01:09:23 <gingeropolous> yanmaani, ok, so basically you would just have to run a bittorent node so you can populate the dht with your information that contains the monero p2p info
01:10:11 <yanmaani> gingeropolous: Yes, but those are very easy to implement and there's libraries for them
01:10:30 <yanmaani> It's about on the same level of complexity as a HTTP client
01:11:05 <gingeropolous> and theoretically, as soon as you are operating a bittorent node with monero p2p information, the entire bittorent network now has that monero p2p info
01:11:12 <gingeropolous> because of the dht magic
01:11:24 <gingeropolous> ?
01:14:53 <gingeropolous> yanmaani, is that how it works?
01:21:19 <yanmaani> gingeropolous: don't really understand
01:21:31 <yanmaani> if you have a connection to 1 node in the DHT network, it means you can find any other node in there
01:21:49 <yanmaani> for a given key, this maps to a specific cluster of nodes, basically
01:23:55 <yanmaani> gingeropolous: https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/~petar/papers/maymounkov-kademlia-lncs.pdf
01:24:50 <Wolf0> gingeropolous: when's the last time you seen fluffypony?
01:25:04 <Wolf0> I swear it's easier to get an audience with the Queen
01:27:02 <yanmaani> as for the details on how bittorent DHT works, check out https://www.bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0005.html (spec) and https://github.com/jech/dht (an implementation, ~3kloc)
02:33:13 <gingeropolous> thanks yanmaani . im always at a suboptimal level of understanding some things
02:34:38 <gingeropolous> Wolf0, a while if i reckon 
04:04:41 <Wolf0> gingeropolous: I'm looking for him
04:04:42 <Steven_M> Hi all :-)
04:04:52 <Wolf0> hey
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06:28:52 <lza_menace> [04:15:21] yes
06:28:52 <Steven_M> [04:53:22] lza_menace: Sorry, got held up. When I churn, I always send my XMR to new wallets, but does churning work when you send the XMR back to the same wallet?
06:28:52 <lza_menace> [04:53:43] yes
06:28:52 <Steven_M> [04:55:27] how many churns per real transaction, should I make?
06:28:52 <lza_menace> [04:58:20] idk, up to you. i don't churn at all
06:28:52 <lza_menace> [04:58:58] i'll occassionally consolidate and move funds to new wallets so i don't maintain ancient wallets with old restore blocks
06:28:52 <Steven_M> [05:12:08] lza_menace: okay, thanks for the info! :-)
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19:39:58 <gingeropolous> [11:47:33] and we all know the power of defaults!
19:39:58 <hyc> [11:47:50] seems excessive. if DHT works why do we need DNS?
19:39:58 <hyc> [11:48:23] or do you expect that some networks will be filtered/blocked so only DNS can be relied on?
19:39:58 <hyc> [11:52:36] fwiw I like the idea of DHT and getting rid of libunbound from our build
19:39:58 <hyc> [11:52:49] it has caused more than its fair share of bugs
19:39:58 <hyc> [11:53:38] but there are trust questions to resolve. we use DNS to announce software updates now
19:39:58 <hyc> [11:54:06] seems like we still need some centralized trust to handle these things
19:39:58 <gingeropolous> [12:01:34] i was just suggesting that option to not radically change what has worked
19:39:58 <gingeropolous> [12:01:46] phase-in, as it were. but sure.
19:39:58 <gingeropolous> [12:02:15] or perhaps its the first in line, and dns moves to #2 with hardcoded at #3
19:39:58 <gingeropolous> [12:04:42] re: dns as update announcements, that seems to be a different problem / mechanism
19:39:58 <yanmaani> [12:09:38] hyc: You can use DHT with signed keys
19:39:58 <yanmaani> [12:09:43] I don't know how well-supported it is
19:39:58 <yanmaani> [12:09:46] But why not flood?
19:39:58 <yanmaani> [12:10:07] Have a protocol message new_version, sign that with some key, gossip it over the network
19:39:58 <yanmaani> [12:10:13] (like bitcoin's alert key)
19:39:58 <sgp_> [15:56:26] luigi1111: do you have permission to add ops over any #monero- channel? I'm trying to set up #monero-space which isn't registered and has no ops as far as I can tlel
19:39:58 <luigi1111> [16:11:11] I think fluffy is the only one atm
19:39:58 <sgp_> [16:25:00] okay ty
19:39:58 <Mochi101> [16:25:50] So centralized...
19:39:58 <Mochi101> [16:25:52] ;)
19:39:58 <Epsilon> [16:26:59] If anyone isn't busy I still would like an invite for the #Monero Matrix room if possible
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