12:24:35 @diego:cypherstack.com: any new additions to the figma design to expect from you in the coming days? or the opengraph thumbnail images 12:51:58 something as simple as this for the merchants page? 12:52:07 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/VAtdqlqrfocUbqGgBzJIHZhJ.png (image.png) 12:59:04 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/zteypyvJvipyWlCbNDwIaGnF.png (image.png) 13:32:10 i'd add xmrbazaar ans potentially remove cryptwerk 13:32:21 I dont remember what the issue with crypt was, let me dbl check 13:34:42 And add kycnot.me (https://kycnot.me/?currency-mode=or¤cies=xmr) with monero filter 13:36:21 https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues/2403 13:36:21 not sure why this was closed though 13:38:10 Maybe meant to be closed as "not planned" 13:38:25 (So leave cryptwerk up ) 13:39:25 I'd also list their onion addresses where applicable (only monerica has one atm) 13:40:48 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: http://67w4f46nfrfigohl4ypgpo7cjnftl57rorha3zmn4xkll5jvmi6mi4qd.onion/ <- monerica 14:15:29 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/fqPIYEKwTryXtqdzGozNJGyj.png (image.png) 14:15:36 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: 14:18:50 kycnot me also has a onion, added that in for exchanges section too 14:22:50 kycnot, cryptwerk, and monerica are all directories. Xmrbazaar is both a directory and classifieds. 14:22:50 I might also consider a second section for gift cards/vouchers (up for discussion): 14:22:50 * https://digitalgoods.proxysto.re/en - official retailer for vouchers of various services, like tuta and proton[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/vfPC49EKc2pZa3V5 ] 14:23:35 @redsh4de:matrix.org: Looks good, but i'd put the onion on the left (for consistency), and preferrably find a square monerica logo 14:37:47 doesnt look like there's a square one 14:37:47 can also just do this for now, same way they set their favicon 14:37:51 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/dpHWwUEZFHsCRDZIRNnbDhXg.png (image.png) 14:58:02 Not with C3 coming, I'm afraid. Got my hands pretty full. > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> @diego:cypherstack.com: any new additions to the figma design to expect from you in the coming days? or the opengraph thumbnail images 15:49:19 merchants page deployed: https://beta.monerodevs.org/get-started/merchants/ 15:53:07 Kycnot onion link should be 15:53:07 http://kycnotmezdiftahfmc34pqbpicxlnx3jbf5p7jypge7gdvduu7i6qjqd.onion/?currency-mode=or¤cies=xmr 15:53:07 and 16:00:18 for not listing kycnot me under cryptwerk, the issue was they didnt have a correct subcategory for it, https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/ and monerica.com , xmrbazaar , https://kycnot.me/?currency-mode=or¤cies=xmr is showing vps/vpn and SMS merchants , but with exchanges and aggregators 16:01:25 is that the only "remove cryptwerk" issue 🤔 16:03:22 @redsh4de:matrix.org: Why is Anonero top 1 community wallet when it's single platform and doesn’t work without Tor? 16:03:39 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/unredacted.org/YvHzrufXfQbUxYOPXZCSNElg.png (image.png) 16:03:41 consequences of alphabetical sorting 16:05:27 @rottenwheel:unredacted.org: translation: Cake employee says #1 should be cake 16:05:59 or rather, monero.com since thats the only dual platform community monero-only app 16:06:52 @plowsof:matrix.org: No, it has gam-bling too 16:07:24 does monerica still list drugs/porn/gambling 16:07:31 lol 16:07:39 First wallet visitor goes to is Tor-only and Android-only. Hm. 16:07:39 Moving that somewhere down the line, make it a custom alphabetical sorting... but you do you. 16:08:03 Sending a visitor to an only-one-platform, Tor-only wallet sounds... not ideal, nor user-friendly. 16:08:04 yes, clicking a dead link as first impression for a noob sucks 16:08:08 plowsof: Thats racist 16:08:28 plowsof: Anonero link should probably be an onion button 16:08:30 @redsh4de:matrix.org: Time for a custom alphabetical sorting! 🥳 16:08:52 plowsof: Anything wrong with any of those? Monero the orthodox religion. Sins! 16:08:54 @rottenwheel:unredacted.org: Yes, use qwerty /s. this idiot 16:08:59 We can sort by platform availability as primary, alphabetical secondary if there are multiple in the same group 16:08:59 Order would be as such 16:08:59 monero-only: monero.com | feather wallet | anonero | monerujo | monfluo[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/ttDH5tEKa042N3BU ] 16:09:21 @redsh4de:matrix.org: Nacj 16:09:23 Nack 16:09:51 due to potential astroturfing complaints? 16:10:00 yes 16:10:28 @redsh4de:matrix.org: I can think of one already... monero.com is for-profit, has the dreadful .com domain. 16:10:43 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: fwiw if the sorting metrics are visible in the code and not biased towards any specific org (availability -> alphabet), i think that doesn't apply 16:10:52 feather wallet | anonero | monfluo | monero.com | monerujo 16:10:55 Something like that... 16:11:28 @redsh4de:matrix.org: but yeah, if both from the same company are first in both categories someone def would complain regardless 16:11:45 random ordering at deploy so everyone is equally unhappy 16:11:51 just sayin 16:12:02 KISS, alphabetical is fine just put an onion icon on anoeros link 16:16:21 rottenwheel "Anything wrong with any of those? Monero the orthodox religion. Sins!" not religious, but surely they are not linking "drugs" (DNM?) - i can only see the testing kit site which is fine 16:16:44 no they listed a pharmacy or smthn 16:17:57 (Not any dnm) 16:19:42 plowsof: I haven't checked to be honest, probably not. (??) 