00:21:01 <riceandbeans> I don't imagine too much would need to be done to get it to build on DragonFly BSD too...
00:24:00 <apotheon> probably easier than adapting FreeBSD methods to OpenBSD
05:50:52 <Metamorphosis> Hello guys
05:51:18 <Metamorphosis> I need some monero. I have some doge to trade for monero. If you want doge for your monero please let me know. ty
06:12:48 <apotheon> .faucet
06:12:51 <Wallet> ap​otheon: How many characters in laug​h
06:12:54 <apotheon> 5
06:12:55 <Wallet> apotheon: @bonuspot tipped 0.000035 XMR to apotheon [7c917227] Wait ≈23 hrs 56 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01378437
06:53:20 <apotheon> There are almost 100 more people in this channel than #ethereum.  I attribute that to a greater affinity for IRC amongst Monero-ers.
06:53:23 <apotheon> g'night
07:22:50 <Inge> .faucet
07:22:52 <Wallet> I​nge: How many ​chars in us
07:22:54 <Inge> 2
07:22:55 <Wallet> Inge: @bonuspot tipped 0.000005 XMR to Inge [c21c20aa] Wait ≈1 day 11 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01377937
08:31:34 <Norkle> .faucet
08:31:36 <Wallet> N​orkle: How many characters in tra​il
08:31:42 <Norkle> 5
08:31:42 <Wallet> Norkle: @bonuspot tipped 0.000009 XMR to Norkle [746fad46] Wait ≈23 hrs 53 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01377037
08:46:58 <Metamorphosis> .duckcall
08:46:58 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: ・゜゜・。。​・゜゜(')> 🦆 'QUACK QUACK!!'
08:47:11 <Metamorphosis> .befr
08:47:11 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: HE GOBBLED THE TREAT! Time: ≈12.71 sec Ratio: 153 of 171 Treats: 1 of 2
14:59:56 <Seraph-LaoDa> .faucet
14:59:57 <Wallet> Se​raph-LaoDa: How ​many chars in team
15:00:01 <Seraph-LaoDa> 4
15:00:01 <Wallet> Seraph-LaoDa: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000004 XMR to Seraph-LaoDa [1953b9e8] Wait ≈23 hrs 57 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01376997
15:13:10 <Mochi101> .faucet
15:13:11 <Wallet> Mo​chi101: How many letters in gri​n
15:13:15 <Mochi101> 4
15:13:15 <Wallet> Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000031 XMR to Mochi101 [4f9fa14a] Wait ≈1 day 12 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01376687
16:42:09 <riceandbeans> .faucet
16:42:11 <Wallet> ri​ceandbeans: Ho​w many letters in glue
16:42:14 <riceandbeans> 4
16:42:17 <Wallet> riceandbeans: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000004 XMR to riceandbeans [603560e7] Wait ≈1 day 51 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01376647
17:35:01 <apotheon> https://tftc.io/martys-bent/issue-1031-some-eu-lawmakers-want-to-outlaw-proof-of-work/
17:35:12 <apotheon> "Some EU Lawmakers want to outlaw Proof of Work"
17:35:26 <apotheon> It'd be interesting to see how they'd define PoW in law.
18:55:25 <ndorf> "Work? That's not something I've ever had to do in my life, let's ban it"
18:58:00 <Metamorphosis> anybody wants my doge for their xmr?
19:04:46 <burp> you can still do work, as long as it's unprovable
19:40:15 <apotheon> ndorf: nice analysis
19:42:28 <ndorf> :)
19:51:34 <ndorf> apotheon: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/7812
19:52:24 <apotheon> nice
19:53:16 <selsta> OpenBSD uses OpenSSL before 1.0.2? Isn't that a security issue in itself?
19:53:25 <selsta> Thanks for the fix ndorf.
19:53:27 <ndorf> no, OpenBSD uses LibreSSL
19:53:44 <selsta> Ok I misread :)
19:54:25 <ndorf> :)
19:55:46 <apotheon> I've heard that OpenSSL started fixing some of its utterly broken BS after that whole Heartbleed fiasco.  Did the project get new maintainers, or at least new active contributors?
19:56:25 <apotheon> If it's just the same people . . . did they invest a lot in learning how to better maintain it?
19:57:02 <apotheon> I'm curious about how they suddenly started dealing with problems in the crufty old codebase.
