00:11:32 <merope> Yes, localmonero.co is a popular platform
00:12:25 <Mochi101> DrNick2, Localmonero is good. Make sure you use a reputable seller.
00:14:14 <DrNick2> Sweet!
00:21:32 <Mochi101> .cz btc usdt
01:26:16 <DrNick2> Woo! I got a tiny amount of XMR from the Faucet. Alas it looks like the daemon is down and it can't send any XMR.
01:26:37 <DrNick2> Also the amount is way less than the min amount it will send. I guess that's not a huge suprise. :-D 
01:27:24 <apotheon> DrNick2: What faucet do you mean?
01:27:43 <DrNick2> The one in #tippero
01:27:46 <DrNick2> (Wallet)
01:27:53 <apotheon> ah
01:28:16 <apotheon> I see that now.
01:47:42 <DrNick2> I'm trying to trade with someone listed as "Seen just now" 2 hours ago and they've not responded. Hope that's not a red flag. :-)
01:53:37 <DrNick2> Hopefully no one has collected on this reward: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2020/09/14/irs-will-pay-up-to-625000-if-you-can-crack-monero-other-privacy-coins
01:56:47 <nioc> DrNick2: just seen now means that they are logged on not necessarily that they are actively monitoring 
01:57:27 <DrNick2> nioc: Ahhh, cool. Sounds like I just need to be more patient.
02:12:26 <louipc> DrNick2: its some bug with the API supposedly. you should be able to withdraw once you collected enough
02:16:28 <littlebo1eep> Anyone here use Kovri?
02:19:34 <littlebo1eep> Ahhhh is the website down or what https://getkovri.org/index.html
02:21:13 <littlebo1eep> Does not seem updated in a while: https://gitlab.com/kovri-project/kovri
02:22:52 <littlebo1eep> kovri.io redirects to some GoDaddy bullshit
02:28:35 <littlebo1eep> /r/kovri also seems dead
02:31:08 <littlebo1eep> no one in #kovri or #kovri-dev
02:44:46 <nioc> kovri development stopped years ago
02:45:00 <nioc> nothing was ever released 
03:35:00 <apotheon> Yeah, it's a pretty dead project.
11:53:29 <lousiF> 09:27  moneromooo: The better stopgap is what it always has been. Don't insert your wallet into some random unknown's open port.
11:53:29 <lousiF> 09:28  moneromooo: It's a stopgap, a solution, and the right way to do things.
11:53:29 <lousiF> 09:29  moneromooo: Start equating this with safe sex and people will start getting the idea.
11:53:29 <lousiF> 09:29  moneromooo: (maybe)
11:53:47 <lousiF> just saw that lol
11:55:11 <lousiF> 1-65535 are technically 'orifices'..
13:02:08 <emagex> I'm making this meme and need to choose three adjectives that describes monero, which one? suggestions: private, fungible, decentralised, fair, secure, scarce, open source, untraceable, sound money.
13:03:05 <emagex> http://0x0.st/ocgt.png
13:04:12 <klaxa> this isn't a meme, this is begging :^)
13:05:30 <emagex> a begging meme :)
13:14:05 <louipc> not a meme
13:14:42 <louipc> nice gfx tho
13:27:23 <lousiF> https://decrypt.co/98023/monero-faithful-threaten-bank-run-on-centralized-exchanges
13:45:59 <emagex> ok, let me rephrase, I'm utilizing a meme for the qr code, anyway, what I'm stuck on is what adjectives to use!
13:46:12 <emagex> can't use them all 😅
13:50:51 <louipc> just nestle that in a comfy bed of adjectives
14:00:09 <klaxa> also, nobody tell him that technically because of tail emission monero also has infinite supply, but shh
14:01:46 <mikoto-chan> question
14:02:09 <mikoto-chan> is a LUKS encrypted USB stick without header enough for a cold storage?
14:02:42 <mikoto-chan> as long as the keyfile is encrypted and it's on a USB stick and I don't have my seed or wallet that should be pretty secure right?
