06:00:33 <eoc> kraken: "Withdrawals to digital wallets are not supported." ... i assume you can send to your external wallet? but you can also store cc on kraken without external wallet? kraken help text are quite confusing
06:00:53 * eoc waiting for tranfer of money to kraken...
06:17:46 <selsta> I never bought with CC on Kraken
06:18:33 <selsta> but if you use Kraken Pro you can do withdrawals fine
06:18:48 <selsta> at least I think it's called Kraken Pro, the normal interface... not the credit card one
14:24:51 <binaryFate> HEADS UP FOR MATRIX USERS: The Monero matrix server (monero.social) will be down for 1-2h starting Friday Jan 28th, 1:00AM GMT. We will migrate it to a new host. Hopefully no data should be lost.
15:19:42 <eoc> is 135 the bottom? :>
15:20:13 <rottenstonks> eoc: Take it to #monero-markets.
15:21:43 <eoc> rottenstonks: okok
16:00:32 <eoc> do you have 2 step authentication? i DONT want google stuff :|
16:00:46 <eoc> (which kraken suggests)
16:01:58 <eoc> finally got some monero on kraken :p
16:11:50 <merope> eoc: Aegis Authenticator if you're on Android. Bonus: you can do encrypted backups of all your 2FA tokens, as well as editing them
16:14:57 <eoc> i would rather use sms, can i just not add 2 step auth? kraken seem quite insistent tho ...
16:17:26 <moneromooo> Scammers will thank you for choosing sms over totp.
16:18:16 <raecarruth> learn to 2fa right eoc 
16:21:02 <merope> ^
16:21:39 <merope> SMS is the worst possible form of 2FA, and companies/websites that force you to use it are morons
16:21:59 <eoc> just dont like to depend on android...
16:22:09 <merope> And yes, I'm including all banks who do this without providing better alternatives
16:22:31 <merope> Android has nothing to do with it
16:22:36 <eoc> i have an external wallet i generated tho, could just move my monero there i guess..
16:22:41 <merope> The app is just an app
16:22:57 <raecarruth> you can 2fa without android
16:23:11 <eoc> with linux?
16:23:14 <hyc> my bank issues all customers with a smartcard reader, you authenticate to the reader with your debit card PIN, and then it generates one time codes
16:23:19 <merope> TOTP authentication is a standard, the individual implementation doesn't matter (as long as it's properly done)
16:23:19 <raecarruth> eoc: si
16:23:29 <eoc> oh nice
16:23:32 <moneromooo> Ooooh, I thought you were just a jerk and said "i don't want to google stuff" :D I get it now...
16:23:33 <hyc> quite the hassle because I use it once every several months, and it invariably says the battery is low\
16:23:38 <raecarruth> https://stackpointer.io/unix/linux-totp-password-generator/629/
16:23:46 <raecarruth> also incorporated into pass, if you use pass
16:24:06 <merope> Wait, you're using a wallet which requires 2FA?
16:25:28 <merope> Oh nvm, you're leaving your coins on Kraken
16:25:45 <merope> Yeah, bad idea anyway. Move your xmr to an actual wallet
16:25:50 <eoc> merope: not sure if i should move them off of kraken or what ..
16:26:04 <merope> Withdrawal fees on kraken are extremely cheap for xmr anyway
16:26:18 <merope> Yes, you 100% should move them off Kraken
16:26:31 <merope> If you're wondering why, just look up Mt. Gox
16:26:44 <eoc> :]
16:26:48 <merope> Or one of the dozens of exchange hacks in the last 2-3 years
16:27:47 <merope> Yes, Kraken is/seems to be one of the most "trustworthy" exhanges - but the whole point of crypto is to be your own bank. No trust required, no middleman
16:30:16 <raecarruth> the most important part merope 
16:40:04 <louipc> dont forget to backup everything 
16:52:36 <eoc> 'oathtool -b --totp <key>' ?
16:52:57 <eoc> and backup the key?
16:55:21 <louipc> i use my phone for totp
16:55:48 <louipc> but yea backup the keys
17:11:00 <eoc> kraken doesnt accept the code tho, tried all the SHA option available
17:12:59 <merope> it's sha1 6 digits
17:13:08 <merope> with a 30 second timer
17:14:06 <eoc> hmm the default ..
17:15:32 <eoc> yeah i get 6 digits that change every 30 sec, but still dont accept it
17:16:32 <eoc> is timezone or something important?
17:19:54 <eoc> oh my pc clock is 26sec fast .. dunno if matter hah
17:23:48 <hyc> that's on the ragged edge of acceptability
17:24:05 <hyc> tho I think most TOTP implementations accept +/- 1 minute
17:29:42 <fluffypony> hyc: some of them, I've found a bunch that are pretty strict
17:29:43 <fluffypony> like within 2 seconds 
17:31:49 <louipc> eoc: might wanna make it more accurate
17:32:58 <louipc> thats the annoying thing tho. doesnt seem like hardware clocks can keep good time locally anymore
17:33:21 <louipc> gotta ping ntp server
17:40:42 <raecarruth> ohai fluffypony 
17:41:38 <fluffypony> louipc: I mean, why bother with a hyper accurate crystal onboard when you can create a set of corrections using NTP
17:42:32 <louipc> decentralization ;)
17:49:38 <eoc> hmm, set clock right, and still no luck ............
17:51:14 <eoc> setup key can change?
17:52:28 <eoc> but it i manage to set it up right it will stick?
17:55:18 <louipc> what are the setup options? algorithm, interval..
17:57:55 <eoc> i think i managed, i guess the setup key changes every 30 sec or soo too? so i was trying the same setup key over and over ..
17:58:03 <eoc> dunno if i dare logout/test :p
18:09:43 <louipc> 30 sec is a common default yea
18:10:13 <louipc> no setup key (secret) wouldnt change
18:38:20 <eoc> it worked ... new tech is scary
18:39:36 <eoc> kraker wants to use different 2fa for sign in/trade/funding ??
18:49:01 <louipc> its possible. more security :p
18:50:23 <eoc> more scary :p
18:50:29 <eoc> gotta reboot ..
18:50:41 <merope> Yes, it allows you to set up different codes for each function
18:51:10 <merope> Tbh you should just do one for sign-in and one to unlock the account settings
18:51:18 <merope> And maybe one for funding
19:02:52 <llp> Hello to all, I was wondering if anyone can assit me in troubleshooting a setup for P2Pool mining using my monero-wallet-cli
19:12:44 <nioc> llp: you can also try #p2pool-log
19:13:34 <llp> i have followed instructions on installing the monero-wallet-cli, xmrig, and P2Pool.  i downloaded the blockchain and opened the necessary ports in my firewall config
19:14:37 <llp> my issue is when i try to sync monerod daemon to my installed blockchain the daemon starts to download the blockchain all over again
19:15:19 <llp> nioc: thank you very much i will join that chat