20:02:10 <ndorf> it's definitely more active since the heartbleed days, whether or not it's sufficiently so i couldn't say
20:11:56 <hyc> they got a bunch of corporate sponsors to pony up cash for some fulltime employees
20:12:21 <hyc> so it's no longer just volunteers, and it operates as a formal organization now
20:12:54 <hyc> from what I've seen on the mailing lists, most of the original project members are still around
20:32:42 <apotheon> hyc: interesting, thanks
20:40:24 <riceandbeans> tbh there was a lot riding on openssl
20:40:47 <riceandbeans> There's actually a problem in the ports system at this point of libressl versioning and sometimes requiring openssl
20:40:50 <riceandbeans> It makes my eyes bleed
20:41:43 <apotheon> eyebleed
20:44:50 <riceandbeans> https://libera.monerologs.net/monero/20210727
20:44:54 <riceandbeans> good lord that's creepy
20:46:57 <apotheon> What's creepy?
20:47:00 <apotheon> . . . public logs?
20:47:03 <riceandbeans> Yeah
20:47:05 <riceandbeans> In general
20:47:38 <apotheon> It's a public channel, so you should always assume someone may be sharing logs.
20:47:48 <apotheon> . . . even in channels where it's supposedly against the rules.
20:48:01 <apotheon> It can be creepy, though.
20:48:59 <riceandbeans> I assume all things are logged, generally.
20:49:12 <riceandbeans> Doesn't mean it's not creepy :)
20:49:25 <apotheon> agreed
20:49:30 <apotheon> 20:48 < apotheon> It can be creepy, though.
20:49:44 <riceandbeans> s/can be/is
20:49:51 <riceandbeans> annnnnnyway
21:05:26 <selsta> ndorf: can you check if compile still works on openbsd after the recent merges on master or release-v0.17?
21:05:37 <selsta> we had some cmake changes
21:12:23 <thecure> .beg
21:12:26 <Wallet> t​hecure: How long ​is the string CSTL
21:12:30 <thecure> 4
21:12:30 <Wallet> thecure: @bonuspot tipped 0.000003 XMR to thecure [6f40931a] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01376347
22:10:48 <ndorf> selsta: release-v0.17 8b63bb3c7 succeeded on OpenBSD/amd64 6.8. stay tuned for master
22:15:02 <ndorf> er, nevermind. master fails to link miniupnpc
22:16:21 <selsta> Fails to link miniupnpc? Don't think anything changed in that regard.
22:16:56 <ndorf> https://paste.debian.net/1205800/ :\
22:17:05 <ndorf> bunch of missing symbols, all of them should be in libc i think
22:17:40 <selsta> And it worked on release?
22:17:47 <selsta> Did you fetch latest release branch?
22:17:47 <ndorf> yep
22:17:55 <ndorf> yep, 8b63bb3c7
22:18:07 <selsta> yes
22:29:51 <ndorf> it works against de3456e12 (july 10th), so it must be one of the recent changes. i'll track down the exact commit
22:30:54 <selsta> I know the commit most likely
22:31:02 <ndorf> ah, which is it?
22:31:27 <selsta> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/7692
22:32:22 <selsta> master and release-v0.17 have a different miniupnpc submodule version so that's probably why it works on release
22:32:40 <ndorf> d'oh
22:51:42 <ndorf> selsta: after reverting #7692, it fails a little bit later with https://paste.debian.net/1205803/
22:52:09 <selsta> we fixed that one https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/7813
23:04:15 <selsta> ndorf: it's some weirdness of openbsd https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/issues/3570
23:04:34 <selsta> we will disable "no undefined symbols" for openbsd
23:08:47 <apotheon> eager to see how long it'll take to get to the point of considering pledge/unveil support
23:21:44 <selsta> ndorf: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/7814
23:26:24 <ndorf> selsta: nice. thanks
23:27:25 <ndorf> apotheon: why don't you take a crack at it, you can use the AppArmor work from some months ago as a guide :)
23:28:56 <apotheon> I'm already overcommitted, and I've never worked on anything like porting or pledge support for OpenBSD.
23:29:46 <apotheon> I also haven't written any C++ in over a decade, and what I've written in the past was pretty light.
23:30:51 <ndorf> they're C functions and would be called at the beginning of main() so you could pretend it's C, not C++ :)
23:35:12 <selsta> ndorf: do you have a chance to test the fix?
23:38:05 <ndorf> selsta: will do shortly
23:38:12 <selsta> thanks
23:52:53 <ndorf> looks promising, 63% (further than before)
23:54:54 <selsta> ok then please approve it on github
23:55:05 <selsta> 7814 7815
23:55:24 <ndorf> minor note, the `clean` target doesn't work there because the `read -p <prompt>` param is not supported by its /bin/sh.
23:55:37 <ndorf> not sure if that's in POSIX (making it openbsd's fault) or not (our fault)