00:09:41 .faucet 00:09:43 apotheon: How many chars in ran 00:09:47 3 00:09:47 apotheon: @bonuspot tipped 0.000035 XMR to apotheon [230054ca] Wait ≈23 hrs 56 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01508744 00:14:08 .help soak 00:14:08 apotheon: Help: .soak [minutes] - Sends each active & bonustime user an equal share of soaked amount 00:15:42 I wonder what's up with Bill not being here. 01:21:41 .faucet 01:21:42 Norkle: How many letters in LDOGE 01:21:49 5 01:21:49 Norkle: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000008 XMR to Norkle [df04dd9a] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01508664 02:44:41 can anyone help with the monero-cli wallet? I attempt to restore from a particular date, the wallet returns the restore height ~2,000,000 then it refreshes from 0 anyway. If I let it refresh from 0 it fails at the end saying something about failed to connect to daemon but it was connected and was refreshing. 03:03:26 diiirt: what do you get when you put the command status in the daemon 03:05:08 Synced 2391551/2392784 (99%, 1233 left, 03:05:25 do I need to wait for it to get all the way done? 03:06:34 yes 03:07:05 oh okay, thx 03:07:12 shouldn't take long with only 1233 left 03:07:29 but why doesn't it restore from the proper height when using restore determinsitic wallet? 03:07:33 I assume the daemon is still progressing 03:07:47 i just made a new wallet and it restored from 2200000 03:07:55 refresh* 03:08:46 diiirt: it seems to go from zero to the height you set quickly and then goes slower once it gets to the height you set 03:08:57 okay 03:09:09 thank you! 03:09:12 not really sure but that is my experience 04:17:38 When Tari finally comes out, will you dump your Monero to buy it? Will others? 04:49:18 YES! 05:28:02 I just realized we're out of mochi ice cream. 05:38:50 Mochi isn't a flavor, mochi is a lifestyle. 05:39:09 :P 05:39:43 apotheon, also... you probably mean mochi covered ice cream 05:40:13 mochi is a sticky rice dough sort of thing 05:41:30 apotheon, have you seen my sex tape? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AZ-R3VondI 06:12:51 apotheon, send nodes 06:14:00 Mochi101: I know what mochi means. We have some mochi in the fridge. I mean "mochi ice cream" because it's easier to say than "mochi covered ice cream" and nobody's going to keep saying that all the time. 06:14:34 I would keep saying it all the time. 06:14:48 In fact, the flavor of the mochi ice cream we had is cookies and cream -- because the brand at the supermarket has no red bean flavor and the green tea flavor isn't all that great. 06:15:10 Also, one doesn't typically say "mochi covered red bean paste" when eating red bean mochi. 06:15:12 To show my respect for both the Mochi Makers and the Ice Cream Makers equally - not to bunch them into one 06:15:34 silly 06:15:41 ;) 06:15:52 yeah the green tea is not that great 06:16:00 I've tried it too. 06:16:32 Roasted Sesame Seed flavor is good if you can get it. 06:17:37 Mochi ice cream is the name used by the inventor of it, anyway. 06:17:41 (yes, in english) 06:17:55 I've had good green tea mochi, but not the stuff at our local supermarket. 06:18:18 both regular green tea mochi and green tea mochi ice cream 06:19:16 The brand of mochi ice cream easily available to us now is very fancy and, consequently, mostly not as good as the regular stuff, but much more expensive. The cookies and cream flavor is great, though. 06:20:07 You're in the USA? 06:21:22 yep 06:22:15 If you wanted to nitpick a name, you should nitpick "red bean mochi", which would actually be azuki daifukumochi. 06:22:37 . . . or maybe anko, depending on whether you're talking about the beans or the paste, I guess. 06:23:14 fukumochi hey... 06:23:22 I can take a hint when I see one... 06:23:25 :D 06:24:27 har 06:24:36 fuku just means belly 06:25:02 . . . though they started using a homonym in packaging, meaning "luck". 06:25:11 great belly or great lucky mochi 06:25:36 It's funny you didn't say anything about "dai", considering it's pronounced like "die" in English. 06:26:04 . . . but I mostly like you, so I wouldn't intend that meaning. 06:26:35 I take nothing personally on this platform. 06:26:44 I'm starting to wonder whether I could get some mochi from Amazon. 