00:10:52 <inwqgqrzx> For a community that prides itself on manipulating people, you can't manage a single guy that spends most of his time in his underpants :D
08:30:41 <SerHack> Was my comment on rehrar's post removed? 
08:39:44 <xorax> .beg
08:39:45 <Wallet> x​orax: How many characters i​n ride
08:39:50 <xorax> 4
08:39:50 <Wallet> xorax: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000006 XMR to xorax [50a7066d] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01547359
08:40:01 <xorax> .balance
08:40:01 <Wallet> xorax: • Your balance is: 0.0000047 XMR (≈0 USD)
08:51:14 <Mochi101> hyc, not sure if I misunderstood your Twitter post. But to be clear the CCS has a really open license: This repository is licensed under the BSD 3-Clause "New" or "Revised" License.
08:51:26 <Mochi101> https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/blob/master/LICENSE
08:56:35 <azy> .balance
08:56:35 <Wallet> azy: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.
08:56:36 <Wallet> azy: • Your balance is: 0 XMR
09:01:35 <Mochi101> oh... hyc... sorry... seems I'm mistaken
10:11:32 <lenrdoaiyrrx> You will DO what Monero tells you to do. You will JUMP when you are told to jump. And most importantly you will DISCONNECT whoever Scientology^H^H^H^H^H I mean Mnero tells you to disconnect. Otherwise you WILL end up like lh1008 here:
10:11:33 <lenrdoaiyrrx> monerologs.net/monero-community/20210114#c181614 And you will do it all for FREE. Because Monero is open souce :D Just like Linux is there to pay for $700k watches that Torvalds wears.
10:57:45 <midipoet> Mochi101: I just assumed the CCS was an open licence. Is it not? I think the question is just whether someone being paid from the GF should have mplemented it for a competing/complementary currency (even if that other network is run by friends/colleagues/peers). Honestly, I don't know the answer to this, as it is quite complicated
11:14:30 <selsta> midipoet: ccs code is not open source
11:15:50 <selsta> (did not read backlog in case this was talked about already)
11:22:51 <gingeropolous> oh man that doesn't seem good
11:28:49 <Mochi101> selsta, wasn't the FFS open source before rehrar moved it to GitLab though? This would mean that he accidentally didn't apply the proper license to it when it was moved.
11:29:39 <selsta> they aren't using the old ffs forum
11:29:49 <selsta> the new ccs always was on gitlab and never had a license
11:30:11 <selsta> fwiw I even pointed this out in the past...
11:30:52 <Mochi101> Shouldn't it be open source, without a restrictive license, like everything else Monero?
11:31:09 <Mochi101> Is there a reason why it's not?
11:32:42 <selsta> I don't know
11:41:43 <Mochi101> selsta, you mention that it should be a less restrictive license?
11:42:16 <hyc> doesn't matter. fact is it's currently not licensed.
11:42:19 <selsta> there is no license, it isn't open source
11:42:22 <selsta> yep
11:43:55 <Mochi101> Who is the copyright holder then?
11:44:51 <hyc> moneroproject
11:45:59 <Mochi101> Which is who exactly?
11:47:02 <hyc> dunno. same people who own the repos
11:47:36 <Mochi101> It could easily be argued in a court of law that monero is a public and open source project, so anything that the monero project 'owns' is equally owned by every member of the public.
11:47:49 <hyc> nope
11:48:12 <Mochi101> So what legal entity or person owns the copyright?
11:48:26 <hyc> stuff is only public if explicitly licensed
11:50:07 <hyc> ... stuff is only *open* if exppicitly licensed
11:53:29 <Mochi101> rehrar originally merged the code to the repo.
11:53:41 <Mochi101> I guess it's his work.
11:54:32 <Mochi101> Maybe he owns the copyright.
11:55:00 <selsta> it's more complicated
11:56:43 <Mochi101> yes, of course
12:16:02 <Thanos> .faucet
12:16:03 <Wallet> T​hanos: Snow White + he​r dwarfs
12:16:11 <Thanos> Snow White and her dwarfs
12:16:11 <Wallet> Thanos: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. (No not immediately or I'll just ignore you..)
