00:02:09 the different cryptonight versions were monero specific so you won't find them on cryptonote.org 00:02:25 you'll have to go through GitHub to find the exact changes 04:31:46 in december i bought some monero from https://changenow.io/ with creditcard, didnt have to upload passport, now i tried buying a bigger sum, but was asked for passport.. is there a limit when i have to upload passport? 04:34:54 eoc, https://changenow.io/faq/kyc-aml-procedure 04:35:02 secret sauce and you got lucky 04:41:10 :| 04:48:04 they dont seem to have charge my card, dunno if i can just ignore it then, the text seems a bit unclear ... 04:48:22 3 days to validate and get back money after 24h ... 04:58:46 Sorry, I've never used the service. 04:58:57 Wish I could be more of a help to you. 04:59:14 If they didn't charge your card though, you can likely ignore it. 04:59:35 ill just send them an email in case ... but damn i was nervous about this stuff from before ... 05:08:40 > Usually, we answer within half an hour. 05:08:42 wow.. 05:09:03 what do you use to buy monero? 05:12:49 Kraken is nice but they also have KYC 05:13:22 hm yeah, you basically have to upload passport to buy? 05:17:10 try localmonero.co 05:18:36 i actually looked a bit there, hmm .. 05:26:40 they said they neede some time to look into it .. come to think of it i didnt get to the part where i had to authorize it throught the bank, so i guess they wouldnt get access to the money ... 05:26:54 jaja ... 05:47:25 ok, seems to be ok to just abondon it, they were fast indeed, a bit back and forth ... 07:25:08 do you need KYC to do crypto-crypto on Kraken? 07:34:56 i think so 07:35:09 used to be not, but unless i'm mistaken it was changed a couple years back 07:35:54 maybe depends on your country, too. i dunno 11:30:25 inge: yes you do 11:52:31 https://nitter.net/mozilla/status/1479143340159422468 17:13:12 how did this happen? https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/ryc2ep/proof_i_lost_393_xmr_in_a_transaction_fee_only/ 17:13:24 could the high tier actually cause a fee of ~4 xmr? 17:16:21 Fee multipliers are 1, 5, 25, 1000. 17:16:55 is that the official GUI wallet? 17:17:06 feels like there should be a warning if the proposed fee is >100% of the sending amount 17:19:26 GUI v0.17.3.1 binaries are now online, thank you to all contributors 17:21:14 I wonder why it was so high. 17:23:29 Tx size: 1.9219 kB 17:23:48 nothing extraordinary 17:25:17 https://xmrchain.net/tx/14148736aefac57d11313138bbad22758db5ee97af1abf118f5da64dc17d5b5c 17:26:16 moneromooo this tx's fee is way more than 1000x of the lowest fee 17:30:19 fee per KB: 2.048 looks suspicious 17:31:26 this is how it looks in the GUI with max fee https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/6OVya5vA/Screenshot%202022-01-07%20at%2018.31.09.png 17:31:31 hmmm... no kidding 17:32:10 i wonder if that dude would share logs or something 17:38:02 aight, they are interested in sharing stuff. whats the best way to send stuff, and what would be useful? 19:15:54 having a hard time seeing how a malicious public node would benefit from the high fee, unless they think they'll be the ones to mine the next block? 19:23:23 Griefing? 19:24:00 same reason why people DoS nodes 19:24:03 just to be annoying 19:24:29 so far it's still only one person who had this issue 19:24:48 Bonus deanonymization points if the victim ends up containing on a public forum, so you have a username to associate with their ip address 19:28:18 CIA going after random Monero users... 19:28:23 Doesn't seem likely. 20:00:23 is there any reason excessively high fees shouldn't be rejected by the network? 20:18:17 Why would you want network rejection of excessively high fees though ndorf ? 20:20:20 such transactions will stand out like a sore thumb 20:21:50 "excessive" in this context meaning higher than the 1000x mult 20:24:04 What does it matter if it 'stands out like a sore thumb' though? 