06:27:51 https://www.amazon.com/s?k=mochi&rh=n%3A16310101&dc&qid=1624861629&rnid=2941120011&ref=sr_nr_n_1 06:27:53 seems so 06:28:09 Why is there a sriracha flavored mochi snack bite product? 06:28:29 hahaha 06:28:55 now I want some sriracha... 06:29:07 oooh, chocolate chip cookie dough mochi ice cream at Whole Foods 06:29:14 time to go to Whole Foods 06:30:24 I see peach mochi, which seems gross. 06:31:11 I'm mildly surprised I haven't seen a deeply weird mochi flavor like I'm used to seeing for other food products (e.g. shrimp chips or cucumber Pepsi). 06:31:29 (food products with a Japanese connection, that is) 06:32:03 I half expected to see something like cheese-and-spiders flavored mochi ice cream on Amazon. 06:32:37 Wow 06:32:53 What kind of spider? 06:33:38 dunno 06:33:43 something native to Japan, presumably 06:33:52 WTF is "Hawaiian butter mochi mix"? 06:33:59 https://smile.amazon.com/Hawaiis-Best-Hawaiian-Butter-425-25g/dp/B00YM3QSX4/ 06:34:12 I've lived in Hawaii, and I certainly don't recall this being popular there. 06:34:24 Of course, it was the early '80s then, so maybe things have changed. 06:34:35 Oh, right, mochi ice cream didn't exist yet, then. 06:34:56 . . . so I suppose weird mochi offshoot treats probably weren't so prevalent. 06:35:51 Hell, the daifuku stuff didn't even exist until 1981. 06:36:32 That is, yukimi daifuku -- the ice milk predecessor. 06:37:12 (had to look up that date; it's not like I know that off the top of my head) 06:37:42 Why am I babbling about mochi? 06:38:07 Because mochi is awesome? 06:38:11 maybe so 06:39:51 When I lived in Indonesia I used to go to this Chinese hardware store for some of my parts. They would always have like a Chinese sticky rice cooked in palm or banana leaf. It was similar to mochi but mochi still has a different consistency. 06:40:07 interesting 06:40:48 When I lived where I am now, I got tired and realized I had talked about mochi until almost midnight, so I decided it was time to go to bed. 06:41:00 goto BED; 06:41:03 g'night 06:41:07 later! 13:20:52 There are multiple psychological hooks to keep Monero community members in place. Here is one: 13:20:53 https://vimeo.com/272691039 13:20:53 Notice that Scientologists don't stand on street corners saying "Would you like to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Xenu?" 13:20:53 Put yourself instead in the shoes of someone who spent $10,000 and 2-3 years of their life on their courses 13:20:53 And you get a bunch of bad sci-fi - you have two choices: 13:20:53 - either swallow a very bitter pill that you wasted a pile of money and a portion of your life 13:20:54 - or swallow the sci-fi, and from that point on, you will swallow _anything_ they tell you. 13:20:54 In the cult trade that's called "insider doctrine". 13:20:55 Would you like to talk about our Lord and Saviour of NASA, Howard Chu? 13:20:55 https://medium.com/@crypto_ryo/senior-nasa-engineer-calls-out-howard-chu-hyc-symas-monero-developer-on-being-a-fraud-db0b46688041 13:22:09 .beg 13:22:10 kico: Of 1 <-> 4, which is 4 13:22:15 4 13:22:15 kico: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000066 XMR to kico [c359452e] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01508004 13:22:21 xD 13:28:31 <\x> wallet beg 13:28:32 \x: How many letters in silly 13:28:35 <\x> 5 13:28:36 \x: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000021 XMR to \x [87318fa7] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01507794 13:28:44 <\x> wallet balance 13:28:45 \x: • Your balance is: 0.0000155 XMR (≈0 USD) 14:25:22 ** Warning: if there is any bot in #monero which should be exempted from ozone, voice it or contact staffers before it gets caught ** 14:28:26 Hello 14:31:42 Using monerod, around 69-70%, it takes ages to add new blocks for me... Any idea why? 14:34:40 you mean when syncing blockchain from scratch, when you're at 70%, it's slower? 14:35:02 Until now it was quick, but now it took 3 hours to add 14000~ blocks, I am only around 168800 of 2393000 blocks... 14:35:08 binaryFate: Yes! 14:35:25 You mean 1688000? 