03:49:41 <DrNick2> "Transaction extra has unsupported format: <xxx>" Does anyone know what client is adding these? I wonder if there is anything intresting in there?
08:32:44 <tom[m]1234> Hello . I would appreciate your help and advice! I am looking for an article or video where I can learn how to get a wallet and put 10 euros in it. I do not consider transfers or other coins. Conditionally, I now have 10 euros and I want them to turn out to be monero in the shortest possible time. Thanks.
08:39:51 <moneromooo> That's an interesting question. I think Cake wallet simplifies fiat conversion but I don't have a link to an article/video about it.
08:42:00 <MajesticBank> localmonero -> feather wallet
08:43:54 <MajesticBank> when you install feather wallet, send me an address I will send you 10$ in xmr
08:45:22 <tom[m]1234> Thank you for your replies! I think this is the main question and the very first of any person who wants to use nonero )) I have 10 euros I want to convert them to mobero. How can I do it ? Do not use conversion and do not use other coins ( bitcoin etc)
08:46:28 <MajesticBank> check haveno exchange
08:46:38 <tom[m]1234> Because when they start telling you about an exchange or other schemes, it confuses a person. It should be simple even in one or two steps! This is my point of view, maybe I'm wrong))
08:47:12 <MajesticBank> It's the same thing as with other crypto
08:47:46 <moneromooo> You're not wrong, but dealing with fiat is hard because lots of regulations and spying and red tape involved, so very few will do it.
08:53:11 <tom[m]1234> I like the philosophy of xmr . I don't mean dirty schemes. The idea itself looks great to me! So what do you recommend for me to start my difficult path))
08:53:38 <tom[m]1234> haveno exchange?
09:09:09 <MajesticBank> it's work in progress
09:09:31 <MajesticBank> p2p dex monero trading
09:48:39 <Guest95> hi team, can check with you all we have some syncing issue with monero wallet
09:48:58 <Guest95> require to sync 300+k blocks but is not running
09:49:08 <Guest95> can check is there a more efficient way?
10:12:46 <Guest95> luigi1112
10:15:52 <moneromooo> Can you express more clearly what you're asking ?
10:16:15 <moneromooo> Is it "I have problems syncing ny wallet, please help" ?
10:17:22 <Guest95> moneromooo yes currently we having issue syncing the wallet , basically it shows "Waiting for darmon to sync","Daemon blocks reamianing: 392243"
10:17:26 <Guest95> remaining*
10:17:56 <moneromooo> Is that number going down with time ?
10:18:03 <Guest95> seems like it stuck
10:18:15 <Guest95> any suggestion?
10:18:37 <moneromooo> OK, then restart monerod with --log-level 1, then wait a bit for it to either start syncing again or log some errors.
10:18:54 <Guest95> okay noted thanks
10:18:54 <moneromooo> If the latter, paste the errors and a couple dozen lines before the error to paste.debian.net.
10:19:19 <Guest95> let us try
10:19:24 <Guest95> thanks will get back in awhile
10:25:34 <moneromooo> (you don't have to be running the wallet for this btw, just monerod)
10:44:31 <Guest95> is slowly updating moneromooo thanks
11:17:46 <copypaste> sech1: we can also chat here if it's more convenient for you 
11:17:56 <copypaste> (or in PM, in re vanity address thing)
11:18:39 <copypaste> by the way, could very well be i just don't know the addressing format as well as you do :) (cf. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5394915.msg59896701#msg59896701)
13:02:10 <rbrunner> I got curious about that seeming error in address generation by sech1 's new vanity address generator
13:03:33 <rbrunner> I also checked with https://xmr.llcoins.net/addresstests.html
13:04:23 <rbrunner> If I put the bits in question - 651507438fb1691ec1c617ea1773ad93b0036fd79295ee8173c98f4c6de72e0c - into input box "2. Hexadecimal Seed" and click forward
13:04:43 <rbrunner> everything seems to play out and generate the same address as the generator spits out
13:05:31 <rbrunner> If I put the bits into "3. Private Spend Key" strange things happen
13:06:15 <rbrunner> Then the only way to get something into "4. Private View Key" seems to push the "Gen 4. (Audit Addr)" button
13:06:59 <rbrunner> and I have really no idea what *that* button should do: How can you go from a spend public key to a view private key in any sensible way?
13:07:46 <sech1> It should be easy to fix. I'll check this
13:08:10 <rbrunner> (This refers to the things detailed here by copypaste this morning here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5394915.msg59896701#msg59896701
13:08:39 <sech1> monero-wallet-cli says "46SPEAKZWk9PtTM2Ziitmh5msxYDowPbNPKxid2wwUVBgghMzxPJMTBTZr8S6ngick7tmNUapWRsSd8ouAJdsPKU17gHfr9"
13:09:03 <rbrunner> No, after playing around, I think your address derivation is correct, but Luigi's page does something strange, wrong, or unexpected
13:10:18 <rbrunner> How did you get the CLI wallet to give you the address? You can't use only the spend private key there, can you?
