12:05:14 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/YwoNIoHCmAbPKJdEVTcaYgSO.png (image.png) > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Also need a link to the workgroups page 12:06:06 cooked up the workgroups page while at it 12:06:11 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/SVjiHFKkpRYZnXMOgOZNSEyD.png (image.png) 12:07:32 main hero section for absolute beginners, then the rest organized into columns 12:18:14 beta site was showing an nginx error page because i mis configured something else, back now 12:18:58 <321bob321> Naughty 13:16:00 I would probably remove monero-space workgroup (afaik, its not relevant), add monero-events, add monero-docs, move policy out of research and into community, add research lounge link to research card 13:16:13 https://deploy-preview-2259--barolo-time-757cf9.netlify.app/community/workgroups 13:18:09 (dont have to remove monero-space, i just dont think its in use) 13:19:00 yeah just checked, not active 13:20:05 And forum has scams like https://forum.monero.space/t/coreswaps-non-custodial-xmr-exchange-protocol-hopefully-more-no-kyc-exchanges-adopt-this/2068 13:29:21 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/VrzbyXceZoLTUwnXMEDycYoV.png (image.png) > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I would probably remove monero-space workgroup (afaik, its not relevant), add monero-events, add monero-docs, move policy out of research and into community, add research lounge link to research card 13:35:04 Monero-support to community 13:35:04 Monero-pow to research 13:35:04 idea: get rid of "seraphis wallet" card, and add #no-wallet-left-behind to the core development card 13:39:26 No-wallet-left-behind is a poor name, seraphis wallet is as well. As this room is used for fcmp++ related developments (seraphis has been shelved for years). There was loose consensus around renaming to monero-dev-lab (but it was never done) 13:40:28 not sure what the best name would be for it ngl 13:47:46 https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1054#issuecomment-2293932354 14:10:20 eh loose consensus, good enough 14:13:27 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/iAyuLjojjXCXgEPWRyRsbwsu.png (image.png) 15:28:02 deployed: 15:28:02 https://beta.monerodevs.org/community/workgroups/ 15:28:02 https://beta.monerodevs.org/community/hangouts/ 15:28:25 @redsh4de:matrix.org: looks fantastic 15:29:27 thank you :D this is cleaner, adds context to what is what and doesn't overwhelm the user with just plain columns of cards 15:29:54 i have about 4 pages left to complete 15:30:53 and wire in localization for some i skipped, was too lazy to do it all at once 15:36:10 should I force push 2584? or not necessary? 15:50:41 selsta not needed, binaryFate can set the correct date for them after merging 🙏 15:51:44 e.g. _posts/2026-01-07-monero-0.18.4.5-released.md -> _posts/2026-01-10-monero-0.18.4.5-released.md 16:16:55 sponsors page! 16:17:01 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/mYuBspZAzHCsvCLxmcTdOhXg.png (image.png) 16:17:21 monochrome logos get inverted on dark theme with CSS filters 16:18:12 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/ciJotvgAykRQtyALgipbBEam.png (image.png) 16:19:28 making new pages after building a UI library is stupidly easy at this point 16:21:39 Cypherstack's description shoukd probabky say "Monero Project infrastructure" 16:22:20 (i know its probably also wrong on love website, but might as well fix now) 16:23:20 no-wallet-left=behind was chosen 16:23:47 *no-wallet-left-behind was the name chosen for the channel 16:24:05 what is being worked on there is the CARROT wallet 16:24:16 and ofc FCMP++ 16:25:55 Actually, rbrunner wanted to call it monero tech, and the meeting are called as much. The change (addition) of new addresses was just never done and it carried on as no-wallet-left-behind, even though it is much more than wallet work 16:27:55 Nwlb was initially chosen as a room to ensure that ecosystem was properly updated, but the room is now used for all things fcmp++, carrot, and essentialy "next" development 16:29:17 *no-stone-left-unturned 16:43:54 nicer call-to-action card to match the one from downloads instead of what-is-monero 16:43:58 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/dKJQdEievuGuomjWgNCyIEOL.png (image.png) 16:49:12 I think i might like the centered one 16:53:06 @redsh4de:matrix.org: I like https://nextra.site/docs/built-ins/callout#example 16:54:44 for asides, the one you have is good for call for action 17:06:34 @basses:matrix.org: have a very similar component to this in the UI library - currently using it for small disclaimers within specific sections 17:06:46 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/HkEHILajfCxXBrobuqdUDQuh.png (image.png) 17:20:36 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: i think prob cause the spacing wasn't as polished 17:20:42 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/vVWIpmTGAmBjQpGnLVOreOlR.png (image.png) 17:21:57 version with the button component 17:22:00 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/QAYaZGtWyXEueZFzhQcMHCVa.png (image.png) 