00:14:52 <selsta> 23:50 <ndorf> poorly, last i checked <-- it works fine if the room is configured correctly
00:15:10 <selsta> but this channel isn't bridged yet :/
00:15:21 <selsta> soon^tm
00:29:18 <nioc> should make a bounty for it
00:42:40 <apotheon> kinda back
00:43:06 <apotheon> nioc: a bounty that dwindles over time
00:43:30 <ndorf> but never to zero. tail emission
00:44:16 <apotheon> The problem with that is that the way such bounties typically work with Monero would require refunding money over time to make the total dwindle.
00:48:34 <nioc> I just sent a query
00:51:03 <apotheon> . . . to whom/what?
00:52:38 <nioc> seems that the channel is too big to be bridged by us so it has to be done by the matrix devs who have been unresponsive after several requests
00:54:52 <nioc> so it's not because of the great monero community 
00:56:25 <nioc> I was thinking about to bribing fluffypony with these to get it done >> 
00:56:26 <nioc> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/xgiBpX5r/20220106_141957.jpg
00:57:54 <apotheon> Those are horrific.
00:58:00 <apotheon> They should match his watch.
00:58:01 <nioc> lol
00:59:27 <apotheon> meaning "they look like they would", not "change them so they do"
01:00:08 <nioc> ah
01:00:34 <nioc> so maybe it will work
01:00:50 <apotheon> yep
02:20:48 <apotheon> .ldoge tip nioc all
02:20:49 <Wallet> apotheon tipped 0.1337 LDOGE to nioc [505af765]
02:22:09 <apotheon> nioc: Hopefully you can convert that into something for the bounty.  Har.
02:29:10 <nioc> .balances 
02:29:11 <Wallet> nioc: Balances • ≈0 DOGE • ≈0.53 LDOGE • ≈0.09 PETAL • (≈$0 USD)  • Staking: N/A • [N] Messages: 1
02:31:00 <apotheon> What . . . no Monero?
02:31:44 <apotheon> As quantities of shitcoins (e.g. Dogecoin and LDOGE) appear unbidden, I pass them on to the deserving.
02:32:28 <nioc> Thx  :D
02:33:13 <Mochi101> .petal tip nioc 0.1337
02:33:13 <Wallet> Mochi101 tipped 0.1337 PETAL to nioc [e650fd3a]
02:33:45 <nioc> Thx Mochi101 
02:33:55 <Mochi101> You deserve it nioc
02:34:06 <nioc> Cat will be happy 
02:34:33 <Mochi101> Is she ever not?
02:34:53 <nioc> Very rarely 
02:35:34 <Mochi101> good
02:36:38 <apotheon> nioc: In this case, Mochi101 gave it to me.
02:37:05 <apotheon> I tried giving some to Mochi101 a few times, but Mochi101 kept giving it back.
02:37:17 <Mochi101> I'm a giver
02:37:34 <apotheon> If someone gave me Monero, though, I'd keep it.
02:37:42 <apotheon> (or maybe donate it to the bot)
02:37:45 <Mochi101> Maybe you've seen my pic. I was giver.jpg on goatse.cx
02:37:51 <apotheon> nice
02:38:08 <nioc> Everytime I check the price of gold I think of Mochi101 
02:38:12 <apotheon> Oh?
02:38:14 <apotheon> Why's that?
02:38:30 <nioc> He likes gold
02:38:33 <apotheon> Mochi101: Are you the one controlling gold exchange rates?  I have a request, if so.
02:38:58 <apotheon> I'd like it to stay below 1720 for three weekdays in a row soon.
02:39:01 <Mochi101> apotheon, if I was controlling gold exchange rates it'd be $5k per ounce right now.
02:39:20 <apotheon> You can jack it up to 5K after that.  I have no problem with that.
02:39:42 <Mochi101> apotheon, that's very unlikely... Unless Biden fixes the financial system (again).
02:39:56 <apotheon> Even more importantly right now, though, I need Litecoin to be about 90+% of Monero price for a few days.
02:40:01 <apotheon> "fixes"
02:40:14 <apotheon> not "repairs", but "price-fixes" like a conspirator
02:40:40 <apotheon> It got down to low 1730s for about two hours recently, but that wasn't long enough for my needs.
02:41:58 <Mochi101> I should have bought more at $1275 per ounce
02:42:21 <Mochi101> but no... I waited and bought at $1525 per ounce...
02:42:36 <Mochi101> I'm such an idiot.
02:43:06 <nioc> Should have bought montero at 50 cents
02:43:13 <Mochi101> no kidding
02:44:16 <apotheon> I should've known about Monero at 50c.
02:44:46 <apotheon> . . . and about how to get it "cleanly".