14:35:38 Yup, 168800* 14:37:02 From 1674000* to 1688000* 14:37:18 transactions formats have evolved along the history of Monero, which you are right now going through by syncing the chain 14:37:25 See https://github.com/monero-project/monero#scheduled-software-upgrades 14:37:43 It gets noticeably slower when you get at the blocks with ringct for instance 14:38:51 So it's normal to see a difference. Though 14000 blocks in 3 hours sounds pretty slow 14:39:12 Yeah, on a HDD sadly 14:39:51 ah well, at least you know why... :) 14:41:12 Haha yes, I did see the suggestion of using SSD but I am using a laptop with 80~% storage being HDD so... *shrug* 14:43:12 I think I remember using your PGP signature for verifying my download (binaryfate.asc), so thanks for the help and your work on Monero :) 14:43:21 I often use external USB SSDs, there's so small nowadays. Works great even to run a node from it 14:44:31 I merely sign the work of others :) 14:44:42 That's a solution but then what do I do with all the HDD space I have x) 14:44:44 .beg 14:44:45 parazyd: How many characters in room 14:44:47 4 14:44:48 parazyd: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000012 XMR to parazyd [29fb7d4c] Wait ≈23 hrs 57 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01507674 14:45:03 Signing is work! 14:46:39 But yeah, getting a bit off-topic but what does one do with their unused storage..? The only thing coming to my mind is donating it by seeding torrents 14:48:35 You could sync from an external SSD, then move the blockchain file to your HDD. Once synced it's much easier to just stay in sync by running your node now and then. 15:16:42 so MyMonero (desktop) + monero-lws appears to be working, got a wallet synced up, restored from seed, balance is updated. However, when sending I get "This wallet must first be imported". ndorf: any known workarounds? 15:17:44 seemed like the import logic is too rigid, only wants to work with mymonero.com backend. i couldn't proceed with the impoort workflow but it all synced up anyways 15:31:17 lza_menace: that's a known client-side issue. workaround is to delete your wallet client-side and re-add it 15:31:36 ez 15:31:38 thanks 15:46:23 Pixificial: initial sync to SSD, then move it to HDD, perhaps 15:47:09 Pixificial: I don't think there's a huge slowness problem once you get it initially synchronized, even on HDD. 15:47:40 Pixificial: Oh, I missed that binaryFate already said that. 15:48:17 in my experience, sending transactions is very slow when the blockchain is on SSD. i assume this is because of the random decoy inputs 15:48:25 er, on HHD, i meant 15:48:27 feh 15:48:37 you guys know what i mean ;) 15:48:44 ndorf: Ah, that's good to know. 15:48:53 I wasn't aware of that. 15:48:56 took about 2-3 minutes per tx IIRC. 15:49:17 ndorf: Do you know if there are official builds for OpenBSD (again) yet? 15:49:23 not AFAIK 15:49:28 okay 15:49:38 sounds gigantic I wonder where it's coming from 15:50:02 ndorf: You should become the new OpenBSD official builder. 15:50:16 heh. 15:50:25 ndorf: I'd give you 0.000001 Monero if you did. 15:51:44 well then. how can i afford *not* to? 15:53:00 good question 15:53:04 binaryFate: the delay? it happens before the final tx confirmation question. i assumed it took that long to select the random decoys 15:53:35 Maybe I'd even give you that much every time I installed a new Monero-official build of yours. 15:53:40 OOOH RICHES 15:55:21 .help donate 15:55:21 apotheon: Help: .donate <@account> - Donate coins to help fund this awesome tip/soak bot (default) or specify pre-approved @account to donate to that fund. Use info more info on each. 15:55:27 I mean I don't know where it's physically coming from. The amount of data you need to build a tx is nowhere large enough to require the reading head 2mn to move around and read it, even with worse case scenario of data spread on disk 15:55:34 .donate 0.000001 15:55:34 apotheon: 0.000001 - invalid amount (must be 0.00001 or more) 15:55:38 damn 15:56:06 ndorf: Okay, I guess I'd give you an order of magnitude more than I initially said I would. Is that better motivation? 15:56:23 .help val 15:56:24 apotheon: Help: .val coin - Ticker prices for common coins & fiats. No value results in market details 15:56:36 .val 0.00001 xmr 15:56:36 apotheon: ≈$0.0022 • ≈ value of: 0.00001 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm 15:56:57 ndorf: That's 22 percentcent! 