00:28:24 <lantech19446> I'm interested in something, I'm really new to the world of crypto and I just watched a networkchuck video about the fact that you can mine monero with a rasp pi. I understand i'm not going to get rich I really just want to do it for the hell of doing it but if it's not a tradeable currency how do you cash out?
00:30:34 <nioc> it is tradeable but you will get virtually nothing mining with a pi
00:34:58 <lantech19446> that's ok I have very little interest in mining I just wanted to try it for the heck of being able to say i did it. Apparently it's not tradeable on coinbase at least which is the exchange i'm on right now but how would I go about cashing out whatever I end up with?
00:39:29 <cornfeedhobo> nioc: for independent people, it's best to think about it more like buying a lottery ticket
00:40:25 <nioc> lantech19446: kraken is a good exchange
00:42:01 <lantech19446> ok I'll check it out, someone else had recommended binance but they're not available in the states so I wound up going with coinbase
00:42:41 <nioc> kraken is in almost all the states, just not NY and one other that I don't remember
00:43:45 <lantech19446> knowing my luck Pennsylvania lol
00:43:57 <nioc> you are in luck  :)
00:44:19 <lantech19446> so what are the fees like?
00:45:11 <nioc> no idea, I'm in NY  :D
00:45:18 <lantech19446> lol ok
00:46:23 <lantech19446> kraken certainly gives a lot of information
00:47:24 <nioc> from all that I have heard they are an excellent exchange 
00:52:18 <lantech19446> so is the exchange how I cash out? I haven't gotten that far yet lol
01:35:46 <merope> You can sell on an exchange for USD and cash out (watch those withdrawal fees though, they're quite high for SWIFT transfers), or you can sell directly to other people via localmonero.co
01:36:37 <lantech19446> ok
01:41:21 <lantech19446> I found a way to make even less than a raspberry pi miner, I'm going to use my phone to mine this damn thing has been benchmarking for like 10 minutes lol
01:44:19 <selsta> mining on your phone will be next to pointless
01:44:37 <nioc> I thought some were better than a pi
01:45:15 <selsta> yes
01:45:24 <selsta> still pointless :D
01:45:58 <lantech19446> some of the new pi's have 8 gigs of ram you're not getting anywhere near that on a phone and yea selsta I agree i'm not in it to make money i just want to see it done lol
01:46:26 <selsta> raspberry pi doesn't have hardware accelerated AES
01:46:34 <selsta> phone are better in that regard
01:46:38 <selsta> phones*
01:47:36 <lantech19446> we'll see what happens if this ever finishes benchmarking, nothing in the description says it needs to be rooted so hopefully it's not going to just spin and spin all night
01:49:08 <lantech19446> I'm not deluded into thinking i'm ever going to get rich off this stuff I'm doing a 10 dollar challenge with another channel I'm in and it's kind of interesting to me from a networking and security standpoint so it's really something to play with for now
01:49:33 <nioc> good luck  :)
01:50:13 <lantech19446> thanks 
03:23:32 <lantech19446> ok so i loaded xmrig on my laptop got it configured added a wallet etc and i've gotten a bunch of accepts, how long does it usually take to see how little is going into the wallet lol
03:29:44 <merope> Which pool are you mining on?
03:30:07 <Mochi101> lantech19446, depends on the pool, but generally they will have a threshold which you'll have to reach before your xmr credit gets transferred into your wallet.
03:30:19 <lantech19446> o ok
03:30:54 <lantech19446> i'm probably never getting any then cuz it uses entirely too much processor i don't want to run my laptop that high all the time
03:31:32 <merope> For the lowest thresholds, I suggest a pool like xmr.pool.gntl.co.uk (bonus: it's a smaller pool, so you're supporting decentralization)
03:33:17 <merope> You can check your pending balance on the pool's dashboard - it will go up ~2h after each block found by the pool that you've contributed to
03:35:48 <lantech19446> ok
04:13:49 <scara> I feal like monero is syncing slower then it used to, is there something that makes monero sync slower, the more you have synced?
04:15:01 <selsta> scara: which version are you using?
04:15:18 <selsta> the more transactions / month the slower sync will be
04:15:26 <selsta> also if you are past the last checkpoint sync will also be slower
04:15:45 <scara> Monero 'Oxygen Orion' (v0.17.3.0-72e778a04)
04:15:49 <scara> Checkpoint?
04:16:38 <selsta> which height are you currently?
04:16:57 <scara> I Synced 2148190/2515863 (85%, 367673 left)
04:17:07 <selsta> SSD, HDD?
04:17:18 <scara> HDD but its pretty fast.
04:17:25 <selsta> HDD is the issue
04:17:36 <scara> I just told you its fast.
04:17:52 <Mochi101> lol
04:17:53 <selsta> it doesn't matter how fast it is, this is sequential writing
04:17:57 <scara> I also said it used to be very fast at syncing but it feals like it has slowed down the syncing speed.
04:18:08 <selsta> this isn't sequential writing
04:18:20 <scara> A what?
04:18:34 <scara> Its like 50Mbps
04:18:39 <selsta> yes
04:18:47 <selsta> I told you this is irrelevant for syncing
04:19:18 <selsta> syncing actually verifies blocks and transactions, and for that it has to read a lot
04:19:38 <scara> ok
04:19:47 <selsta> random reading is way faster with SSDs, that's the bottleneck
04:20:28 <scara> Thay should make a HDD with 2 needs so you can read at the same time.
