00:16:50 <apotheon> mgalgs: Does your pihole use Tor?
00:18:21 <apotheon> erm
00:18:49 <apotheon> The comment about it being DNS seems like you already got this answered . . . ?
00:19:18 <apotheon> I don't know enough about pihole to really have anything to say about it in particular.
03:28:15 <Norkle> .faucet
03:28:17 <Wallet> N​orkle: How many characters i​n speed
03:28:24 <Norkle> 5
03:28:25 <Wallet> Norkle: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000022 XMR to Norkle [6b5861ba] Wait ≈23 hrs 53 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01559932
04:17:08 <Wolf0> fluffypony: Hello? *leaves pony bait*
06:38:14 <parazyd> .beg
06:38:15 <Wallet> p​arazyd: How​ long is the word drive
06:38:17 <parazyd> 5
06:38:17 <Wallet> parazyd: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000023 XMR to parazyd [d94927cf] Wait ≈23 hrs 57 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01559332
06:47:09 <apotheon> What is pony bait?
06:48:30 <apotheon> Apparently, oats are bait for mares (female horses) and does (female deer), while ivy is bait for lambs (young sheep) and kids (young goats).
06:48:44 <apotheon> I think perhaps Monero is bait for me.
06:49:08 <apotheon> Maybe widespread socioeconomic change is pony bait.
12:44:54 <yanmaani> Would Monero have any need for BitTorrent bootstrap?
12:45:16 <yanmaani> This would obviate the need for DNS seed nodes, at the cost of instead requiring BitTorrent DHT seed node (which are by far more plentiful)
12:54:00 <selsta> not sure if there is much gain in replacing monero seed nodes with bittorrent seed nodes
12:57:22 <yanmaani> selsta: It'd probably be useful for wownero and similar small forks, but not sure if that's a use-case you want to support :P
14:39:59 <Thanos> .faucet
14:40:01 <Wallet> T​hanos: How​ many chars in plan
14:40:04 <Thanos> 4
14:40:04 <Wallet> Thanos: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000008 XMR to Thanos [6cd5cf36] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01559222
15:56:57 <gingeropolous> i think piggybacking on bittorrent seed nodes would be useful
15:57:57 <gingeropolous> well, i think any harmonization of p2p seeding is worth exploring
16:05:30 <selsta> gingeropolous: it sounds like adding complexity without much gain
16:05:40 <selsta> unless I don't understand the benefit
16:05:52 <selsta> you don't improve decentralization if you have seed nodes again
16:06:04 <selsta> doesn't matter if monero or bittorrent
16:29:20 <gingeropolous> yeah. what i have in mind is different than just using bittorent seednoes
16:29:43 <gingeropolous> https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/f6y8xn/ccs_idea_maybe_someone_can_write_it_up/
16:30:06 <gingeropolous> i started making somethig in bash but haven't touched it in a while
16:30:07 <gingeropolous> https://github.com/Gingeropolous/transpeer
16:30:24 <underscore> .faucet
16:30:26 <Wallet> un​derscore: What number is​ TWO
16:30:30 <underscore> 2
16:30:30 <Wallet> underscore: @bonuspot tipped 0.000005 XMR to underscore [29a1ae5b] Wait ≈1 day 0 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01558722
17:54:37 <UkoeHB> Lmao ‘IRCCLOUD is no longer welcome on freenode’
17:54:52 <selsta> yep lol
17:55:45 <sech1> why though
17:57:42 <selsta> most likely because they spoke out against freenode on twitter https://twitter.com/IRCCloud/status/1397475744448663564
17:58:03 <hv-bridge> <DCMiner> .faucet
17:59:51 <UkoeHB> What a shitshow
18:04:29 <yanmaani> gingeropolous: that's a great idea
18:04:34 <yanmaani> you can do this for bittorrent DHT too
18:05:02 <yanmaani> There's something like 10-25 million nodes, says wikipedia
18:06:09 <yanmaani> so that's about 1 in every 170-430 IPv4 IPs
18:06:42 <yanmaani> meaning, if you just randomly send out handshakes to a few hundred IPv4 IPs, you're bound to get at least one that does BitTorrent DHT
18:06:48 <yanmaani> (and from there, you can get more nodes)
18:07:04 <yanmaani> selsta: advantage is all cryptocurrencies can share the same technology
18:14:20 <Snipa> Huh, that's a neat idea in terms of the peer finding system.
18:15:45 <sech1> yanmaani peers on Bittorent DHT use random port numbers
18:16:16 <yanmaani> sech1: not most of them
18:17:06 <yanmaani> most of them use port 6881(?)
18:17:22 <sech1> I haven't checked in a while, it probably depends on client
18:17:37 <sech1> also, they all use seed nodes for initial connection
18:33:12 <nioc> IrcCloud is now banned from "free"node lolol
18:33:49 <selsta> yeap I'm also only on libera and oftc now lol
18:34:43 <selsta> apparently freenode wants to make their own bouncer service on https://bnc.freenode.net so they banned freenode because it is competition
18:35:39 <apotheon> err
18:35:47 <apotheon> How does Freenode ban Freenode?
