59 to play it safe, we can go with the option of not rendering the side image at all for select locales 15:31:29 i think the current one works well imo 15:31:43 @basses:matrix.org: Didn't we say we can put different image for different locale? 15:31:56 Or that ^ 15:32:09 This isnt an islamic website > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> i mean some islamic schools forbid all kinds of illustrations of living beings, animals and humans (something about imitating Gods creation, dont remember rn) 15:32:22 So honestly idgaf what any religion forbids 15:32:26 Monero isnt religious 15:33:14 Even if i was a muslim or christian etc, monero doesnt conform to my beliefs (and shouldnt) 15:33:20 Thats what beldex is for 15:34:46 @basses:matrix.org: must be talking about yourself, cuz u want monero website to fit your world view 15:42:32 yh, just for the sake of the argument > <@ofrnxmr> This isnt an islamic website 15:45:57 i think going all the way to fully accomodate every single possible culture is a slippery slope, but finding some middle ground is not unreasonable 15:45:57 the latest image diego sent works quite well as that imo 15:47:44 @redsh4de:matrix.org: its haram 15:48:49 @redsh4de:matrix.org: Its not a slippery slope, its absolutely retarded. 15:49:28 There's no middle ground, as monero isnt a religious. Its simply about being professional, not about complying with any religion 15:52:01 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/tTrmjNWoYlUmIRwNLgHCScxX.jpg (17654683528944496133074892730441.jpg) 15:52:06 well tbh if the issue with the 2nd image is just that the girl has breasts (as do all) i think thats a non-issue globally speaking 15:52:12 @ofrnxmr: Is this also sexualized? 15:52:52 @redsh4de:matrix.org: Omg, women have breasts. Chop em off, asap. Get her a top surgery 15:52:59 also @diego:cypherstack.com while i have u here, any design input from your side on my exchange page mockup? 16:21:22 The design is fine, but not really scalable if Monero gets a bunch more exchanges. That said, we can cross that bridge if we ever come to it with a redesign (we're nowhere close and won't be for a long time) 16:39:14 @diego:cypherstack.com: tbf, we dont list every exchange (note mexc and gate are missing) 19:51:17 <321bob321> So we don't get sued when they block exiting 21:35:26 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/cypherstack.com/gSMiAJZIvxluAsOgfUPFdOGT.png (image.png) 21:35:30 finished illustration? 21:40:47 lgtm, what about the paintery style u mentioned to make it more analog looking? 21:49:25 @diego:cypherstack.com: what kind of layout would be more scalable? id want to future-proof the new site from the get go 21:55:23 @diego:cypherstack.com: got a version with transparency? 21:55:38 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/cypherstack.com/VbLdNNfoIzvRPkGiAOjwYALj.png (image.png) 21:55:55 oh that's not the transparent version :P 21:56:02 that's with some screen glow 21:56:06 getting transparent version 21:56:19 :P i still don't like the ledger & trezor. Rest LGTM > <@diego:cypherstack.com> finished illustration? 21:56:23 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/cypherstack.com/xPPSDDOJNLOLNNKKTtuXkKFY.png (image.png) 21:56:44 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: yes, the ancillary stuff is secondary and will be worked on after human 22:32:40 Deployed image on preview: https://beta.monerodevs.org 22:32:40 Exchanges page: https://beta.monerodevs.org/get-started/exchanges/