00:05:46 <lza_menace> yeah, desktop app seems to accept lws backend
00:06:06 <lza_menace> i think there's quirkiness in their logic though, keep getting prompted to import
00:42:19 <Norkle> .faucet
00:42:19 <Wallet> N​orkle: How many chars in​ women
00:42:27 <Norkle> 5
00:42:27 <Wallet> Norkle: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000017 XMR to Norkle [df0ffcc9] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01530947
00:52:37 <ndorf> lza_menace: the Let's Encrypt cert is valid for the domain you're using? and the app crashes anyway?
00:53:25 <ndorf> lza_menace: prompted to import is a known issue, i'm afraid. i think you can work around it by deleting the wallet from your app and then adding it again
01:25:38 <lza_menace> Correct, iOS crashing at the import prompt. Desktop working as expected though
03:05:06 <uarzlclaynh> twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1203709575226183683
03:05:06 <uarzlclaynh> Last time I got an award like that was in a primary school football team. It had three stars too and said that I'm special :')
03:05:06 <uarzlclaynh> I just binned it though instead of showing it off to naive groupies. What kind of preson takes a group achievement award and presents it as a proof of their individual prowess anyway?
03:52:05 <Steven_M> gingeropolous: Hi, it appears that your node is stuck on 2389912.
03:56:03 <selsta> Steven_M: which node exactly?
03:56:51 <Steven_M> gingeropolous: selsta: oh, it's working now :)
03:57:11 <selsta> node.moneroworld.com is a node aggregator
03:58:06 <Steven_M> how do I get the exact node for you?
04:00:51 <selsta> https://monero.fail/
04:00:56 <selsta> don't find any node at this height there
04:04:25 <Steven_M> oh, oh well
04:31:06 <enyc> 05:25 < AdorableTanuki[m]> Is there a libera chat version of this channel on Matrix? I can't seem to find one but I am sure there is one somewhere.  in ol place, confusing p
05:34:32 <Steven_M> clear
05:34:48 <Steven_M> I bought some XMR from a KYC source, I have now moved it away from the wallet address that I gave to the KYC, how many churns should I do now to maintain OPSEC?
06:00:20 <Mochi101> Steven_M, just moving it off of the KYC source is enough.
06:00:36 <Mochi101> No churning necessary.
06:02:05 <Mochi101> When you receive Monero the sender is also hidden. So the person you send your XMR too will not know the address (your address) that it was sent from.
06:02:26 <Mochi101> (too = to)
06:21:24 <Steven_M> Mochi101: cool, thanks. :) I've never bought from KYC before. Why do some people churn, what is churning for?
06:30:26 <Mochi101> Steven_M, well... I guess it gives added security. Depends on who you think is trying to see your transactions. If it's a 3 letter government agency with a lot of resources and you're particularly at risk - you might want to churn. I think churning also helps the network because there's more activity and transactions - making it more difficult for an adversary to trace things.
08:56:36 <evrerlzsqil> Do you think that you are too intelligent to be in a cult? Then I would encourage you to look into how any other cult works. They aren't populated by stupid people. Aum Shinrikyo was almost exclusively university professors and graduates. For Pete's sake - they had the know-how and means to make WMDs.
08:56:37 <evrerlzsqil> As to Monero, I would encourage you to look at Jonestown mass-suicide. You know why Jones killed them all? Because he was afraid he is loosing control over them. People like that will burn everything around them rather than give up control. Being smart doesn't make you immune to being in a cult. This is the most valuable lesson Monero taught me.
09:06:03 <Pixy> geez
09:06:08 <Pixy> that was something
09:06:10 <Pixy> but hey, i've joined now
09:10:19 <moneromooo> Hey :)
09:13:28 <Pixy> hey :)
09:15:10 <muhkey> .duckcall
09:15:11 <Wallet> muhkey: ・゜゜・。。​・゜゜(')> 🦆 'QUACK QUACK!!'