14:03:22 <klaxa> if that's the only copy and you lose it you will hate yourself so maybe have another usb with the same data
14:03:36 <klaxa> and regularly check they still work :P
14:03:41 <mikoto-chan> thanks :P
14:04:27 <klaxa> i have no cold storage though i just keep my seeds in my password manager and trust that it's encrypted in there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
14:04:43 <klaxa> or rather i trust the pm's encryption
14:04:54 <klaxa> but this way i can't accidentally lose my keys
14:05:10 <klaxa> and nobody should get into my password manager in the first place
14:32:27 <emagex> klaxa: hmm... maybe I should change it to 'printable' ;)
14:33:04 <klaxa> just put "brrrrrrt"
14:39:05 <emagex> http://0x0.st/ocEZ.png
17:44:28 <DrNick2> I suspect you're more likely to lose your keys vs have them stolen
17:52:04 <Mochi101> depends
17:58:54 <DrNick2> Having your keys stored unencrypted where you keep your important papers feels like a good approch.
17:59:08 <DrNick2> Unless your talking about huge amounts. Not sure what I'd do in that case. :-) 
17:59:39 <klaxa> unencrypted sounds bad, at least password protect it
18:00:40 <DrNick2> You've got to think about your threat model. What are you protecting against in that case?
18:00:54 <DrNick2> Someone breaking into your house and stealing the paper?
18:01:18 <DrNick2> Then they need to recognise the importance of the info and use it.
18:01:49 <DrNick2> Vs forgetting the password after hitting your head (or just with the passage of time).
18:02:36 <DrNick2> If the risk of physical theft is high in your case, absolutely encrypt it.
18:06:48 <klaxa> good point
18:15:20 <Mochi101> What about a vengeful wife who wants to leave you?
18:16:02 <moneromooo> Or a wily squirrel who wants to eat your paper seed backup ?
18:16:08 <hashem> don't marry, no vengeful wife
18:16:11 <hashem> or marry a dude
18:16:17 <hashem> still no vengeful wife
18:16:33 <moneromooo> Or feed squirrels till they're really really full.
18:17:41 <hashem> say what now?
18:27:03 <Mochi101> what
18:28:52 <nioc> yes, treat your squirrels well 
18:29:48 <tasty> squirrels are always a threat
18:30:11 <hashem> in the tropics i have no squirrels
18:30:13 <hashem> just bats
18:30:16 <hashem> rats
18:30:17 <hashem> and mosquitoes
18:30:25 <hashem> am i to treat them well also? o_0
18:30:35 <hashem> and lizards
18:32:24 <nioc> don't know about mosquitos :D
19:05:47 <querens> Hello everybody. I've encountered the next warning "Transaction spends more than one very old output. Privacy would be better if they were sent separately." As far as I understood it's a simple warning and I can go simply with "yes" option. But I'm troubled that I don't completely understand what's it about and how to deal with it in "proper" way and not having such warnings
19:22:11 <moneromooo> The fake output selection algorithm is heavily biased towards recent outs.
19:22:48 <moneromooo> So if you have several old outs in your rings, they are more likely to be the real spends, since it is less likely they'd be randomly selected.
19:35:43 <querens> moneromooo: ty. So what can I do in order to calm this algoritm down? Make a transaction to myself for example?
19:37:54 <moneromooo> The most private way is probably to spend one of these old outs to yourself then wait some random amount of time.
19:38:04 <moneromooo> Well, N-1 of them if you have N.
19:39:05 <moneromooo> Or just ignore. It can happen by random chance too.
19:46:25 <querens> moneromooo: many thanks
19:49:27 <Mochi101> Some old outputs are expensive to spend. :(
19:50:11 <moneromooo> Do you really mean that, or do you mean they're not worth shit ? :)
19:50:36 <Mochi101> I mean it.
19:50:52 <Mochi101> Pre Bulletproof outputs.
19:51:12 <moneromooo> Oh. Hrm. I'm surprised, I expected old outs to make smaller txes per input.
19:51:17 <moneromooo> Pre-rct you mean ?
19:51:23 <Mochi101> ah... yes
19:51:39 <Mochi101> Outputs that are like 4-5 years old.
19:51:55 <Mochi101> Is my gray showing?
