14:44:22 <NorrinRadd> most of the places i see to buy monero are either kyc or don't support USD.  am i missing something? 
14:44:35 <NorrinRadd> sadly, it seems pretty hard to on-ramp 
15:05:28 <nioc> seems to be the case
15:05:40 <nioc> there is localmonero 
16:02:56 <leonarth> NorrinRadd use localmonero to buy directly from people
16:03:20 <leonarth> but be aware that you won't get the market price
16:15:07 <gingeropolous> NorrinRadd, it seems hard to on-ramp if your trying to avoid KYC. if that's your preference, thats fine, and it seems to be the way for most crypto.
16:15:33 <gingeropolous> i mean, if u can find a non-kyc way to get bitcoin, u can move bitcoin to whatever exchange offers monero
16:21:07 <localmonero05> gingeropolous: azte.co vouchers for KYC-free bitcoin. Easy on-ramp.
16:21:27 <localmonero05> 4-5% premium, however. Not too hefty, vs. Bisq prices, for instance.
19:43:23 <apotheon> Litecoin seems like a better onramp, to me.  It moves faster and more cheaply.
19:43:40 <apotheon> (compared to BTC)
19:44:31 <hyc> yeah, I also used LTC to get from onramps to poloniex, back in the days before kraken got xmr
19:45:14 <hyc> BTC has always been unusable in comparison
19:47:57 <apotheon> pretty much
19:48:10 <apotheon> That's why Litecoin came to be, in the first place.
19:48:15 <apotheon> (as I understand it)
20:51:10 <nioc> litecoin came to be before fees were an issue
20:51:24 <nioc> it came to be for $$$$$$$
20:52:25 <apotheon> I think its value was meant to be speed.
20:52:48 <apotheon> Fees just ended up being a benefit as well, relative to BTC, when BTC went off the deep end.
20:52:54 <apotheon> gotta run along, though
20:52:55 <apotheon> ta
20:53:02 <nioc> o/