04:20:39 <scara> s/needs/needles/
04:21:11 <selsta> monero usage increased over the years, that means each block has more transactions and it gets slower to sync
04:21:15 <selsta> that's also why it gets slower over time
04:21:30 <orly_owl> or a hdd that has no moving parts and uses flash memory
04:21:42 <scara> No limit on block size?
04:21:55 <scara> orly_owl: Oh like a big usb.
04:22:05 <selsta> I mean monero's block size is dynamic
04:22:13 <selsta> but even at the smallest block size blocks used to be mostly empty
04:22:26 <selsta> and it increased over the years
04:23:23 <scara> Oh also is there a way I can see the hash of the latest block? I see some people write the last bitcoin block hash in their canarys, I wonder if its possible with monero.
04:24:21 <selsta> `print_block`
04:24:43 <selsta> together with tx_id or block height
04:24:45 <scara> -bash: print_block: command not found
04:25:00 <selsta> inside the daemon
04:31:30 <scara> cool
04:32:00 <orly_owl> scara: yeah but like inside the computer
04:32:20 <scara> Internal USB!
04:32:28 <orly_owl> o_0
04:32:39 <scara> (thay exist, look it up)
04:32:47 <orly_owl> i know, usb headers
04:33:10 <orly_owl> also some motherboards have a regular usb port on them
04:33:16 <scara> No I meant like usb ports on the motherboard, servers use them.
04:33:21 <orly_owl> mhm
04:33:40 <scara> Yea, like you see the sata ports? It will just be a usb port instead.
04:35:36 <scara> You can also do some weird cool usb thing where you connect a usb to a server, login and then disconnect the usb, the usb can contain luks headers so if your server gets stolen, no one gets the information especially if the ram is sodered on. Saw this on vc's blog.
04:35:58 <orly_owl> sounds LUKy
04:36:02 <orly_owl> ba dam tish
04:36:20 <orly_owl> vc?
04:36:21 <scara> How is it lucky?
04:36:45 <orly_owl> lucky cos your data is secured against theft!
04:36:57 <scara> Oh, I keep forgetting not everyone knows who everone I know is. I meant vincent canfield, the cock.li guy (https://vc.gg)
04:37:28 <orly_owl> oh that guy looool
04:37:29 <orly_owl> ok
04:39:22 <scara> orly_owl: here it is https://vc.gg/blog/migrating-cockbox-to-native-zfs-root-with-encryption-and-minimal-downtime.html
04:39:33 <scara> Looks like he uses a sd card but same thing.
04:39:50 <orly_owl> ty
04:40:27 <orly_owl> sd cards have a SoC on them, idk if that makes them less secure
04:54:21 <scara> USB connected HDDs for the extra paranoid :-)
05:13:42 <Mochi101> Super fast USB connected HDDs
07:37:25 <scara> I'm planing on building a small web app in the future but I was thinking it would be sad if my terible code didn't work. Does anyone know if its possible to get free monero on the TEST network?
09:40:25 <u221f_> wut? "2021-12-16 09:39:55.569 W There were 9 blocks in the last 60 minutes, there might be large hash rate changes, or we might be partitioned, cut off from the Monero network or under attack, or your computer's time is off. Or it could be just sheer bad luck."
09:40:46 <u221f_> Height: 2516007/2516007 (100.0%) on mainnet, not mining, net hash 2.87 GH/s, v14, 67(out)+20(in) connections, uptime 5d 21h 23m 22s
09:41:43 <u221f_> my other nodes are ok
09:46:29 <selsta> scara: https://melo.tools/ has a testnet faucet
09:47:11 <selsta> u221f_: as long as your node is on the same height as on xmrchain.net you can ignore that message
09:47:22 <selsta> it just means there were less blocks than expected
09:48:46 <u221f_> selsta: it's not, stuck at 2516007 with several p2p connections (both in and out)
09:49:10 <u221f_> maybe a segregation attack?
09:50:09 <selsta> don't think there is any attack
09:50:35 <selsta>  all my nodes at least are on the correct block height
09:51:02 <selsta> what's the output of sync_info ?
09:51:55 <u221f_> https://paste.centos.org/view/9ef9d652
09:52:23 <u221f_> restart doesn't help, i will try deleting p2pstate.bin next
09:52:23 <selsta> why do you only have 7 peers?
09:52:34 <selsta> was this just after restart?
09:52:38 <u221f_> yes
09:53:33 <selsta> what kind of hardware is this node hosted on? external hard drive?
09:53:43 <u221f_> deleted p2pstate.bin and now "monerod is now disconnected from the network"  and still stuck
09:54:36 <u221f_> m.2 nvme with ext4, plenty of space available and no errors in dmesg/smartctl
09:54:44 <selsta> after deleting p2pstate.bin it will take a bit to get fresh peers
09:55:11 <selsta> does it show IPs getting banned after a couple mins?
09:56:11 <u221f_> yes, before deleting p2pstate.bin it was constant flow of banned messages and "Sync data returned a new top block candidate" from different hosts
09:56:34 <selsta> sounds like corrupted blockchain unfortunately
09:58:01 <u221f_> could be then, the hardware is few weeks old and quite high-end, but data corruption is always possible
09:58:14 <selsta>  it's most likely some super rare bug
09:59:02 <selsta> with v0.17.3.0 + nvme you should be quickly synced up again
09:59:54 <u221f_> rm -rf lmdb and let's see how it goes
10:35:30 <scara> selsta: awesome, thanks.
16:56:09 <nioc> https://twitter.com/sethforprivacy/status/1471472167837736966?s=20
22:46:32 <cornfeedhobo> neat