12:18:00 <Mochi101> 8
12:55:30 <Thanos> .faucet
12:55:31 <Wallet> T​hanos: In Three Little Pigs, how​ many houses get blown down
12:55:37 <Thanos> 2
12:55:38 <Wallet> Thanos: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000033 XMR to Thanos [c2216b6c] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01546069
13:01:56 <Mochi101> You get all the difficult ones Thanos 
13:03:53 <Thanos> Yeah, I didn't expect to be quizzed on fairy tales today
13:17:30 <hyc> rehrar was a paid employee, so anything he produced is work-for-hire, owned by employer.
13:17:37 <hyc> which would be core team or Project.
13:18:09 <hyc> unless there was an explicit contract that said otherwise, for any given piece of work
13:21:35 <Mochi101> Was he paid when he merged it?
13:21:45 <hyc> he was on salary
13:21:52 <Mochi101> You're sure?
13:22:08 <hyc> for the past 4 years, so what is there to doubt?
13:22:29 <Mochi101> ic
13:22:39 <Mochi101>  Diego Salazar authored Dec 18, 2018 
13:22:48 <Mochi101> Well, these details are important hyc 
13:24:39 <hyc> like I said, unless there was an explicit contract that said otherwise...
13:25:00 <hyc> but no one has ever mentioned any such thing.
13:25:50 <Mochi101> Monero is a publically owned project though, isn't it?
13:25:57 <hyc> how so?
13:26:10 <hyc> it is not public domain
13:26:40 <Mochi101> So who are the owners?
13:27:32 <hyc> the individual contributors
13:27:40 <Mochi101> Who is willing to step up to the plate and say, "Monero is mine", and represent it in a legal sense?
13:27:58 <hyc> probably no one can say that. I can say "these parts of Monero are mine".
13:28:26 <Mochi101> You gave them away though.
13:28:52 <hyc> not unconditionally. I contributed under the terms of the agreed license.
13:29:18 <hyc> and if someone violates the terms of the license, I have legal standing to seek reparation. for my pieces.
13:32:20 <Mochi101> The onus is on the copyright holder to enforce their copyright.
13:32:52 <hyc> yes
13:34:05 <Mochi101> I guess unless someone is willing to represent for, and prove they have the right to represent for Monero, the whole exercise would be moot.
13:35:51 <Mochi101> Who was involved in the development of the CCS anyways?
13:37:39 <Mochi101> beardedwarrior did the initial backend commit.
13:42:22 <hyc> from what I've seen no one on the core team will lift a finger to enforce this
13:43:22 <hyc> but the fact they let it slide doesn't make it right...
13:43:41 <Mochi101> I guess you're of the opinion that they should do something?
13:43:50 <Mochi101> What should they do?
13:49:45 <hyc> at the very least, make an "official" statement on the topic
13:50:34 <Mochi101> http://blackhat.co.za/ - I wonder who Devin is
14:04:00 <hyc> there's no doubt that lawsuits are a waste of time and money. but the core team are "stewards" tasked with being caretakers of the project.
14:04:09 <hyc> they need to demonstrate that they are actually taking care. 
14:04:22 <hyc> at the very least, that they have paid attention to the situation.
14:05:12 <hyc> mostly it looks like they gave rehrar free reign and he abused everyone's trust without any of the caretakers noticing.
14:07:36 <\x> does monero support LGBTQP?
14:09:00 <hyc> no idea what that is
14:21:10 <parazyd> .beg
14:21:12 <Wallet> p​arazyd: What ​number is ZERO
14:21:14 <parazyd> 0
14:21:14 <Wallet> parazyd: @bonuspot tipped 0.00001 XMR to parazyd [660a34cf] Wait ≈23 hrs 53 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01544559
14:54:07 <sjkmgfgik> When Tari finally comes out, will you dump your Monero to buy it? Will others?
21:26:37 <xmwhncnelu> 'Oddly, no one who was directly involved with the SIR-C missions and currently still working the Lab, remembers the name Howard Chu, except for one who vaguely recalls Eugene Chu as having a brother names Howard'
21:26:38 <xmwhncnelu> Ed Caro, NASA Chief Engineer. cryptogazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/1-768x1445.png