03:33:11 any ideas? that part def could use some work 08:10:05 also would appreciate if anyone with time can go through the website and provide UX feedback - was really helpful to improve the downloads page yesterday 08:18:55 mobile style for the category cards used in knowledge base / monero tools 08:19:08 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/tFAXxTdeIfCtxXnffDIjtOLs.png (image.png) 11:51:53 library page draft 11:52:10 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/tHZWByGPcJHcGKzUzFxGrkqU.png (image.png) 15:10:04 did i cook or what 15:10:07 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/jWOeYtdadYnykViZKHMJSPUh.png (image.png) 19:31:58 @redsh4de:matrix.org: https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/kek.pm/x3UWuQfZPvPxK9NHA4V55WdwtIOnYws0.jpg (11349.jpg) 20:50:30 Alright 20:50:32 https://beta.monerodevs.org/ 20:50:50 done, all routes have content 21:02:14 cleared out the placeholder translations 21:08:25 the homepage: with the talknof hero change etc, what do you (and others) think about simplifying the landing page like bitcoin.org 21:08:50 Meaning dropping some of those 1 2 3 1 2 3 etc and having whatismonero downlaod etc in the hero 21:14:34 Might work, user would see the main options immediately 21:14:34 About Monero / Downloads / Buy Monero 21:14:46 but at that point the entire index page layout would need to be redesigned i think 21:15:02 cc @diego:cypherstack.com 21:15:22 @redsh4de:matrix.org: not just the hero section 21:15:46 Like, (from bottom to top) 21:15:46 Resources: we dont need the resources section - docs is in the footer and workgroups, and faq is in the menu 21:15:46 start using monero:[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/69q_7NsKMGJFN2JV ] 21:16:21 This also reduces duplication on the homepage 21:18:04 Atp just an idea, but i think it could work to greatly simplify the experience and focus on signal 21:24:39 true abt the resources 21:24:39 if going that route, would be for deferring the start using monero items to the hero section with the buttons like on bitcoin.org 21:24:39 then the start using monero section would need to be removed/replaced with something else[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/vpng7NsKYVpLbUM1 ] 21:28:04 maybe so there are 3 sections, under about Monero we could feature the 3 latest blog posts or something? in a row, would keep the page dynamic 21:28:04 or a get involved section linking to hangouts or workgroups 21:28:34 Get involved probably best 21:29:39 Do you mind doing a trial of that? 21:30:13 Not at all, few mins 21:30:20 wont be pretty just rough layout changes 21:32:12 Good 21:32:20 :P 21:32:25 Ugly is my nickname 21:42:56 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/mmhaIENQNmNEmHHOWaeaRDGF.png (image.png) 21:43:19 the start using monero part should be kept tbh its very helpful 21:43:22 eyecatcher 21:45:19 only thing i ended up changing was buttons and the resource section 22:01:19 Start using monero is a duplicate of the hero 22:02:24 "Spend monero" merchant link being the difference 22:03:53 id keep (change) section to link accept monero, spend monero 22:36:27 hey ho, I've returned 22:36:38 welcome back 22:36:59 i deployed all the routes today, no blank pages left 22:37:11 looking 22:37:25 I see the discussion of redoing the index page 22:37:29 I don't mind it. I think what I designed is a good bridge between functional and aesthetic 22:37:35 but if someone has better ideas, please feel free to give it a go 22:38:02 yeah ive been experimenting with the variants - i think what's live right now is good 22:38:24 but hero definitely needs to be upgraded 22:39:02 and maybe changing the resources section to a get involved section, because its at the very bottom and the footer already has the resources column next to it like ofrn pointed out 22:39:36 look through the pages on the site, lmk if you have any improvement ideas 22:40:49 goddamn that drop down menu is sexy 22:41:20 the header one? yee 22:41:59 doing the full width instead of the individual cards was a good call 22:42:45 @diego:cypherstack.com: Its not getting rid of your design, just playing with trimming and modifying content a lil bit 22:43:01 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: any changes and I will throw a tantrum 22:43:06 I jest, let's do it 22:44:35 what would u wanna change in the hero? would it be the background image mainly? 