21:36:18 <apotheon> What's a good place to get Litecoin?  It seems like something I might want to use as an intermediary to acquire Monero.
21:36:30 <apotheon> I tried Cake Wallet, and it errored out.
21:36:46 <Mochi101> Depends what you're trying to buy it with.
21:36:49 <apotheon> My fallback idea is Coinbase, but . . .
21:37:05 <apotheon> Mochi101: USD, with preferably not-much-reporting
21:37:26 <Mochi101> oh... good luck to you.
21:37:28 <apotheon> I want to acquire a few K USD, but not 10K+.
21:37:37 <apotheon> thaaanks
21:37:51 <apotheon> I mean, obviously my credit card is going to involve some reporting.
21:38:05 <apotheon> I'd like to not have to go through the rigmarole of a deep KYC process.
21:38:20 <apotheon> credit card or bank transfer; either way
21:38:50 <louipc00D> litecoin is offered wherever bitcoin is sold
21:38:51 <apotheon> Also, it turns out Coinbase has some asinine, bullshit stupidity involved where it sometims thinks you're a different person.
21:39:09 <apotheon> louipc00D: I haven't bought BTC in many places, so I don't know what's reasonably good and easy.
21:39:38 <apotheon> (I haven't bought Litecoin at all, yet.)
21:40:20 <NllPtr> apotheon: could try to search in p2p markets?
21:41:22 <apotheon> Do you mean darknets, or Bisq, or what?
21:41:37 <apotheon> I don't think buying Litecoin on Bisq is an option.
21:42:10 <louipc00D> localmonero.co or something
21:42:16 <louipc00D> localbitcoins.com
21:42:21 <apotheon> ah, yeah
21:42:31 <great_taste> was monero removed from all major exchanges?
21:42:37 <Mochi101> no
21:42:38 <apotheon> That's a bit less what I'm trying to find.
21:42:51 <louipc00D> it was removed from a few
21:42:54 <apotheon> (re: localfoo)
21:43:14 <Mochi101> great_taste, even if it was, atomic swaps are a reality now, and in the future will be easier to use
21:43:16 <apotheon> I actually want to get the Litecoin elsewhere then trade it for Monero via localmonero.
21:43:30 <NllPtr> great_taste: it is on binance, but you know they have kyc
21:43:37 <great_taste> what are atomic swaps?
21:43:40 <apotheon> It's the "get the Litecoin" part that I'm pondering.
21:43:56 <Mochi101> trustless swapping/trading between bitcoin and monero
21:43:59 <louipc00D> better price in litecoin?
21:44:02 <apotheon> great_taste: It's a transactional (in the sense of DBMSes) system for swapping BTC and Monero.
21:44:37 <apotheon> good provider that doesn't seem to take USD
21:53:35 <Mochi101> I'll take Tradeogre for $1200
21:55:21 <apotheon> Does TradeOgre even accept USD?
21:55:28 <apotheon> I thought it was cryptocurrency-only.
21:56:09 <Mochi101> oh I thought I was on a gameshow
21:56:12 <Mochi101> nvm
21:56:43 <apotheon> hmph
21:57:00 <apotheon> I guess I should just go with Coinbase, at this point.  Nobody seems to have better ideas.
21:57:39 <Mochi101> apotheon, you're in the USA?
21:58:07 <Mochi101> or EU ?
21:58:43 <Mochi101> I need to start a database, so hard to keep track of people's info.
21:59:21 <apotheon> US
21:59:27 <apotheon> NYC
21:59:33 <apotheon> near Park Avenue
21:59:53 <apotheon> SSN: 666-13-1024
22:00:12 <apotheon> sergeant in NYPD
22:00:26 <apotheon> 7th Precinct
22:00:28 <apotheon> Is that enough?
22:00:48 <Mochi101> Mother's maiden name?
22:02:44 <apotheon> Beauchamp
22:30:23 <yanmaani> FinCEN mentioned Monero in a report
22:30:27 <yanmaani> they did NOT mention Zcash
22:30:29 <yanmaani> get fucked, losers
22:31:21 <raecarruth> nobody ever mentions zcash
22:58:18 <apotheon> raecarruth: Zcash maxis mention it.
22:59:36 <yanmaani> zcash maxis ahahaha
23:02:24 <apotheon> You laugh, but they exist.
23:13:05 <yanmaani> all five of them
23:14:26 <Mochi101> You're exaggerating
23:14:30 <Mochi101> There are only 3
23:25:30 <apotheon> I think there may be more of them than you realize.
23:25:35 <apotheon> . . . on Twitter alone.
23:25:58 <NllPtr> didn't zcash want to add a backdoor for the feds?
23:26:02 <NllPtr> why would people like that
23:26:52 <apotheon> NllPtr: It has a front door for the feds.  It's called "defaults to not private".
23:27:05 <apotheon> . . . but the backdoor may be the key used to set it up.
23:27:35 <NllPtr> i see, i would like that more stores supported monero in my country most just accept bitcoin
23:28:00 <apotheon> Yeah, I'd like to see *any* shop accepting Monero.
23:28:41 <apotheon> Some people believe so strongly in the need for government's "protection" from things like black market goods that they're willing to give up privacy to law enforcement.
23:29:03 <apotheon> Some people who prefer Zcash just think it's better because of zk-SNARKs.
23:29:17 <NllPtr> thing is, black market existed before crypto and will continue to exist after crypto
23:29:26 <NllPtr> is just the typical boogey men they use
23:33:43 <apotheon> sure
23:34:06 <apotheon> but people believe in that bogeyman anyway
23:35:26 <yanmaani> i mean zcash's had conversations with feds, that much is true
23:35:37 <yanmaani> where they pretty much said "no don't worry this is crap"
23:35:47 <yanmaani> but the proof is in the pudding - these guys aren't even talking about zcash
23:36:12 <apotheon> There's also the front door (default non-private) and the potential back door (the possibility of the setup key not having been properly discarded/destroyed).
23:36:43 <apotheon> yanmaani: I'd like a source on the "don't worry this is crap".  That seems interesting.
23:36:55 <apotheon> Yes, I'm aware that's likely not a direct quote.