02:46:21 <apotheon> I have a friend who is so far from being ready to go down the privacy rabbit hole that it wouldn't even be worthwhile to give her a Monero for her birthday, and that makes me sad.
02:52:39 <Mochi101> very sad
02:53:15 <Mochi101> apotheon, I can sell you clean Monero. It'll be at a premium price though.
02:53:51 <Mochi101> Virgin, untraceable XMR.
02:54:34 <apotheon> I have a reasonable path for Monero already, but thanks.  I appreciate the offer.
02:57:36 <Mochi101> Well, if you ever want the good stuff. You know where to find me.
02:58:26 <apotheon> Thanks.
02:58:35 <apotheon> Define "premium".
02:58:44 <apotheon> . . . just "slightly above going rate"?
03:00:12 <Mochi101> lol
03:00:18 <Mochi101> nah man
03:00:35 <Mochi101> I'm a HODLer... I've never sold XMR for fiat.
03:01:00 <apotheon> i'm a little confused.  It seems like you're saying you wouldn't sell it at all, now.
03:01:25 <Mochi101> Well... Sort of waiting for $5k per XMR
03:01:30 <apotheon> I see.
03:01:35 <Mochi101> Then I'll consider.
03:02:38 <Mochi101> What price would you consider apotheon ?
03:03:28 <apotheon> just slightly above going rate
03:10:20 <Mochi101> No apotheon, I mean to sell yours.
03:14:26 <apotheon> holy cow
03:14:27 <apotheon> umm
03:14:55 <apotheon> double current premium for where I'd get it
03:49:07 <alMalsamo> Hi all, someone in China asked me about how to mine without the CCP detecting their internet traffic to see they are mining (it is illegal there now)
03:49:33 <alMalsamo> What are the ways to anonymize Monero mining to evade government detection?
04:06:56 <torg> So I'm new to Monero and Crypto in general.  Been in tech all my life, just not much of a finance guy.  Any idea why the price dipped so much in the past few days?
04:31:59 <gingeropolous> torg, dunno which price ure talking about. but price talk generally happens in #monero-markets, though its quiet these days it seems. 
04:32:25 <gingeropolous> but in general, crypto moves because the movement allows people to make money. so ppl making the moves make the money. 
04:33:31 <gingeropolous> i mean, thats true of any free open market that has speculative ... uhmm.... tools.
04:33:38 <torg> true, yeah I noticed the market price on it dropped from hovering around 250 to 180 over the past few days and now its back up to 220, just wondering if something happened to cause such a drop.  Where do you go for news on monero?
04:34:00 <gingeropolous> ure there
04:34:02 <torg> No I understand thats normal, just curious if anybody knew of a reason
04:34:12 <torg> oh good :)
04:34:22 <gingeropolous> here, keepin tabs on the monero github
04:34:33 <gingeropolous> keepin tabs on monero research lab 
04:34:43 <torg> hmm
04:34:46 <torg> good to know
04:34:47 <gingeropolous> most of the stuff ends up trickling out onto reddit.com/r/monero and twitter verse
04:34:54 <gingeropolous> twitterverse
04:35:07 <torg> good, been to the reddit.  Not much of a twitter guy myself
04:35:19 <gingeropolous> semi official officially official news ends up on getmonero.org :) 
04:35:43 <torg> Was at defcon and visited the crypto village and the monero guy has me convinced
04:36:05 <gingeropolous> oh word. the missionaries are working! :)
04:36:11 <gingeropolous> which defcon?
04:36:12 <torg> lol!
04:36:15 <torg> last one
04:36:17 <torg> 29
04:36:27 <torg> very excited for 30
04:36:42 <gingeropolous> well, welcome to the circus
04:37:14 <torg> Thanks gingeropolous!  The community seems very awesome.
04:38:20 <gingeropolous> its something else all right :)
04:38:28 <torg> I was having a hard time finding good exchanges that carry monero.  Looks like kraken is the one I'll go with
04:39:29 <torg> been mining using the GUI tool on my desktop for the past 3 weeks but have not found a block yet.  I'm assuming thats normal
04:39:35 <gingeropolous> yeah if u want straightforward AML / KYC "sir, yes sir mr regulators sir" access to monero, kraken is the way
04:40:04 <torg> cool, thats what I was finding out with research as well, thanks ginger
04:40:57 <gingeropolous> yeah, finding a block solo mining is a rare event, but it happens
04:41:18 <torg> do you recommend pool mining over solo?
04:41:24 <gingeropolous> negative!
04:42:00 <gingeropolous> pools are evil centralizing forces that ... nah there not that bad
04:42:00 <torg> oh ok!  Good!  Thats what I decided based on my limited research but good to know
04:42:09 <torg> lol!