17:31:43 I like the button better 👍 (But probably still like it centered) 17:32:08 Thats just my opinion. Im not thinking to deep on it 17:32:16 Too* 17:40:32 agree, button feels more call-to-action-ish 18:02:27 centered variant of the same component 18:03:05 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/bnanViZavAlXKfwdJSvcDwZV.png (image.png) 18:03:41 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/GCTRgKzWzWiBtZkiinAhUgzw.png (image.png) 18:03:54 I guess that works nice too 18:16:47 That one has my vote 18:17:26 Yeah, will merge this 18:17:26 it will let me also use the same component in the what-is-monero page, although with some tweaks, as it needs two buttons 18:25:14 alright we live https://beta.monerodevs.org/community/sponsorships/ 18:46:32 on what-is-monero 18:46:35 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/ZYOxHKhdnakomwcGDYdLeXwq.png (image.png) 18:51:54 @redsh4de:matrix.org: looks like a popup for newsletter 18:52:32 https://beta.monerodevs.org/downloads/ doesn't say what version you are actually downloading 18:52:34 after selecting the dropdown menu it stays open aka dropped down 18:53:46 nioc: the version info is under the download button, w/ the source link and release notes 18:53:56 nioc: have an open issue for this: https://github.com/redsh4de/monero-site/issues/78 18:54:41 @redsh4de:matrix.org: could be made more prominent though 18:55:55 @basses:matrix.org: border on top & bottom would make it look less so? (assuming thats a bad thing 18:56:12 nioc: it is mentioned below, adding it to dopdown is repeatitive 18:56:30 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/YyDOidaTgcUprqjYhwqoPykb.png (clipboard.png) 18:57:49 @redsh4de:matrix.org: idk tbh, reading it I literally thought it was a signup for something (newsletter etc) 18:57:53 perhaps rewording? 18:58:21 yeah i can see how the wording can make it so 18:58:58 maybe starting with "Download" instead of "Join", as the latter definitely can make you think its some "join my newsletter" blurb 18:59:13 I didn't scroll the page down far enough to see it and even so it should be more prominent 19:00:43 nioc: two possible place where it could look better 19:00:45 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/QGxAPoNrjDeUlNDyySHKZaKa.png (image.png) 19:00:49 when I open page the download button touches the very bottom of the screen which is why I missed it 19:01:04 @redsh4de:matrix.org: yeah "join" is usually used for subscribing to something 19:01:32 have to scroll past the DL button 19:02:58 @basses:matrix.org: "Download a wallet and take control of your financial privacy today." - option 19:03:22 nioc: valid yeah, i'll see how it looks right aligned relative to the title 19:06:50 I dont mind the postion, right aligned is a bit far away that user reading it might not even notice it, I mean it is mentioned literally below the Download button, and on website you are expected to always download the latest version 19:10:18 i like this too 19:10:22 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/WNKTvdJLuuXSEaDMqXdwchdN.png (image.png) 19:10:42 keeping the version name under the button, but moving just the version to a version badge that's immediately visible 19:13:04 @redsh4de:matrix.org: fluorine now looks like author name 19:13:22 true, lemme just get rid of it 19:13:37 or put it as a subtitle in the version badge 19:13:37 the only website that I know that uses edition names like monero does is linux mint 19:13:54 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/YXYiutTXaltwmIFKwNXRIQlq.png (clipboard.png) 19:13:55 https://linuxmint.com/ 19:13:59 thats how they put it 19:14:42 @redsh4de:matrix.org: I would just put it as it was full text at top right 19:15:23 subtitle as below the version badge? 19:15:27 make actually look better 19:15:38 yea changing stuff around to try that 19:15:46 --font-size-xs or sm 19:16:52 And ubuntu, and debian > <@basses:matrix.org> the only website that I know that uses edition names like monero does is linux mint 19:18:31 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/NAxbzwxEIJiHLoqmczqnNUWs.png (image.png) 19:19:46 should be in quotes ig otherwise looks a bit authory as well 19:20:22 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/uwSEZJUjLKIBzWxfVxcnYwZT.png (image.png) 19:31:43 alright we live: https://beta.monerodevs.org/downloads/ 19:56:17 hi 19:56:23 hello! 19:56:23 I want to contribute to the monero website. I have some bigger changes planed. is there someone from the dev team here available to talk about it? 19:56:41 or should I just do a PR? 19:58:34 if its regarding the current live website, then a PR is fine or opening a issue on github to discuss 19:58:49 since it's a bigger change id probably open a issue first 19:59:44 I dont want to discuss endless I want to present something and get feedback. 