22:46:14 ofrn will not rest until the size is reduced because he values small things, on himself and elsewhere 22:46:43 I'm fine with reducing it, but then the thought process behind what it will show needs to change a bit too. 22:48:07 The download and buy monero buttons moved to the hero 22:48:09 if its smaller would probably have to be something like a 22:48:09 [text] [image] 22:48:09 layout right? 22:48:26 or [image] [text] in a row 22:48:27 @ofrnxmr: Resources are in the footer (and menu) 22:48:44 @ofrnxmr: sir, CTAs are still good 22:48:51 I think this is already a win win > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/mmhaIENQNmNEmHHOWaeaRDGF.png (image.png) 22:49:11 Since you dont have to scroll around to find downloads button 22:49:28 i mean, the downloads area is already p visible in the header as well 22:49:53 @redsh4de:matrix.org: I use mobile, so not for me 22:50:39 true. but if a user clicks on get started, the get started section's 1st step does link them to the downloads page directly - and to the community section with the mobile wallet options as well 22:51:01 Yea, but who's really clicking get started to find a wallet 22:52:35 well the hamburger menu is there in either case as well... either of the buttons end up linking to the downloads eventually (what-is-monero CTA at the bottom & get-started 1st step) 22:53:16 I like this if start using monero section had link to accept xmr, spend xmr (and buy xmr?) > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/mmhaIENQNmNEmHHOWaeaRDGF.png (image.png) 22:53:16 and there was that new get involved section 22:53:24 but yeah, "Download" is not in your face, it kind of subtly encourages the user to inform themselves first which arguably is a good thing 22:53:44 The first button is what is monero :P 22:53:55 not so subtle 22:54:31 You wouldn't download a Monero 22:54:37 that's what we'll use 22:55:07 @diego:cypherstack.com: i pictures one of those anti-drug or drinking and driving propaganda videos 22:55:26 @diego:cypherstack.com: is this a thing? i might be remembering wrong but think i saw something somewhere 22:55:28 if it isnt it should be 22:55:42 It was a silly thing "You wouldn't download a car." 22:55:42 or something 22:56:04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLzy-IJg4_4 22:56:05 An anti-piracy thing, yeah? 22:56:31 the page if we replace the "Monero Resources" with "Get Involved" - fan of this change myself 22:56:35 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/JEaWXPqoUtmFSWwvZqgcMFLq.png (image.png) 22:57:19 @diego:cypherstack.com: This is gold 22:57:21 as Resources is already there in the footer linking to docs, just would have to add FAQ there as well 22:57:40 @ofrnxmr: We need to commission someone to make the same thing but for Monero 22:57:43 Get involved is beautiful 22:57:56 @ofrnxmr: I like the change 22:58:18 nice, consensus! 23:02:34 also btw, this is the 404 page 23:02:37 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/MpSCnbBnIHSxFcLADmGQeOZJ.png (image.png) 23:03:34 @redsh4de:matrix.org: On the "get involved" add :P. I still prefer the 3 button hero 23:04:11 And keep in mind that my views are based solely on mobile experience 23:14:36 get involved version deployed 23:14:51 @ofrnxmr: yeah hero overall needs to be reworked 23:14:55 but i think the overall sections are good now 23:34:44 clicked through everything. Looks good! 23:35:05 one ofrnxmr in the hand is worth two in the bush 23:35:08 @ofrnxmr: this one? 23:35:12 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: or this one? 23:37:06 two ofrnxmrs 23:37:22 i think out of all pages this is the weakest one visually 23:37:24 https://beta.monerodevs.org/get-started/contribute/ 23:37:35 very card heavy 23:37:50 in a way that doesn't make it easy to scan 23:39:36 We can maybe separate into a couple of different pages 23:41:17 similar to how its done for Tools & Knowledge Base? 23:41:19 Or more compact 23:43:00 I actually think Knowledge Base isn't a bad template here. Support Network, Develop, and Donate could easily be their own pages. Not super huge ones, but fleshed out. 23:52:45 Yeah def 23:53:06 cause right now its a bit of a information overlod