15:57:03 apotheon: in any case, i think a core team member would have to build and sign it for it to be "official" 15:57:22 ndorf: Just get binaryFate to sign your builds. 15:57:33 yeah. 15:57:37 I'm sure it works like magic. 15:58:26 I don't think I have an amd64 machine I could donate to the cause. C'set la vie. 15:59:13 a 16:00:12 I guess, for every new build I want, I should try following directions first, then try doing it the way I did it the first time if the official instructions don't work, then ask ndorf for help if that doesn't work. 16:06:02 .bal 16:06:02 nioc: 0.0056597 XMR (≈$1.22) 16:06:21 .tip ndorf 0.0056597 16:06:21 nioc tipped 0.0056597 XMR (≈$1.22) to ndorf [270d15db] 16:06:35 I am now free \o/ 16:07:56 Do people just link (one of) their Monero wallets with their IRC identities..? 16:07:58 .bal 16:07:58 Pixificial: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command. 16:07:59 Pixificial: 0 XMR 16:08:36 .coins 16:08:36 Pixificial: Help: .coins - list shows available coins. set saves current coin as default 16:09:03 .help 16:09:03 Pixificial: I'm a cool multi-coin multi-platform bot by Bill48105. Docs: https://bill48105.github.io/wallet/ | My core commands: .balance .deposit .faucet .ping .soak .tip .val .withdraw | .help to see others | .help for more details. 16:10:30 I think I want to try some of the commands, is it fine to just do it or would it be considered spam? 16:11:03 whoa, thanks nioc 16:12:09 .help tip 16:12:09 apotheon: Help: .tip user amount - Tips amount of coins to user 16:12:31 Pixificial: Try faucet. 16:12:36 to get you started 16:12:59 apotheon: What's faucet? 16:13:09 It's a Wallet command. 16:13:13 .faucet 16:13:15 Pixificial: How many letters in boat 16:13:21 answer quickly 16:13:21 4 16:13:21 Pixificial: @bonuspot tipped 0.000003 XMR to Pixificial [8dd0ff58] Wait ≈23 hrs 57 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01507374 16:13:27 but not too quickly 16:13:48 If you answer in something like one second, it will say you're too slow. 16:13:55 err 16:13:56 too fast 16:13:58 sorry 16:14:09 I'm too slow this morning. I should have breakfast to wake up. 16:15:01 So from what I understood, there is a bot that creates wallets for the users, and people can actually withdraw to their own actual wallet(s) from it? 16:15:06 Pixificial: You can use many of Wallet's commands in PMs, but its games and faucet stuff have to be used in a channel. 16:15:15 Yes, that's about right. 16:15:38 It penalizes you if you don't donate to it from time to time, apparently. 16:15:47 apotheon: Gotcha, who funds .beg and .faucet (or other "free" commands) though? 16:15:58 (penalizes by not giving you as much with faucet, at least) 16:16:16 I stopped playing the duckhunt game because the bot owner kept getting angry with me. 16:16:46 lol, what could be that duckhunt game? 16:16:52 The beg/faucet command is funded by the bonuspot, which is funded by donations. 16:17:06 Use the duckcall command. 16:17:11 .duckcall 16:17:11 Pixificial: ・゜゜・。。・゜゜(')> 🦆 'QUACK QUACK!!' 16:17:16 now use bang 16:17:19 .bang 16:17:19 Pixificial: YOU GOT HER! Time: ≈8.69 sec Ratio: 1 of 1 Bullets: 1 of 2 16:17:30 You won't be able to do it again for a bit. 16:17:35 There's a timer on it. 16:17:49 You can also use befr to feed the duck instead of shooting it. 16:18:07 The duckcall timer is affected by your use of faucet, too. 16:18:19 Well I've been made aware of the friendlier approach too late! :) 16:18:31 .bal 16:18:32 Pixificial: 0.000003 XMR (≈$0) 16:18:51 . . . and you'll need to use reload to restock your duck treats and shotgun shells (or whatever). It reloads to hold a total of two each. 16:19:01 You can reload any time with no penalty, apparently. 16:19:05 .reload 16:19:05 Pixificial: You're reloaded with 2 bullets & 2 treats. 16:19:17 Amazing 16:19:27 The help output is sometimes helpful, sometimes . . . not as much. 16:19:43 There's a webpage with more info, but I forget the URL, and it's also incomplete. 16:19:52 You're on your own, now. 16:22:01 apotheon: I will make sure to give duck treats, that's enough lead for me to figure other stuff out, thanks 16:24:49 yep 16:24:56 /msg Wallet help 16:25:06 (in case you haven't done that already; you probably have) 16:26:01 Did not, nearly a complete beginner to IRC too, how did you not trigger the /msg command? 