02:30:46 Were Range Proofs a part of the initial CryptoNote spec and implemented in ByteCoin when Monero forked it? And are Range Proofs no longer used in Monero now that Bulletproofs have been implemented? 02:32:37 Also I read on some website that Monero was considering implementing zk-STARKs, would this replace RingCT or be used alongside it? 02:32:58 Range proofs were not originally used because amounts were not hidden, they used another method to obfuscate amounts 02:33:31 bulletproof are a type of rangeproof 02:34:17 They are an upgrade from the original type used in that they are much smaller 02:35:41 I don't know of any work being done on zk-starks for monero 02:36:33 Rangeproofs were introduced with ringCT 02:39:55 Hmm do you know what method to obfuscate amounts were used before Range Proofs? And when you say "obfuscate amounts" do you mean amounts of transcations or seeing amounts of coin contained by a given address when analyzing the blockchain? 02:40:51 So RingCT and Range Proofs go hand-in-hand when implemented? 02:44:45 Amounts were broken down into units, so 456.78 sent included 400+50+6+.7+.08 along with amounts left over as change which were also broken down into units 02:45:10 Yes to your second question 02:46:28 The units used needed to exist as outputs and some obviously were quite rare 02:48:13 *chosen from previous outputs that were used 07:35:53 Hello. 10:05:08 It looks like WOWnero got rid of pool mining: https://git.wownero.com/wownero/meta/issues/28 10:05:13 Why doesn't Monero do this as well? 10:09:36 It'd probably make it easier to attack by a third party, which is worse than easier to attack by a handful of fixed parties. 10:10:15 The degrees depend on pool miners' behaviour if they can't pool mine anymore. 10:10:33 If they switch to solo mining, it'd be great. If they stop mining, it's not. 10:11:04 The amount of lost hash rate will be somewhere in the middle, but probably closer to losing most. 10:11:55 Now, though, since we have p2pool, it might be a more... winsome change, since p2pool gives low hash rate miners another possibility... 10:12:18 Which, if easy enough to switch to, might mean not so much hash rate gets shed. 10:12:40 It'd require p2pool to be as easy to run as a typical pool miner though. 10:14:19 Why do you think people would stop mining if pools were prohibited? 10:14:39 And how does pure-solo mining make it easier to attack by a third party? 10:16:37 Because, modulo p2pool, variance would shoot through the roof, and see my third line, resp. 10:46:28 moneromooo: Sorry I asked 2 questions, which were you replying to? What does "modulo" refer to? And your third line seems to be: "If they switch to solo mining, it'd be great. If they stop mining, it's not." which doesn't answer either of my 2 questions. 10:48:42 I replied to both. resp means respectively. modulo means "disregarding". That third line answers "And how does pure-solo mining make it easier to attack by a third party?". 10:49:26 So, "Why do you think people would stop mining if pools were prohibited?" -> because variance 10:50:05 And: "And how does pure-solo mining make it easier to attack by a third party?" -> because most pool miners would just stop mining instead of solo mining 11:04:36 moneromooo: Sorry I do not know what "variance" means in terms of PoW mining 11:05:58 A measure of the typical deviation of a statistical distribution (here, timing of finding some monero). 11:06:08 deviation from its mean. 11:07:00 Basically, the more irregular the incoming monero (so, the higher the variance), the more miners tend to not like it. 11:07:26 And, with the law of small numbers, you get increased variance as your hash rate is small compared to the network hash rate. 11:07:29 Hmm is this because it is rare to solve a block when there are many small solo miners?> 11:07:53 It is hard to solve a block when your hash rate is small compared to the network hash rate. 11:58:15 alMalsamo Wownero disabled pool mining, but their solution also makes p2pool impossible 12:23:22 sech1: So it is possible to disable pool mining but still somehow allow p2pool? 15:54:43 how do I see exact amount sent to a subaddress? 15:57:28 Did you try: help balance ? 16:02:28 yes 16:02:57 it show balance of currently selected account 16:03:12 it does not give me an option to put the subaddress balance 16:09:19 well balance detail 16:09:22 solved the problem 16:14:45 Anyone here using the monerod.org pool? What are folks sentiment about using that pool? 16:16:17 AIUI they charge zero fees by claiming the fee that would go to the xmrig devs for themselves 16:16:26 That whole website/platform looks sketchy af to me 16:16:30 I'd stay the hell away from it 16:17:10 ofc they don't mention that themselves 17:29:28 Any recommended pools? 17:30:21 P2Pool 17:30:49 maybe XMRFast if you don't want P2Pool 17:31:06 Any that's not one of the two or three larger ones, and which is not minergate or dwarfpool, and where you aren't the only one (unless you don't mind variance). 22:40:38 I can't see a good reason to recommend anything besides p2pool. 0% pool fees, how can you beat that? 22:41:00 moneroocean is still a good option if you're using GPUs 22:41:05 although that's not -really- mining Monero 22:41:49 ++ hyc 22:42:09 hyc, in #pools we are recomending p2pool 22:42:14 recommending too 22:42:15 like a sore peter, can't beat it