07:13:01 <Steven_M> Is the matrix Monero not bridged with IRC anymore?
07:14:44 <apotheon> That's the case, yes.
07:15:06 <apotheon> I guess whoever's running the matrix Monero channel hasn't bothered reconnecting.
07:15:14 <apotheon> rebridging
07:15:33 * Steven_M nods
07:15:58 <Steven_M> which one is more active?
07:20:44 <narf> yes
07:30:05 <Steven_M> narf: what do you mean?
07:40:54 <narf> Steven_M: yes
07:57:39 <Steven_M> narf: As in they're both as active as each other?
09:48:02 <selsta> Steven_M: they are bridged in the other channels
09:48:08 <selsta> just this one is missing
09:49:38 <Steven_M> selsta: oh okay cool. :-)
09:50:05 <selsta> this channel has a lot of member so some extra permissions are required
09:50:08 <selsta> and it somehow never got done
09:50:51 <Steven_M> selsta: all good. :)
09:53:10 <Steven_M> selsta: Would you be able to build and ship me a razzberry pi Monero node? I'd pay you in XMR. I can't build it myself.
09:56:46 <selsta> hmm I don't have one myself so I'm not the person for that
09:57:59 <Steven_M> fair enough, hope you don't mind me asking. :-)
10:04:57 <Steven_M> I'm off to bed, goodnight. :)
14:16:15 <mtchannel> What settings do I need to change to switch to p2pool mini?
17:50:40 <moneromooo> If anyone here has had trouble with being unable to fork a repo on repo.getmonero.org, PM me your username there and I can fix it.
19:19:09 <great_taste> I wanna see XMR/BTC > BCH/BTC
21:10:38 <apotheon> great_taste: Why specifically that pairing?
21:11:07 <apotheon> great_taste: Is this just about pumping Monero value higher than its current value relative to BTC?
21:48:31 <yanmaani> XMR/BTC > BCH/BTC = XMR > BCH
21:48:48 <yanmaani> but also, price is stupid
22:19:40 <apotheon> yanmaani: That's clear to me.  What's not clear to me is whether great_taste just wants Monero price to go up or hates BCH more than BTC for some reason.
22:20:04 <apotheon> This formula could mean BCH drops, or XMR rises, or both, and I'm not sure what motives underly the general statement.
22:21:25 <great_taste> lol
22:21:50 <apotheon> s/underly/underlie/
22:21:53 <apotheon> dunno how that happened
22:21:55 <great_taste> it'd just be great to see xmr with a greater btc value than useless bch that nobody cares about
22:22:01 <great_taste> anyways, whatever \o/
22:22:27 <great_taste> why is price stupid?
22:34:00 <apotheon> Did someone say price is stupid?
22:34:14 <apotheon> On technical merits alone, I'd take BCH over BTC, though.
23:06:18 <Steven_M> great_taste: apotheon: I wish I had somewhere to spend my XMR.
23:06:42 <apotheon> What do you want to buy?
23:08:30 <Steven_M> My country doesn't have crypto gift card stores, unlike the US.
23:21:42 <louipc> apotheon: is it just the blocksize or something else?
23:26:38 <yanmaani> bch and btc and all other cryptocurrencies are equally stupid
23:26:45 <yanmaani> it all depends on what you can *do* with them
23:26:50 <yanmaani> why is Monero any better or worse than Wownero?
23:27:05 <yanmaani> why is Litecoin any better or worse than Bitcoin?
23:27:12 <yanmaani> you might say "it's the original", sure
23:27:32 <yanmaani> but that's just a branding issue. In the real world, there's no difference between a real and a fake watch.
23:28:16 <yanmaani> bitcoin is interesting because it's accepted in a lot of places
23:28:27 <yanmaani> which, orthogonally, means that the lightning network is totally useless
23:28:34 <yanmaani> because it's not "bitcoins" in any meaningful sense
23:30:19 <apotheon> Litecoin is a better currency intermediary because of high liquidity and reasonably high levels of acceptance.
23:31:22 <apotheon> BCH is a better actual currency than BTC, if you want something in the more traditional "Bitcoin" mold, because of its high liquidity, decent community, and technical direction.
23:32:21 <apotheon> Monero is a better actual currency outside of the mainstream economy because of its privacy characteristics, mining characteristics, and development context.
23:33:25 <apotheon> Wownero is quite interesting in a number of ways, and its development is always interesting, but part of what makes its dev interesting also makes it less well suited to use as a general currency due to the way its technical characteristics can make extremely sharp turns.
23:34:41 <yanmaani> Doesn't BCH literally have "weak subjectivity"
23:34:42 <apotheon> When talking about one currency being better than another, the implicit question should be "For what?", and any strict single-currency maximalist must simply be incompetent or unwilling to recognize that.
23:34:54 <yanmaani> it's like the worst aspects of PoS and the worst aspects of PoW
23:35:31 <yanmaani> My point here is that the "community" and "direction" doesn't really matter; the price moves as it does, sure, but this is not really interesting either
23:35:48 <apotheon> Maybe.  I don't know enough about that aspect.  It still functions better as an actual currency than BTC, though.
23:36:16 <yanmaani> btc works ... fine? on a good day, you can spend it, and there's a lot of BTC-only merchants
23:36:25 <yanmaani> not true for BCH
23:36:27 <apotheon> "My coffee cost eighty bucks this week."  That's a shit utility proposition for a currency.
23:36:40 <yanmaani> either they take only BTC, only XMR, BTC+XMR, or e v e r y t h i n g
23:37:42 <apotheon> I still wouldn't bother using BTC as an actual currency if I didn't have to.  If some coffee shop takes BTC and USD, I'd just use USD instead.
23:37:52 <apotheon> I might consider using BCH if the coffee shop took that, though.
23:38:13 <apotheon> Being a more widely accepted cryptocurrency is not the same as being a better currency.
23:38:34 <apotheon> It just means you can have a fucking *terrible* time with it in more places.
23:41:16 <apotheon> BTC has been a better place to park a large chunk of wealth for a while, and may continue to be that for a while as well, if all you want is to put USD in and later get much more purchasing power out -- though Ethereum has looked better overall for that lately.
23:44:14 <louipc> yanmaani:  why is the zimbabwe dollar any better than the us dollar?
23:44:21 <louipc> i mean...
23:44:24 <louipc> hehhehe
23:48:21 <apotheon> It's better for jokes about the US dollar than the US dollar itself.