20:00:10 the question is if I present it as a PR or as an external upload 20:00:11 this channel would be it then 20:02:44 open a PR in that case 20:03:14 yea I can do that. are you from the website team? 20:04:20 i am leading the development of the website redesign / migration to Astro - for the current one, the active maintainers are @plowsof:matrix.org @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx 20:06:17 I am a fan of monero and want to contribute to the project and the current website does not reflect the power of monero. I want to change that and offer my help to become responsible for the new website. I had to start from scratch and implement a new version with a new tech stack. before I migrate the entire content I wanted to know if my help is appriciated in the first place. here is a demo: 20:06:23 https://www.berlinersoftware.de/monero/ 20:07:04 https://beta.monerodevs.org 20:07:17 I have seen it already but it was offline yesterday. 20:07:44 was technical difficulties. Its back online 20:07:49 so if my help is not welcomed its ok I dont continue contributing. its just an offer 20:08:46 @ofrnxmr: Is that the final design ? 20:08:56 Near final, yes 20:09:12 @elongated:matrix.org: there was consensus a good while ago already on the new design direction (design by Diego Salazar, Astro framework, no JavaScript) 20:09:12 you are welcome to contribute to the current development effort though, its nearing completion but there are still a few pages and things that need to be complete 20:09:22 rsch: Always welcome, but we're moving forward with the design at https://beta.monerodevs.org 20:09:53 @ofrnxmr: iirc @diego:cypherstack.com wanted to make a new version of the hero section on the index page 20:09:55 @ofrnxmr: You need to get feedback from some ui professionals 20:09:55 The small logo on top, a round monero bg looks weird and not standard 20:10:22 Needs polish 20:10:51 Its not final - not on monero-project repos and not deployed officially. feedback is being given and received daily 20:11:16 look to my draft and compare it with https://beta.monerodevs.org. I dont want to offend anyone but monero needs some extra. not just content displayed on a screen. it needs a wow effect. 20:11:23 @redsh4de:matrix.org: the round monero bg was that part 20:13:23 where is the current code of https://beta.monerodevs.org? 20:13:42 rsch: You can work on current beta, polish it 20:13:49 github.com/redsh4de/monero-site 20:13:58 ^ 20:15:02 I would like to change the start page. it looks like the next boring coin. monero needs some extra. are you ok with that? 20:15:08 if wow effect means non-essential animations that take away the users attention, i'd personally be against that. minimalism is good 20:16:12 thats the problem with monero. its self centered. what you like is not what others like in mass. monero needs more attention. with a boring minimalistic approach you dont win anyone. 20:16:12 rsch: It is a boring coin, it’s a currency; we don’t want animations for sure ; but current beta can be improved 20:16:13 looks vibecoded > https://www.berlinersoftware.de/monero/ 20:16:14 also google fonts etc 20:16:48 @basses:matrix.org: Of course it is 20:16:52 monero design is simple, js-less and without trackers, you can take a look at how the current design compared to other shitcoins website 20:17:05 what is wrong with AI? 20:17:09 @basses:matrix.org: it does use typical v0.dev design patterns. overuse of gradients and glow effects 20:17:15 @basses:matrix.org: website design* 20:17:56 rsch: that we could have done it ourself (literally anyone) 20:18:12 why do you think we are doing it the way we are doing it rn? 20:18:30 no idea. lack of understanding, busy with other topics? 20:19:26 if you remember TJ? one of the biggest contributors in the npm world. look to his repo. no commits anymore. why? sometimes people stop caring. 20:19:40 current website doesnt look good but it served its time very well back then, hence the design we are currently working on > thats the problem with monero. its self centered. what you like is not what others like in mass. monero needs more attention. with a boring minimalistic approach you dont win anyone. 20:19:55 rsch: lol wtf?? 20:19:56 feel free to fork the repo above, and do a PR for the src/pages/index.astro file > I would like to change the start page. it looks like the next boring coin. monero needs some extra. are you ok with that? 20:19:56 you should familiarize yourself with the codebase first, it uses the Astro javascript framework and has a localization framework, so should work within the already set up framework 20:20:34 plowsof, are PR deployments setup? 20:21:47 I mean I dont want to waste my time contributing something if its rejected beause its not liked or its too animated. thats why I wanted to get feedback first 20:22:40 well, this is a community project and website 20:22:47 rsch: that's part of contributing, rarely will people like something you propose at the first time 20:22:53 Nothing is accepted "just because you do it" 20:23:11 thats why you should take in feedback, and iterate upon things until people do like it 20:23:25 Just choosing the design beteeen 3 choices took months 20:23:30 ofrnxmr: are you sure? I had that strong feeling about 20:23:35 ofrnxmr checkbox is ticked for preview deployments but not confirmed 20:23:40 We chose the one that redsh4de is working on like 6 months ago 20:24:35 redshade has their own previews set up though , can be seen at https://github.com/redsh4de/monero-site/pull/102 20:24:59 I would like to make the start page more as a sales page to get a better conversion rate to get more acceptance. 