01:23:49 <apotheon> Now that Bandcamp got bought and will likely be ruined, there's an window of opportunity for a Monero-enabled Bandcamp replacement opening up.
05:08:32 <ocb> jjakob: if xmr-btc-swap makers are not empty, then that is the better choice. otherwise localmonero.
09:09:48 <scara> Ok so I'm restoreing my wallet right now, is there a way to delete the private key so I can just see the public address of my account for mineing?
09:17:34 <louipc> never delete the private key or you'll lose all your money
09:20:35 <ocb> scara: you maybe want to use a view key?
09:20:38 <badjabber> scara you want to create a view only wallet
09:21:11 <badjabber> you need private viewkey plus address of your wallet to do this
09:31:19 <scara> badjabber: I have the wallet and wallet.key can I run a command to replace the private key with a view key?
09:32:36 <badjabber> you gotta open the wallet normally.  In monero-wallet-cli you would then use the viewkey command
09:32:42 <badjabber> to get the private viewkey
09:33:31 <badjabber> then you can run monero-wallet-cli --generate-from-view-key to create a view only wallet
09:33:44 <badjabber> it will only show incoming amounts
09:36:24 <scara> "private viewkey"? Whats so private about it?
09:40:49 <ocb> you don't share it, otherwise somebody can see transaction information for specific address. but is not able to spend it. that's why it's a view key. there's also a spend key.
16:19:53 <jjakob> is it possible to use a hardware wallet (trezor) with different software and use the utxo's on it?
16:21:05 <jjakob> I know it supports HWI, so can I receive xmr on it with monero-gui, then send it with wasabi?
16:22:12 <merope> Wasabi does not support xmr, afaik
16:22:20 <jjakob> also simultaneously store btc and xmr on it? (it can support multiple wallets with passwords?)
16:22:23 <merope> You can't send xmr to a btc wallet
16:22:39 <jjakob> trezor supports xmr
16:23:16 <merope> Trezor does, but wasabi doesn't 
16:23:29 <merope> Your wallet does not "contain" the actual coins
16:23:54 <merope> It only contains the private keys required to sign transactions from the corresponding addresses
16:24:05 <merope> But the coins are on the blockchain 
16:24:34 <merope> Different blockchains don't interact directly with eachother
16:25:05 <jjakob> yeah I get that
16:26:22 <WinslowEric[m]> Not exactly, Polkadot provided a bridge. But obviously btc and xmr has nothing to do with it.
16:26:28 <merope> You can connect the same trezor device to multiple software wallets for multiple coins, but if wasabi does not support xmr, then you will not be able to use your xmr from that
16:26:54 <merope> Even those bridges are not a direct interaction
16:27:27 <WinslowEric[m]> Oh yeah
16:30:40 <jjakob> understood, I was mistaken in my assumption that wasabi would support xmr, but that's not a problem then, I can use the official monero wallet
16:31:24 <jjakob> isn't the hw wallet also in charge of generating and storing addresses?
16:32:16 <merope> Depends on the specific brand/model
16:32:51 <merope> Iirc there's one that only holds the keys and does the tx signing, because it has very little memory and computing power
16:33:35 <jjakob> I have the trezor T, the more powerful one
16:33:44 <merope> And all the wallet data and metadata is stored in the software wallet instead
16:34:02 <merope> While some others that are also able to store the wallet data on the device itself
16:34:38 <merope> In which case, I would expect them to also store the index of subaddresses generated
20:13:59 <mojo24> hello
20:15:01 <mojo24> with h/s of 30000 is better to use p2pool or only xmrig
20:15:30 <merope> P2pool is a decentralized pool software
20:15:33 <mojo24> i used for some days but i earned around 1euro daily!
20:15:36 <merope> Xmrig is the actual miner
20:16:03 <merope> I assume you were mining on some other pool?