16:23:07 ah ok, it was from this comment https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2398#issuecomment-2439697324 16:25:51 here is the add kyc not me to merchants PR: https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2406 16:29:27 I dont think there have been any valid complaints about cryptwerk? 16:29:52 (Also havent heard any testimonials either) 16:30:14 But its been there for years w/o a complaint 16:33:24 remove it and see who complains? 😳 16:34:32 are they being racist to cakepay? https://cryptwerk.com/companies/giftcards/xmr/ 16:43:36 latest comment in #monero makes me think its worthwhile also highlighting eigenwallet as a user friendly option 16:44:24 seems like it is, download client binary, deposit btc, swap into xmr... nothing more than that 16:47:51 they even have a "Buy Monero with fiat" option through DFX built in 16:59:24 @redsh4de:matrix.org: sort of 16:59:38 But yes, in general, atomic swaps are very user friendly 16:59:56 (Since they are trustless) 17:00:27 i downloaded it to test, seems simple enough 17:00:27 they even have a startup guide for absolute beginners 17:00:31 basicswap isnt as user friendly as eigen for 1 main reason: basicswap requires that you download/sync blockchains (it does this automatically) 17:00:53 But once running, they are as simple as trocador 17:01:00 faster than swappers 17:01:11 Less likely (0% chance) to be held pending kyc 17:01:51 The main issue is they they are software. Swappers are just websites, so no installation needed 17:03:12 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Swappers are currently requiring 10-50 confirmations before processing the swap 17:03:42 Eigen and basicswap are like 1 btc conf and 2-4 monero confs 17:04:55 updated the page to highlight eigen as a user friendly DEX option + marked that it supports fiat purchases due to the DFX swiss integration 17:05:02 I'd definitely say eigen is much more noob friendly than retoswap when it comes to turning btc into xmr 17:05:49 @redsh4de:matrix.org: Aye.. thats not decentralized or p2p tho :P 17:05:49 maybe add a ¹ yo the fiat and a footnote that says its centralized 17:06:05 yea added (KYC required) to the fiat section 17:06:17 its not kyc tho 17:06:34 DFX swiss requires kyc, right? 17:06:45 Under 1000 or smthn, you have to put your payment details but no id requirwments 17:06:57 @redsh4de:matrix.org: Cake advertises it at no kyc 17:07:19 I dont think they request ID 17:09:21 yeah, no id until a certain point but they still ask for customer info - name, address, etc 17:09:27 still counts as know your customer imo 17:10:53 Do they ask for that id or do they just obtain it because you're sending them a payment? 17:11:11 because if it's the latter, then reto is the same thing. 17:11:42 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: For that info* 17:22:04 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: They ask you to fill out a form before you can purchase 17:22:08 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/ZyogvOuuItVzqgxNNiZlLutx.png (image.png) 17:22:39 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/FQmzqKjlOIXqqCtqxvLkOUXX.png (image.png) 17:24:48 would keep it as (requires KYC) is as they outright prompt the user to "Complete KYC" 17:28:41 You have to do this for haveno too afaik > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> They ask you to fill out a form before you can purchase 17:29:02 @redsh4de:matrix.org: Well i guess this says in big bold ketters "kyc" 17:29:29 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: To prevent "3rd party payments" 17:29:37 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: id keep it mainly due to that 17:29:55 Agree 17:30:22 Maybe it changed. I remember it being advertised as no-kyc 17:30:44 Ive obv never used dfx 17:37:07 changes live on page + onion icon in the footer 17:38:01 with this, the flow for the "Start using Monero" section on the index page can be considered complete 17:38:12 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/mDqMmZivQArOTvJxQfLmyIjp.png (image.png) 17:47:02 "to get the right wallet" -> "to find the right wallet" 17:47:02 maybe "send monero" -> "spend monero"? 17:47:36 makes ense 18:43:12 pushed the changes + improved UX for mobile exchange filters: if a item is selected from the filters, a subtitle will be added showing what's kind of category is being highlighted 18:43:42 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/QUNIeKVJytdowQiANjVKeFSD.png (image.png) 18:43:52 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/TshudqBCshFlQMpAsZFDsVUJ.png (image.png) 18:55:43 Doing god's work 18:55:50 looks fantastic 18:57:03 ill prob take a week long break after polishing the current state lmao 18:57:07 spent way more time on this than i had planned 18:58:55 @syntheticbird: Also very fast 18:59:22 But that might just be because plowsof didnt cheap out and buy the slowest vps like core did (im joking) 19:00:24 beta.monerodevs.org @plowsof:matrix.org can you pin a message with this link in it? 19:00:31 Or add it to the room description 19:01:02 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: have to use element X to do this from mobile fwiw 19:09:35 <321bob321> Getmonero.orgy doesn't hyperlink either 23:54:09 is that how pins work (added link to irc room descr.) 23:55:01 https://beta.monerodevs.org