18:36:08 <selsta> irccloud*
18:36:08 <nioc> I heard that tomorrow libre will have the matrix bridge working but I am not holding my breath 
18:36:12 <apotheon> ah
18:36:35 <apotheon> Yeah, if you hold your breath until it's there tomorrow you'll suffocate.
19:13:24 <rottenwheel> https://twitter.com/rottenwheel/status/1404154579726520325
19:14:44 <raecarruth> ohai rottenwheel :)
19:15:20 <rottenwheel> Sup.
19:15:29 <raecarruth> how you doin senor?
19:15:54 <raecarruth> como estas 
19:22:33 <rottenwheel> Same shit, different day.
19:22:40 <rottenwheel> Same ole.
19:22:43 <rottenwheel> How about you? 
19:29:42 <raecarruth> can't complain, today wasn't as stressful as I expected
19:29:49 <raecarruth> which probably means tomorrow will be ass
19:37:15 <Epsilon> How do I get an invite to join the Matrix room? says I'm not invited when I join from #monero:monero.social
19:44:51 <selsta> you might want to ask in monero-community matrix channel
19:45:04 <Epsilon> thanks will do
19:47:00 <Epsilon> Well I apparently do not have permission to post in the monero-community channel
19:48:20 <selsta> rehrar: ^
19:50:04 <rehrar> Invited? Hmm..
19:53:20 <gingeropolous> yanmaani, thanks. i didnt get too far. im looking forward to pcking it up back up again
19:54:16 <yanmaani> sech1: I remember checking, and 80% were on the same port
19:54:34 <yanmaani> they use seed node yes, but if it ever went down utorrent/qbittorrent/whatever would push an update fast
19:54:39 <yanmaani> also, that's not true
19:54:43 <yanmaani> they can also bootstrap from torrents
19:55:00 <sech1> torrents have tracker URLs, yes. But I'm talking about DHT
19:55:01 <yanmaani> if I'm not on DHT, and I get a torrent, then I'll get peers from the tracker and take it from there 
19:55:14 <yanmaani> sech1: yes, DHT can be bootstrapped from peers you got while d/ling a torrent
19:56:29 <sech1> you can always scrape popular trackers for popular downloads to get peer lists, but it's still centralized servers
20:29:31 <gingeropolous> thats why we gotta get all p2p services working together so its possible to brute force ip space and find friends
20:30:53 <gingeropolous> then we can do away with the concept of seed nodes altogether
20:30:57 <gingeropolous> for every p2p service out there
20:32:45 <yanmaani> sech1: What, for the network or for you?
20:32:58 <yanmaani> *The network* stays intact because ordinary people can always bootstrap by downloading torrents
20:33:08 <yanmaani> You are always able to connect to it because you can brute-force the IP space.
20:33:25 <yanmaani> gingeropolous: There's no need to get anyone working together, ordinary BitTorrent already has 10-25 million IPs out there.
20:33:32 <yanmaani> Anyone can use BitTorrent DHT, totally permissionless
20:35:44 <gingeropolous> i remember this bittorent dht conversation 
20:39:48 <gingeropolous> i guess what i don't get, is say you brute force, find a bittorent node and get the dht, how do you find monero peers in the dht?
20:53:51 <yanmaani> gingeropolous: You can look up key:value pairs in the DHT
20:54:02 <yanmaani> key is any 160-bit string
20:54:03 <yanmaani> value is an IP
20:54:43 <yanmaani> so to "join", you calculate e.g. sha-1("Monero"), then you announce to e9b74480ca5f07d9a30654ee0dbf96f3b423531e
20:54:55 <yanmaani> and then, anyone who does GET("e9b74480ca5f07d9a30654ee0dbf96f3b423531e") will get your IP
20:56:03 <yanmaani> as for the details of how the DHT works: each node has an ID (hash of IP, basically). Each node has neighbors. If I want to get a key K, I look through my neighbors, and I calculate the hamming weight of XOR(their ID, K), and then I ask the one with the lowest Hamming distance 
20:56:15 <yanmaani> rinse and repeat until found or nowhere else to look
22:21:22 <NickvanSaberhagn> Hi
22:59:58 <Norkle> .faucet
23:00:01 <Wallet> N​orkle: Which is smallest, ​2 4 or 6
23:00:06 <Norkle> 2
23:00:06 <Wallet> Norkle: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000006 XMR to Norkle [efdc6710] Wait ≈1 day 1 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01558662
23:47:16 <Metamorphosis> .duckcall
23:47:17 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: ・゜゜・。。​・゜゜(')> 🦆 'QUACK QUACK!!'
23:47:28 <Metamorphosis> .bang
23:47:29 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: YOU GOT IT! Time: ≈11.8 sec Lucky Duck! You get 0.00000008 XMR! [94728665] Ratio: 45 of 47 Bullets: 0 of 2