09:15:15 <muhkey> .bang
09:15:16 <Wallet> muhkey: YOU GOT HIM! Time: ≈4.83 sec Lucky Duck! You get 0.00000005 XMR! [3e8883a7] Ratio: 1 of 1 Bullets: 1 of 2
09:15:20 <muhkey> uwu
09:15:31 <muhkey> .bef
09:17:27 <Steven_M> Mochi101: Thanks for explaining again. :-) Sorry for my late very reply, I was AFK.
09:24:56 * Steven_M has to go now
14:21:39 <parazyd> .beg
14:21:39 <Wallet> p​arazyd: What is sq​rt of ONE
14:21:41 <parazyd> 1
14:21:42 <Wallet> parazyd: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000013 XMR to parazyd [f6d0b331] Wait ≈1 day 19 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01525772
16:27:28 <pbwjmmcwq> Remember kids. If you call project coral reef for what it is - fluffypony embezzling half a mil usd from the monero fund for a website with smaller adoption than monero woo plugin, you will get excommunicated. Why do you think charities need Teslas? They don't and Elon won't support Monero 150k will sure buy a lot of party time for those that actually do get it.
16:46:06 <Mochi101> Did that hit a nerve fluffypony ?
16:46:09 <Mochi101> lol ;)
16:46:11 <Mochi101> j/k
16:50:19 <lza_menace> project coral reef was definitely worth it - did anybody see the mastobong? https://shop.mastodonrocks.com/collections/accessories/products/mastobong
16:50:34 <lza_menace> i mean, cmon
16:52:32 <apotheon> "mastobong"
16:52:33 <apotheon> wtf
16:52:33 <Mochi101> With the Mastobong title and the Mastodon logo together like that I read Mastodong... 
16:52:43 <Mochi101> this is bad marketing :D
17:52:10 <fluffypony> lol lza_menace 
17:52:21 <fluffypony> "easy to disassemble"
17:54:04 <lza_menace> can confirm ;) - thanks for the work there, fluffypony
18:06:02 <apotheon> I wonder how many people see the Mastobong page and think it has something to do with masturbation.
18:07:07 <raecarruth> mastodon?
18:11:03 <apotheon> Yes, it's Mastodon stuff.
18:12:11 <apotheon> Oh, are you asking if I'm talking about Mastodon?
18:12:19 <apotheon> I'm talking about Mastobong.
19:30:45 <ndorf> apotheon: who says it doesn't have to do with that? looks like a dual-use technology to me
19:30:59 <apotheon> exciting
19:31:12 <ndorf> side note, Mastodon is awesome
19:42:23 <apotheon> ndorf: What's awesome about Mastodon?
19:43:18 <ndorf> good music. IMHO, of course
19:43:40 <apotheon> err
19:43:52 <apotheon> I thought we were talking about the federated Twitter-like thing.
19:44:13 <ndorf> there is a band named Mastodon, and their merch shop is what you linked to
19:45:43 <apotheon> oh
19:45:49 <apotheon> I didn't realize that.
19:46:07 <apotheon> All this time, I just assumed it was the Twitterish thing.
19:46:18 <ndorf> predates that by a couple of decades.
19:46:22 <apotheon> It wasn't me who linked to it.
19:46:25 <ndorf> oh, sorry
19:46:32 <apotheon> I'm aware of the band preceding the Twitterish thing.
19:46:40 <apotheon> I just didn't realize that was the band site.
19:46:45 <apotheon> I didn't look very closely.
19:47:08 <ndorf> yeah i like the band so i instantly recognized the logo
19:51:06 <lza_menace> ndorf: \m/
19:51:15 <lza_menace> my favorite band 
19:56:16 <ndorf> so good!
21:21:33 <Pixy> apotheon: federation is awesome
21:21:47 <Pixy> but what's also awesome is that it uses a widely adopted protcol, activitypub
21:22:01 <Pixy> which means that you can use a mastodon account to comment on, follow, etc. on many other kinds of services
21:22:08 <Pixy> like peertube, a federated video sharing platform
21:31:57 <apotheon> Pixy: Federation isn't as good as full decentralization, all else being equal.
21:32:23 <apotheon> . . . but yeah, it can be good, certainly.