04:42:31 <gingeropolous> i mean its a mixed bag. pooled mining gets the little guy interested with constant payouts
04:42:44 <gingeropolous> but its ultimately 1 block producer blah blah blah.
04:43:10 <gingeropolous> if you want a challenge, you can check out p2pool. its like the best of both worlds, pooled mining but in a decentralized manner
04:43:23 <gingeropolous> i assume ure on windows or something. i haven't fiddled with it on windows
04:43:28 <gingeropolous> but i know its doable
04:43:31 <torg> Yeah I'm not that much into the mining.  I usually have my personal laptop running during the day while I'm at work so I figured I might as well put it to use while its up.  Not expecting to get much coin if any
04:44:07 <torg> Yeah my home desktop is windows, all other devices are linux
04:44:21 <gingeropolous> roight roight. 
04:46:05 <torg> how important is it to have a hardware wallet over one living on my PC?  I back it up to a USB stick and lock it in my safe... I know its not as secure as a hardware wallet but backing it up to USB and locking it in a safe makes it at least safe from me losing it right?
04:51:17 <gingeropolous> a lot of ppl like hardware wallets. I don't understand the allure. 
04:51:44 <gingeropolous> So the key really isn't backing it up to USB and locking it in a safe... its how secure your computing environment is/was when you generate your keys
04:52:00 <gingeropolous> if u know dis just tell me to stop :)
04:52:49 <gingeropolous> .. and how secure your computing environment is when you use your keys
04:53:44 <gingeropolous> hardware wallets provide a sense of security because the hardware is presumably secure because thats why they made it that way with the things where the data can't escape and stuff
04:59:32 <torg> that makes so much more sense!  Thank you!!  ok, I feel good about that.  Thank you so much ginger!  This has helped.  K, I'm out. have a good one and again, THANK YOU!
05:01:47 <gingeropolous> lata
05:09:56 <alMalsamo> gingeropolous: Do you know anything about anonymizing XMR mining traffic?
14:05:16 <gingeropolous> mining traffic?
14:28:11 <apotheon> gingeropolous: I suspect that means all network traffic identifiable as related to Monero that is produced during mining to not be traceable to the miner.
14:28:36 <apotheon> gingeropolous: . . . so, for instance, everything going through Tor and not identifying the miner with metadata or something like that.
14:29:21 <gingeropolous> according to knowledgeable folks, this can just be done with xmrig-proxy and TLS/SSL
14:29:22 <apotheon> Of course, the answer (other than everything going through Tor) is probably "Immediately send all your received Monero to another address, and don't use the mining address for anything else."
14:31:45 <apotheon> I don't know enough about xmrig-proxy to know how that anonymizes anything.
14:32:34 <gingeropolous> it doesn't really. your miners would just connect over an encrypted tunnel to some other server somewhere, and that other server would connect to a pool
14:33:06 <gingeropolous> so the prying eyes would just see a SSL connection to some random server
14:36:25 <apotheon> That server, and someone monitoring *it* though, would reveal the fact it's for mining, so that seems less than anonymous.
14:40:34 <gingeropolous> well presumably the second server is out of the scope 
14:46:57 <sech1> yes, the question was about how to stay under the radar in China
14:47:32 <ocb> he could do something like, get a small/cheap vps in ok country, setup web server supporting ssl/tls ie nginx,lighttpd,apache. then setup shadowsocks/stunnel server or just tls/ssl proxy on vps which will make traffic look like https. this tunnel will be used to proxy mining traffic the trick is to host shadowsocks/stunnel on same port as web server, but use iptables to 'dissect' traffic based on
14:47:34 <ocb> source address. iptables rule that says if source address is his mining equipment and traffic arrives to 443 where normal https page is shown, redirect that traffic to internal port ie 5555 that is the shadowsocks/stunnel port which routes traffic to the outside world. this way anyone visiting port he is connecting to, will see its a regular https site. downside is that one should ensure the great
14:47:36 <ocb> firewall doesnt already know how to see shadowsocks/stunnel traffic by packets and maybe use some other obfuscation method.
14:49:41 <apotheon> TLS over ICMP . . . ?  (I kid, mostly.)
14:53:16 <ocb> never did icmp but did http over dns on mobile internet isps that keep allowing dns when plan expires. too much hassle and issues with any larger traffic.
20:00:00 <Guest4> Hi all, i often read that Monero has the 3rd largest developer community. Do you know of any sources for that statement?
20:06:01 <nioc> Guest4: probably comes from github
20:22:23 <Guest4> yes, but who did the comparison? :)
20:23:12 <selsta> someone who compared contributors most likely
20:23:21 <selsta> the number is a couple years old so I don't know if it's still accurate