19:52:01 <moneromooo> If they're pre ringct and mixable, they're used in the exact same way as rct outs, so same cost.
19:52:18 <Mochi101> hmmm
19:52:29 <moneromooo> If they're pre ringct and unmixable, they're spent in a v1 tx, with ring size 1, and that's got to be a lot smaller than a rct tx.
19:52:39 <moneromooo> I think you're mistaken.
19:52:48 <moneromooo> Unless there's a case I'm forgetting...
19:53:27 <moneromooo> Could it be they *feel* expensive because it is when spending lots of outs that aren't worth shit ?
19:53:58 <Mochi101> could be so
19:54:04 <Mochi101> :D
19:55:20 <Mochi101> yeah... it may be that
19:56:03 <Mochi101> Just checking one of my wallets... oldest output is at about block 2.5m
19:56:07 <Mochi101> so not really old.
19:56:33 <moneromooo> Dude.
19:56:37 <moneromooo> I just realized...
19:56:53 <moneromooo> We could get some people get in here to chat, and they'd be born after monero started...
19:56:56 <moneromooo> Wild.
19:57:15 <Mochi101> This other wallet has outputs from 1.8m
19:57:28 <Mochi101> lol... yeah... that'd be wild
19:58:20 <moneromooo> "Did you know, before you were born, people were using a non private cryptocurrency called bitcoin"
19:58:38 <moneromooo> "lol, what is privacy ?"
19:58:45 <moneromooo> I think the chat would go that way.
19:58:49 <moneromooo> Life sucks.
19:59:12 <Mochi101> Young people have no expectations of privacy.
19:59:53 <moneromooo> And their children will have none of freedom. Their grandchildren of life. They won't have grand grand children.
20:00:00 * moneromooo feeling down rn
20:00:45 <querens> Do you think that all the liberties will eventually shrinks to 0?
20:02:17 <nioc> Happy Birthday montero 
20:02:19 <moneromooo> Historically, they do go down till a revolution (usually helped by hunger), then they drop to 0 at once, shit gets really bad for a generation, then it gets better than it used to be if yo're lucky.
20:03:24 <moneromooo> It's not always down though, there's a random walk. But typically the average is slowly down.
20:04:49 <moneromooo> And as long as people are fed, they can go a long while before revolting agianst the increasing erosion of freedom.
20:05:17 <Mochi101> yeap
20:05:21 <moneromooo> In a way, if your problem is privacy rather than hunger, you're in the lucky part of hte world.
20:05:36 <Mochi101> ++
20:05:46 <querens> all the successful revolutions I know have happened thanks to the elites
20:05:59 <moneromooo> What is "elites" ?
20:06:47 <querens> those who have the means of power
20:06:53 <raecarruth> folk like you moneromooo :)
20:07:12 <moneromooo> So, the people who led a succesful revolution ended up in power ? That sounds circuitous.
20:07:33 <moneromooo> Because you can't mean that the people who were in power led a succesful revolution against themselves :)
20:07:43 <moneromooo> (or do you ?)
20:08:11 <moneromooo> s/circuitous/circular/
20:09:05 <querens> There are a lot of groups of power. Usually some of them trying to gain all the control overthrowing other groups
20:09:25 <moneromooo> Ah, I see what you mean.
20:10:00 <moneromooo> The French revolution, I think, was from the hungry people I believe.
20:10:39 <moneromooo> The Romanian revolution wasn't from elites either I think.
20:11:05 <moneromooo> But that doesn't prove you wrong of course, since those are just two points.
20:11:26 <querens> Nah, I don't thinks so at all. Some "progressive" aristocrats are always behind the scenes. 
20:11:47 <querens> From time to time they dig their own graves though
20:12:44 <moneromooo> OK, re-reading, you said "thanks to the elites", which is less strong that what I originally interpreted it as, so OK, I'm ready to believe you here.
20:13:05 <moneromooo> I originally got that as "organized by", which wasn't a fair interpretation.
20:13:28 <querens> this is quite fair interpretation
20:37:13 <Mochi101> What about the Monerevolution?
21:06:05 <DrNick2> Ha! You guys should checkout the Revolutions podcast. Right up your alley. :-)