20:16:10 <mojo24> no solo
20:16:38 <merope> Solo mining does not work like that
20:17:06 <mojo24> xmrig on my servers
20:17:11 <mojo24> no pool
20:17:19 <merope> When solo mining, you either find a block and get the whole reward (0.6-0.7 xmr right now) or you get nothing
20:17:47 <mojo24> how much time i'll need with 3000 h/s
20:17:55 <merope> But finding a block takes a long time by yourself
20:17:56 <mojo24> 3months
20:18:01 <merope> Many years
20:18:01 <mojo24> more
20:18:07 <mojo24> years?
20:18:39 <mojo24> i found one after 2.5months1
20:18:51 <moneromooo> Your average time to find a block is about 2 minutes times 3e9 divded by 30e3.
20:19:17 <merope> With 3000 H/s, it would take you 3 years and 5 months to find one block, on average
20:19:17 <merope> (Right now)
20:19:26 <mojo24> 30000
20:19:30 <mojo24> not 3000
20:19:50 <merope> Ooooh, that sounds more likely
20:20:04 <merope> 4 months on average, so you were a little lucky
20:20:08 <mojo24> i found after 2.5 months
20:20:49 <mojo24> i have 2 servers of 15000 h/s each
20:20:57 <mojo24> is better to make my pool
20:21:16 <moneromooo> For two machines, probably not.
20:21:33 <mojo24> p2pool is paying almost nothing!
20:21:37 <moneromooo> Unless they can't share the same chain and you want to save 40 GB I guess.
20:22:00 <moneromooo> Long term, you'll get about the same from p2pool, centraliezd pool or solo mining,
20:22:10 <merope> Your average income stays the same
20:22:23 <merope> P2pool pays less, but more often
20:22:23 <moneromooo> In fact, p2pool/solo will get you a tiny bit more, due to no middleman fee.
20:22:31 <merope> You get the same amount
20:26:31 <mojo24> the issue is not hd but if i'll earn more when p2pool server are linked in one
20:26:39 <mojo24> smth like xmrig proxy
20:27:08 <moneromooo> Adding a pool in the middle will not increase your finds.
20:28:16 <moneromooo> "finds" here being defined as "monero balance increase".
20:28:21 <mojo24> yep!
20:29:05 <merope> You can't earn more, ever
20:29:13 <merope> It all depends on your hashrate 
20:30:11 <mojo24> if i use both servers to link to one p2pool is better or is the same on having each p2pool on specific server
20:32:10 <merope> Same thing, but there's no point to run multiple p2pool
20:32:23 <merope> Just run one and connect both miners to it
20:33:05 <mojo24> i dont have very good internet maybe this will affect p2pool server
20:34:44 <merope> "Not very good" how?
20:34:57 <merope> Slow? High ping? Unstable connection?
20:35:06 <mojo24> slow
20:35:26 <mojo24> how to meter?
20:35:30 <merope> What's your speed?
20:35:34 <merope> P2pool doesn't need a lot
20:35:46 <merope> There are many speedtest websites
20:36:14 <mojo24> from command line how to do that
20:36:17 <merope> Or just try downloading a large file with wget on the server
20:36:30 <mojo24> yes
20:37:50 <mojo24> the speed to 127.0.0.1 is for sure better than some external ip
20:42:20 <mojo24> solo and p2pool will be the same after 1month right?
20:44:01 <moneromooo> In the same way as you'll have the same number of sixes on two dice after you throw each of then 10 times.
20:44:29 <moneromooo> It only converges to the same point at "infinity".
20:45:02 <mojo24> ok i go p2pool
20:45:06 <moneromooo> On short timescales, one or the other will most likely get ahead, they'll probably cross each other, etc. Random walk.
20:45:40 <mojo24> and i have lost round 1month going from solo to p2pool
20:45:58 <moneromooo> p2pool will likely start ahead of solo. Then solo will possibly get ahead, due to longer expected times and larger reward.
