00:09:17 <chomwitt> daemonBlockChainHeight: Failed to connect to daemon 
00:09:38 <chomwitt> i always get that message and sync has stopped
00:12:27 <Guest39> playing with cli
00:13:20 <Guest39> Error: amount is wrong
00:13:30 <Guest39> wtf is it? :)
00:13:45 <Guest39> i am using 0,43546576897673456 - long number :)
00:15:08 <chomwitt> now gui client is frozen
00:15:18 <Guest39> use cli
00:15:26 <Guest39> its faster
00:16:15 <chomwitt> why cli would be so faster..
00:16:26 <chomwitt> doest make sense
00:16:33 <Guest39> no overload
00:16:40 <chomwitt> what overload?
00:16:49 <chomwitt> a simple gui?
00:17:31 <chomwitt> it cant connect 
00:18:08 <Guest39> use cli to connect :)
00:19:42 <chomwitt> so you know that .. that gui has issues ?
00:22:06 <chomwitt> going to sleep . goodnight!
02:09:26 <GlobalBanksta> is there an electrum app for monero?
02:10:10 <selsta> GlobalBanksta: check feather wallet
02:10:14 <selsta> it's the most similar to feather
02:10:35 <selsta> it's the most similar to electrum*
02:10:50 <GlobalBanksta> thanks
07:38:56 <chomwitt> goodmorning. my gui client for 2 hours had trouble establishing connection to sync the chain.
07:43:43 <chomwitt> now i got error 'Deamon failed to start local node not responding after 120 sec.
07:51:40 <chomwitt> Error: Couldn't connect to daemon: 127.0.0.1:18081
07:55:32 <Inge> is monerod running on your local machine?
07:55:58 <chomwitt> no
07:57:19 <chomwitt> shouldnt that happen after i press the key (start daemon)?
08:01:00 <Inge> I don't really use the GUI much. I think it should be possible to start it directly "externally" to the wallet, so you can be sure it is running, but someone else might now more details
08:29:19 <chomwitt> i think its my devuan init system.. That could explain why cant start or manage the deamon
09:13:09 <Inge> I much prefer having a monerod running 24/7 by itself
09:13:13 <Inge> then it is always ready 
13:56:44 <ndorf> zoom
20:17:26 <apotheon> ndorf: I'd prefer Matrix over Zoom if I had to do some teleconference shit.
22:23:04 <merope> Technical question: are Ring Signatures a type of zero-knowledge proof?
22:34:38 <hyc> pack it in boys, Monero will never be usable for the real world use case of a spoiled 9yo kid with an iPad.
22:39:41 <Vyko> why not? a bunch of easily usable software like Monerujo exist
22:40:15 <Vyko> not for iOS yet, but we are getting there
22:41:03 <hyc> no no, that's not good enough. Monero is doomed. https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/qu2dhq/monero_has_a_serious_user_friendly_problem/hkntvoo/
22:42:28 <hyc> it is unacceptable in this day and age to have software that doesn't run on iOS.
22:43:02 <hyc> whether iOS supports the required hardware capabilities or not is irrelevant
22:43:47 <Vyko> This guy was complaining about the GUI
22:43:53 <Vyko> In the reddit post you sent
22:44:08 <Vyko> GUI can always be improved
22:44:50 <Vyko> the iOS problem is real though I agree. We might see some kind of a webapp solution though in the future.
22:45:49 <Vyko> Also lets hope more and more people realize how privacy infringing Apple really is. Just look at their "child protection" stuff thats recent.
22:46:01 <hyc> it's all inane
22:46:05 <hyc> especially that
22:46:18 <Vyko> iOS and Monero is really hard to even mention in one sentence together
22:46:30 <Vyko> They are so distant
22:46:52 <Vyko> The userbase that wants both is almost non existent I think haha
22:47:04 <hyc> agreed
22:48:07 <Vyko> The good news is that if you are at least a little bit techie, using the Monero GUI with a ledger hw is really really comfortable.
22:48:25 <Vyko> Much more comfortable then messing around with paypal's shitty UI for example
22:48:32 <Vyko> So im really optimistic
22:48:54 <apotheon> Isn't there a Monero wallet that runs on iOS?
22:49:00 <apotheon> . . . or does someone want a miner for iOS?
22:49:06 <Vyko> I think thats a scam if im not mistaken
22:49:11 <Vyko> Freewallet or something
22:49:16 <apotheon> I wouldn't know.
22:49:19 <apotheon> I don't use iOS.
22:49:28 <Vyko> Not sure to be honest let me check 
22:50:20 <Vyko> Cakewallet is a legit one
22:50:48 <Vyko> And yeah Freewallet seems to be a scam
22:51:18 <Vyko> A very professional one 
22:51:30 <Vyko> their website would fool me
22:51:36 <Vyko> https://freewallet.org/xmr-wallet
22:52:56 <Vyko> Seems like when you try to withdraw any funds they hold it and dont let you
22:53:01 <hyc> freewallet is quite a resilient scam. or they have deep enough pockets to get Apple to keep deleting negative reviews
22:53:23 <Vyko> Funny how Apple acts instantly when they have a competition on there
22:53:35 <Vyko> But when there is an elaborate scam like this they just dont give a damn
22:53:37 <apotheon> Is Cake available on iOS?
22:53:38 <Vyko> Hypocrits
22:53:48 <Vyko> Yeah Cake is available
22:53:59 <Vyko> I think it might be the only safe option on iOS
22:54:15 <Vyko> But do check on a lot of online forums before you try it
22:54:20 <Vyko> You can never know
22:54:23 <apotheon> Well . . . there you go.  There's Monero on iOS.