20:25:27 plowsof: yea, im not sure if these will work for non-owner PRs as it's under the Vercel Hobby plan 20:25:28 i'll check 20:25:55 rsch you said "present it as a PR or as an external upload" -> do you have experience with git? 20:26:17 @redsh4de:matrix.org: yeah it will work i just have to authorize the preview deployment manually 20:26:33 plowsof yes why 20:27:13 you know the answer then, open an issue and/or PR 20:28:11 plowsof where? there are two sources here. monero repo and the moenrodev repo 20:28:37 rsch: https://github.com/redsh4de/monero-site 20:31:38 Ctrl+U shows inlined SVG as well... 😬 > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> it does use typical v0.dev design patterns. overuse of gradients and glow effects 20:31:38 The webpage must ship with no SVG content. Icons must use .avif files through the MaskIcon component for monochrome icons, and ColorIcon for colored ones 20:32:42 yea I thought its the best to have them inline 20:33:23 and with overuse I dont agree. it looks more fancy exactly what you need in my opinion. 20:33:47 bloom/glow plugin for quake 1 to make graphics better maybe but im getting a headache trying to read things 20:34:12 I am not here to argue but in my opinion monero needs a more salsy approach. it has something to offer. its not just falsy sales 20:35:46 the problem is why should I contribute anything if my approach is not welcomed? thats why I wanted to come here and ask first. my point is to make the new monero design more entertaining. the question is if the value is seen and appriciated or you just want to stick with the minimal boring approach? so can you give me some contructive feedback to my current design: https://www.berlinersoftware.de/monero/ 20:37:18 what I can plan to do is to make a PR to redesign the start page. its better than the current one but still can improved. ofc it will have more glow and animation. if that is not welcomed in the first place I can leave it how it is 20:37:37 in the end its a community project but currently 5 contributors desice what is merged and what not 20:37:59 and I dont think "community" will change that 20:39:08 rsch: if you have a idea for the index page, definitely do a PR to it so we can see how it would look 20:40:28 https://www.berlinersoftware.de/monero/ this is my idea 20:41:19 do you think it goes in the right direction or not? 20:41:48 its everything i dont like about sites such as https://retoswap.com/ amplified about 3x 20:41:50 ofrnxmr says: No 20:43:01 I can agree that a blog page should be simpler because you read text. the focus is more on content and less on animations and distraction. but the first visit needs to have a wow. do you agree with it? 20:43:06 bloom/glare, rain flowing upwards, text fading in _whilst_ moving upwards 20:43:37 rsch: i don't agree 20:43:49 Maybe wownero.org 20:44:33 ofrnxmr: you dont think that a high converting sales page is better for moneros popularity? something that makes visitors converting into users using monero? 20:44:54 I think your design isnt as good as wownero.org's 20:45:24 ok interesting to know 20:45:48 then I dont know how to help you 20:46:21 just moving content from one cornor to another is not something that will help a lot 20:47:31 how does it work here? if you have different views on a topic. do you vote or do you follow what the core says? 20:48:45 @plowsof: but it looks impressive is not? 20:49:28 i mean for a quake1 graphics upgrade mod with bloom and glare :D 20:49:41 what do you mean? 20:50:19 rsch: We vote 20:50:21 too extreme for me 20:50:59 so far, including your vote, its: 1 ack, 2 nack 20:52:39 > first visit needs to have a wow. do you agree with it? > I can agree that a blog page should be simpler because you read text. the focus is more on content and less on animations and distraction. but the first visit needs to have a wow. do you agree with it? 20:52:52 I agree with it 20:52:57 A wownero? I agree 20:53:06 no not a shit coin 20:53:19 yeah no sorry oh my god > https://www.berlinersoftware.de/monero/ this is my idea 20:53:20 I don't like it 20:53:30 1 ack, 3 nack 20:53:43 syntheticbird what do you not like exactly? 20:54:32 too big letters? 20:54:35 respectfully for your effort, rsch, it sure looks like detailed and complete but I don't like the blooming color. Every elements also seems way too present/big. it gives me gambling site vibes, even tho i'm sure this wasn't your intention 20:55:59 i dont agree with gambling. gambling is very mixed color. that page is very straight. clear color plate. do you have an example that you like to get a better impression or which direction you guys prefere 21:04:07 Beta.monerodevs.org < example 21:04:07 I mean, it's my impression, there is no agreement to be made. 21:04:28 tho I hear your argument 21:08:51 Some things i personally don't like: 21:08:51 1. Should use the official Monero logo, the off-color one is a non-starter imo 21:08:51