20:26:24 i didn't think the desirability of indistinguishable transactions was still an open question 20:28:29 This whole thing confuses me, but it seems like an opportunity to learn something. First, I was under the impression that the fee is part of the transaction which would be signed by the private key, so a node shouldn't be able to tamper with it without breaking that signature. Second, the CLI only shows four fee levels (unimportant, normal, elevated, priority)- I didn't realize it was even possible to set a manual fee outside of these op 20:28:29 tions. 20:28:56 that is correct, but it's all based on a fee estimated from current network conditions and provided by the node 20:29:11 ah, all clear now 20:29:25 the excessive fee is shown to the user before they sign it, but if they're not paying close enough attention... 20:32:07 that's why I want to add a warning to the GUI if the fee appears abnormally high 20:32:30 +1 20:32:49 yep. only question is how does the GUI determine what too high means? 20:33:37 >X% of the sending amount would be a good start, but wouldn't catch the ones where the sending amount is high 20:33:58 hence why i'm asking about a consensus rule (in addition to a GUI warning) 20:34:18 e.g. GUI warns if fee > 10% sent, network rejects if fee > 1000 * base 20:34:32 Wouldn't the person putting those txs on the chain already be able to identify their own txs anyways ndorf? I don't see how restricting maximum network fees would be of any value. 20:35:17 everyone can see the fee amount, not just the sender 20:35:32 yes 20:37:04 well, that is not consistent with the long-standing goal that transactions should be as close to indistinguishable as possible 20:37:55 Wouldn't 500 * base still stick out like crazy? 20:38:04 or 250? 20:38:29 When I send a tx that includes pre-bulletproof outputs it sticks out 20:38:53 i'm not sure i understand your point. is it that if we can't get to 100% perfection, we shouldn't bother with any improvements at all? 20:40:35 would you also oppose the fee quantization mask, dummy change output, and other measures that have already been deployed? 20:41:52 no 20:42:04 but I do oppose the removal of integrated addresses 20:42:35 sure, at least there is a use case for those. 20:42:46 not sure i see any valid use case for a fee >1000x base? 20:42:58 if you want to donate to miners you can do so directly, and privately :) 20:43:41 why make things more complicated for something that might come up once in 7 years? 20:44:14 it's not complicated at all. if (fee > 1000 * base) { reject(); } 20:45:40 every legit node that has the latest block agrees on the base fee already 20:45:45 Could likely be exploited against someone to verify their identity. 20:45:52 how so? 20:47:02 Well, of course by that point they'd already have been compromised anyways. 20:48:37 Altered wallet that sets a really high fee... if it's connected to your node and your node rejects it. 20:49:00 how is that worse than the same node allowing it? 20:49:51 So now you're agreeing with me that it doesn't matter? 20:49:56 ;) 20:50:15 no 20:51:12 if it's rejected then only one node will see it. if not, it will be recorded in the blockchain for everyone to see forever 20:54:43 Wouldn't multiple nodes be rejecting it? 20:55:20 Pretty sure my tx can't be rejected from the entire network with just one node rejecting it. 20:55:29 only if the node being used for RPC doesn't reject it first 20:55:51 and even so, a few nodes is still better than every node + permanent public record 20:58:19 Alright, I'll agree to the blocking of crazy high tx fees if you'll agree not to remove the integrated addresses support. 20:58:30 deal lol 20:58:40 although i think i saw a proposal to remove tx_extra altogether 20:58:53 yeah 20:59:10 it's been in discussion on and off for years now 20:59:39 The discussion was recently re-opened 21:03:16 i'm partial to keeping integrated addresses, but i also am open to the idea that the downsides might outweigh the upsides 21:04:28 Me too, I don't like the forced housekeeping that's required with sub-addresses. 21:04:57 another possible benefit to integrated addresses (maybe not, just thinking out loud here) is that the sender can be sure they're sending to the same recipient 21:05:19 IOW: i buy something from your store. a year later, i buy a second thing. i can be sure i am sending funds to the same primary address as before 21:06:43 Yes