16:26:02 A bunch of what I told you isn't obvious, which is why I said it. Like I said, the help/documentation isn't exactly complete. 16:26:23 I'd just do this: / /msg Wallet help 16:26:37 The slash-and-space at the beginning escapes the next slash. 16:26:52 Now everyone knows my secret. 16:27:09 . . . except you might be the only person paying attention to it. 16:27:32 /well-i-know-it-now 16:28:29 .bj 16:28:29 Pixificial: Help: .bj - Play Blackjack with 'bet' for chance to win 16:29:12 Playing games in here all the time would probably be considered spammy. You could play blackjack in the #wallet channel, I think. 16:29:33 Be warned, though: 16:29:45 In the Wallet channel, it'll probably give you doge or something like that. 16:30:49 Alright 16:53:48 .duckcall 16:53:48 Pixificial: No duck for you! (Try tomorrow or add a bribe to the call) 16:55:09 .duckcall 16:55:10 kico: No duck for you! (Try tomorrow or add a bribe to the call) 18:32:01 people didn't believe me about the duckcall timer 18:58:26 ndorf binaryFate : the delay is grabbing the number of ouputs per block and putting it one array 18:59:52 there's a cache to speedup it, but I don't remember the specifics on it 19:00:34 it definitely could look be refactored, the original implementation was to map what the whitepaper on optimal decoy selection recommended 19:05:02 well that explains why it cleared up for me when I added more ram / ssd cache to my server :) 19:06:11 yes, iirc in the worse case it walks every block in the chain to get number of outputs 19:06:36 ouch lol 19:06:39 there are ways to improve this, but we'd probably have to maintain another LMDB index 19:07:14 well luckily lmdb is fast, with postgres or something itd really cry 19:07:54 For a moment there, I thought you said imdb is fast. 19:08:08 Monero: making LMDB look slow :D 19:09:39 well - its just that indexes in LMDB are a manual process implement ... which is simultenously why they can be so fast 19:28:12 you need to know number of outputs per block? not sure how an index would help that if you need to lookup individual blocks 19:28:35 I guess you could store number & cumulative per block height 19:30:30 do you need cumulative, or per-block? 20:04:42 If not for gubmints, maybe we could have IRC interfaces to Monero wallets. 20:05:23 (as opposed to bots that pretend to be wallet interfaces) 20:34:51 Word of guys running Monero community should be BELIEVED. Why would anyone that stole money and laughed at the losers that took the bait ever have a reason to lie to you? http://removeddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d6okb/fluffypony_needs_to_give_up_his_commit_access_and/ (changed link to removeddit since /r/monero mod removed to try to cover it up - maybe fluffy himself?) 21:00:59 apotheon: that would be cool actually 21:06:21 Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to eliminate the governmental threat to IRC wallet interfaces. 21:13:52 hyc: per block. we could store in one key with fixed size values and then to the multi-value fetch to memcpy larger chunks 21:14:12 actually the problem is that there are two different fetch modes from the http-api 21:14:33 the most common mode is where we need cumulative per-block heights 21:15:52 we might be doing something similar to that already in LMDB, I'd have to look. its going to be crap either way because lots of data has to go from risk to ram quickly 21:16:00 *risk -> disk 21:16:24 "already in LMDB" meaning in our db interface code 23:37:05 Hi all :-) 23:55:34 Steven_M: hi 23:57:22 Hi apotheon, how are you? :) 23:57:36 sad that my favorite coffee shop is closed 23:57:41 How are you? 23:58:33 sorry to hear that, is that due to covid? 23:58:56 No, it's due to the owner being exhausted for the last couple years and ready to retire. 23:58:57 .faucet 23:58:59 PonyBlocks: What is the sqrt of 1 23:59:02 1 23:59:02 PonyBlocks: @bonuspot tipped 0.00001 XMR to PonyBlocks [bbdf9a1a] Wait ≈1 day 44 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01506374 23:59:07 I don't blame him. It's just a sad thing.