22:54:37 <hyc> cake wallet was originally written for iOS
22:54:47 <apotheon> Ah, that's interesting.
22:54:51 <apotheon> I didn't realize that.
22:56:12 <Vyko> Whats the difference between monero community and this one?
22:56:20 <Vyko> I mean channels
22:56:39 <hyc> no idea. this one was first.
22:57:05 <hyc> I assume -community was specifically for the community workgroup
22:57:24 <hyc> this channel for general monero usage questions etc
22:57:32 <Vyko> yeah seems logical
22:57:45 <selsta> the GUI could theoretically be compiled for iOS
22:57:54 <selsta> we have an experimental android app
22:58:31 <Vyko> i think if the Monerujo devs would port their app that would be the perfect solution
22:58:35 <Vyko> That app is perfect
22:58:46 <Vyko> Almost like paying with your credit card
22:59:16 <Vyko> I mean in terms of usability, not privacy :D
22:59:46 <apotheon> Yep, ALIS says #monero-community is for a Community Workgroup.
23:00:04 <hyc> who's ALIS?
23:00:19 <apotheon> a Libera Chat bot
23:00:27 <apotheon> like ChanServ and so on
23:01:03 <apotheon> hyc: try /msg alis list *#monero* and you'll get a big list of channels with a little info about each.
23:01:11 <apotheon> s/try/Try/
23:01:29 <hyc> cool
23:01:42 <apotheon> . . . including whatever descriptive message is attached to it and the population number for the channel.
23:02:04 <apotheon> I like the globbing capability.
23:02:23 <apotheon> It's basically what you're supposed to use on Libera Chat instead of the /list command.
23:02:48 <Vyko> What other chats are out there like Libera?
23:02:54 <Vyko> This is actually my first day on IRC
23:03:44 <hyc> the granddaddy was freenode, which we all left because it got bought out by some profit-seeking parasite
23:04:25 <ocb> there is rizon :)
23:04:34 <apotheon> EFNet, IRCnet, OFTC, Anarplex, Undernet, and others
23:04:54 <hyc> I think irc.mozilla.org is still live
23:05:12 <hyc> if it's not open source dev related I wouldn't have seen it
23:05:32 <apotheon> I basically don't use more than three IRC networks, total, and two of them are so low-traffic that I almost don't use those, either.
23:06:03 <apotheon> One of the others is very privacy-oriented, and the other is just private.
23:07:01 <ocb> there is cyberia.is also privacy-oriented with onions :)
23:07:20 <apotheon> What's the cyberia deal?
23:08:10 <ocb> deal? they have irc, torrent tracker and a dot resolver with onion services for each
23:09:45 <ocb> and in the bottom you can see a list of vps providers supporting monero payments
23:09:49 <ocb> so i kind of like them :)
23:13:01 <apotheon> ocb: . . . so its organizing principle might be related to torrents, I guess.
23:13:10 <apotheon> Is that it?
23:13:20 <apotheon> Maybe I should try visiting the website.
23:13:51 <apotheon> hmm
23:14:04 <ocb> try. i am not sure whats the deal but i use  their torrent tracker when publishing torrents and their irc from time to time
23:14:15 <apotheon> VPN, BitTorrent, DNS resolution, and IRC
23:14:31 <apotheon> interesting
23:14:47 <apotheon> Maybe I'll check it out.
23:14:53 <ocb> i don't think they have vpn
23:15:27 <apotheon> Sorry, I meant VPS.
23:15:43 <apotheon> . . . though it looks like that's just a list, not actual services offered.
23:17:33 <ocb> yeah its a list, i used one from the list for a pruned btc node and all is ok
23:17:42 <ocb> paid with monero :)
23:24:48 <Vyko> sounds cool thanks for the info
23:25:19 <Vyko> can I be simultaneously be connected to multiple servers?
23:25:30 <Vyko> from 1 client?
23:26:59 <ocb> depends on the client, but all well known clients support connecting to multiple irc servers
23:27:20 <ocb> so yeah you can connect to 100 irc servers if you want, so to say
23:27:31 <Vyko> nice. I llike how lightweight it is
23:27:39 <ocb> what client are you using
23:27:49 <Vyko> I mean much more practical for troubleshooting than going on reddit or something
23:27:55 <Vyko> Konversation
23:28:20 <ocb> ah haven't used it
23:28:40 <ocb> well there is always a 'man' command for troubleshooting :)
23:29:00 <Vyko> haha well not for a problem I had 2 hours ago
23:29:19 <Vyko> "Anyone encountered a bug when Discover doesn't let you update because it gets into an endless loop of Fetching for updates > Listing them > Fetching for updates..."
23:29:22 <Vyko> this was it
23:29:41 <Vyko> its solved now with an update
23:30:06 <ocb> aham, glad you solved it
23:31:02 <Vyko> can I like write to you without a query?
23:31:13 <Vyko> So that everyone sees it but you get notified?
23:31:36 <ocb> i don't understand the question
23:32:10 <Vyko> so does IRC has a solution for texting in the main chat but specifically TO someone?
23:32:14 <Vyko> who will get notified
23:32:21 <Vyko> but all this without having a private conversation
23:32:39 <ocb> maybe you're looking for /notice ?
23:33:20 <Vyko> Not really
23:33:30 <Vyko> let me fire up a documentation
23:34:44 <Vyko> it says about notice "Sends a private message to nickname without opening a query window for either you or them."
23:34:54 <Vyko> thats a cool feature