20:46:16 <moneromooo> Long long long term, they'll get closer and closer.
20:46:36 <mojo24> what is long long term
20:46:39 <mojo24> 1 year
20:46:45 <mojo24> 6months
20:47:03 <moneromooo> Maybe... 50 years ?
20:47:23 <moneromooo> Maybe 2000 years.
20:47:44 <mojo24> oh this is not good
20:47:53 <moneromooo> Random stuff has a nasty habit of sometimes staying away from its expected value for a while :)
20:48:14 <apotheon> At this point, I see little point in using a pool other than P2Pool, except in the case of "I was on this other pool before P2Pool was a thing, and I'm too lazy to switch."
20:48:17 <moneromooo> 1 year maybe. Depends how yo measure it really.
20:48:54 <apotheon> Some centralized pools actually shut down when P2Pool became a thing, and some that are still running recommend using P2Pool instead.
20:48:58 <moneromooo> Well, not really "how yo umeasure it", more about how much variation from expected you're ok with and how lucky you get.
20:49:31 <mojo24> i was  lucky to get 0.7 after 2.5 months
20:50:12 <mojo24> solo no p2pool.....
20:50:24 <apotheon> If you aren't running *very serious* hardware, for the standards of the particular cryptocurrency you're mining, I'd generally say to go with a pool.
20:50:53 <mojo24> im running bad hardware
20:50:58 <mojo24> opteron 6380
20:51:03 <mojo24> too much watt
20:51:28 <mojo24>  dont know if worth
20:51:34 <apotheon> Oh, you mean bad efficiency.  Yeah.
20:51:35 <moneromooo> 15k per machine is not bad at all.
20:51:58 <moneromooo> I think it's in fact pretty damn good.
20:51:58 <mojo24> 4 cpu
20:52:10 <moneromooo> Ah. Hmm.
20:52:34 <mojo24> and not all cores are working
20:52:37 <mojo24> 56 of 64
20:52:53 <mojo24> dont know how to disable ht assist
20:53:07 <apotheon> If it's profitable overall given local electricity utility prices, it could still be worth it.
20:53:42 <mojo24> it is but not very much for h/s that give
20:54:06 <mojo24> 30 euro monthly!!
20:54:12 <apotheon> woohoo
20:54:14 <mojo24> 1euro daily!
20:54:19 <mojo24> is nothing
20:54:20 <apotheon> That's not bad.
20:54:29 <apotheon> Well . . . it's not going to pay the rent.
20:54:30 <mojo24> 15000
20:54:48 <apotheon> Mining isn't the most profitable pursuit in the world if you don't go nuts with it, though.
20:54:49 <merope> Check cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/xmr
20:54:52 <mojo24> hardware cost 500
20:54:53 <apotheon> Here's the thing:
20:55:07 <mojo24> 512gb ram!
20:55:08 <merope> If you know your power usage and electricity cost, you can see how profitable you are
20:55:32 <mojo24> it is but not more that 30euro monthly!
20:55:58 <apotheon> If you do your mining in a way that can't be traced back to you, that's awesome, with Monero.  You have "clean", better-than-free exchange of fiat currency for Monero.  It's basically a very, very friendly, private currency exchange.
20:56:36 <apotheon> Instead of an atomic swap or localmonero, you use the home utility provider, and you even get tips for doing it.
20:56:46 <mojo24> hardware cost 500 so even in one year i wont pay hardware
20:56:55 <apotheon> In addition, you help secure the network, which means you help the currency gain value over time (theoretically).
20:57:07 <apotheon> Yeah, well, there's the hardware cost, of course.
20:57:35 <apotheon> Your reference to not all cores working suggested to me you might have been using hardware that was just sitting around gathering dust.
20:57:59 <mojo24> no is smth more specific
20:59:14 <mojo24> https://github.com/xmrig/xmrig/issues/1349
21:01:23 <apotheon> Oh, I see.