21:33:07 <sibelius> Wouldn't full decentralization just be everyone running their own solo instance, which a rPi h=can handle for Pleroma
21:33:55 <Pixy> the problem is that not all else can always be equal. particularly for a twitter-like service with many one-to-many messages pushed to occasional onlookers, a fully decentralized model has challenges
21:34:21 <apotheon> Full decentralization would probably involve everyone's instance hosting its own content, and the nodes linking together to provide mutual context -- ideally with some kind of replication to provide continuity despite drop-outs.
21:35:21 <apotheon> That kind of decentrlized architecture wouldn't require anyone to host a heavyweight server instance, which distributed/federated systems require.
21:35:46 <apotheon> (though "distributed" is a much more malleable term in some ways, and perhaps I should've left it out)
21:36:18 <sibelius> You just described the fediverse where everyone operates a solo instance, for the most part
21:36:33 * Pixy  < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/ea356923c22421ce1a12d18d5c22e932668f55f5/message.txt >
21:36:50 <Pixy> the chat is now not synced to device B
21:37:03 <sibelius> My Pleroma instance propagates content from other instances and all
21:37:16 <Pixy> it can't obtain it from the person to whom i was chatting, since it can't have come to know who that was and where to find them from device A
21:37:30 <Pixy> person P doesn't know where device B is at, so they can't push the chat history
21:37:41 <apotheon> Pixy: thus the need for replication, as indicated above
21:37:57 <Pixy> so B pretty much remains stuck without this chat history until A is turned on again
21:38:15 <Pixy> of course, the chat is already replicated across the two nodes that were involved
21:39:01 <Pixy> replicating all chatrooms arbitrarily across nodes has some serious disadvantages when it comes to network/disk usage, and you also wouldn't be able to just find those arbitrary nodes
21:39:08 <apotheon> Do you realize a blockchain is a (somewhat heavy, but illustrative) means of achieving the kind of replication I'm talking about?
21:39:45 <Pixy> distributing some sort of a cache or addresses to a set of public nodes that are known by every other node would mitigate this problem, but it would end up adding a centralized component into the mix
21:39:46 <Pixy> namely this list
21:40:05 <Pixy> so that would have to be agreed upon in some sort of a decentralized manner, and that's very difficult to do
21:40:13 <Pixy> <apotheon "Do you realize a blockchain is a"> blockchain is full data replication across all nodes
21:40:17 <apotheon> or just use something like a "six degrees" search for an appropriately signed cache
21:40:18 <Pixy> that's completely unrealistic for a chatting system
21:41:19 <apotheon> There are myriad approaches to ensuring some level of replication accessibility, with different approaches being better for different use cases.
21:41:32 <Pixy> remote nodes also give some cryptos an element of federation :P 
21:41:47 <apotheon> sure
21:41:59 <apotheon> but non-dentralized federation isn't decentralized, tautologically
21:42:34 <Pixy> oh yeah matrix is trash in that regard
21:43:09 <Pixy> and i suppose the fact that that sort of situation can come about is a good argument against federation as a whole
21:43:25 <apotheon> Ceteris paribus, decentralization is better.  All else is not equal in practice, which requires coming up with way to prioritize various characteristics of a distributed system, and select appropriate mechanisms to achieve those characteristics.
21:43:44 <apotheon> A lot more decentralization can be achieved in a reasonable manner than people usually set out to achieve.
21:44:26 <apotheon> . . . so maybe we should keep in mind that decentralization is not only better (all else being equal) but also not an all-or-nothing proposition, and we can often do better if people are willing to try.
21:44:42 <Pixy> that's fair
21:44:45 <apotheon> Note, for instance, how many people just saw Signal and stopped trying to do better.
21:44:56 <apotheon> Guess what: Signal's centralization is a heap of bad news.
21:45:16 <apotheon> People are starting to realize that now, but when I realized it years ago nobody cared.
21:46:08 <apotheon> argh
21:46:11 <apotheon> frustrated
21:46:19 <apotheon> need to go back to mostly-not-caring
21:46:23 <apotheon> much more soothing
21:47:44 <Pixy> very true, sadly
21:47:50 <Pixy> i have to go finish writing this literature review though
21:47:58 <Pixy> ciao!
21:48:41 <apotheon> ta