13:10:22 <rbrunner> To restore
13:12:28 <sech1> just restore it from the spend key, it prints out the address after it asks you for the seed language
13:12:35 <sech1> or you can type "address" command in CLI wallet
13:12:43 <rbrunner> My own monerotech.info website badly needs a way to input spend private key and derive the rest, instead of always starting with the seed
13:12:55 <rbrunner> What's the command / option you use for restore?
13:13:21 <sech1> ./monero-wallet-cli --offline --generate-from-spend-key wallet_name
13:14:13 <sech1> don't paste spend key in the command line - the last token there is wallet file name, not spend key
13:14:22 <rbrunner> Ah, ok, my bad, I simply overlooked that possibility so far. Was convinced you can't restore from spend private key alone.
13:14:38 <sech1> private view key is derived from the spend key by default
13:14:42 <sech1> so spend key is all you need
13:14:48 <sech1> 25-word seed just encodes the spend key
13:15:17 <rbrunner> I was thinking the CLI wallet misses functionality
13:16:33 <rbrunner> I was always only looking among the "--restore..." options and completely missed the "--generate-from" family of options
13:17:10 <gingeropolous> i love the new alias
13:17:32 <sech1> CLI wallet doesn't miss functionality, it's literally a swiss knife for Monero
13:17:50 <rbrunner> "25-word seed just encodes the spend key" I know :) I built https://monerotech.info/Home/Seed
13:20:44 <rbrunner> Still wondering what that " "Gen 4. (Audit Addr)" button on Luigi's addresstests page could sensibly do. No idea, really.
14:33:43 <garth> What are the major consensus changes with this new hardfork?
14:34:06 <moneromooo> View tags, fees, bulletptroofs+.
14:34:26 <moneromooo> Ring size.
14:42:10 <copypaste> sech1: what do you think of outputting the view key as well?
14:42:32 <copypaste> the only reason this is a problem is because mymonero (stupidly imo) requires it, and it choked on the llcoins.net page
14:43:03 <copypaste> so i just clicked around until it satisfied mymonero, it's very odd
14:43:33 <copypaste> if you say your key is right that i can import llcoins keys into MM. but maybe MM and llcoins share a bug, i don't know 
14:45:12 <copypaste> oh and of course i agree in principle that monerod is the reference implementation so what it says goes, i just really wonder what's wrong with MM as it's more popular
14:45:24 <endogenic> copypaste: what are you experiencing?
14:45:28 <copypaste> and why it requires viewkeys…people will try to derive them to use with MM and result in trrouble
14:45:46 <endogenic> i read the scrollback but couldnt figure out what you're seeing
14:46:13 <copypaste> endogenic: no problem :) basically addresses generated with the new CUDA vanity address generator aren't importable into mymonero
14:46:46 <copypaste> because they have no viewkey. so i tried to make a viewkey, and that resulted in me realizing llcoins.net page, which derives viewkeys, results in a different address than the new CUDA address generato
14:47:23 <copypaste> so it means, either the new generator is wrong, or llcoins.net & mymonero are wrong together
14:47:33 <endogenic> you cant get a viewkey from an addr. you need the seed or spend key first
14:47:40 <copypaste> yes, i mean that
14:48:09 <copypaste> the new generator gives you the public address and the spendkey but no viewkey
14:48:24 <copypaste> mymonero requires the viewkey
14:48:26 <endogenic> different addr than the cuda generator huh
14:48:30 <copypaste> yes
14:48:36 <copypaste> but weirdly still with the desirable prefix
14:48:52 <copypaste> sech1 wrote "The second half of Monero address is a public view key" and that's all that's wrong
14:49:07 <endogenic> makes me wonder if someone is missing a scalar reduce or something somewhere
14:49:29 <copypaste> maybe mymonero/llcoins.net is wrongly deriving viewkeys, or the vanitygen is. 
14:49:52 <copypaste> the new vanitygen is very cool btw, no big complaints from me hehe
14:49:56 <copypaste> it still works if you know this problem
14:50:48 <endogenic> you're talking about SChernykh's generator right?
14:50:57 <endogenic> i have to look at how it is written
14:51:13 <copypaste> f83224befaf2113d866386d3051624dc8e979798bc43d5385e0ab4fb45d70c0f 42fUcKyEAHMaqdzjHbamsxDsGfT4GE2aj7tFdgM1vgbY52nRKXQAkx9WdHPQQwrp6gKy8xN4HRtTtRGrNce72ocPH3TRmRK
14:51:16 <endogenic> it's very unlikely mymonero has a but there btw
14:51:17 <endogenic> bug
14:51:24 <copypaste> there's one of the new addresses
14:51:35 <copypaste> you can see if you try to convert the spendkey
14:51:39 <copypaste> you'll get a diff address
14:51:48 <copypaste> but still beginning with 42fUcKyEAH…
14:51:53 <endogenic> lol^
14:51:56 <copypaste> lol
14:51:58 <endogenic> see my Q above pls
14:52:19 <copypaste> oh yes. i'm the one that paid for it
14:52:27 <copypaste> kopipe is japanese for copypaste
14:53:03 <endogenic> link?
14:53:20 <copypaste> well, i haven't paid for it yet because i haven't caught sech1 online to discuss if he wants me to make a new address and publish its viewkey when i pay him so there's public proof i did
14:53:28 <copypaste> or if he wants to do that
14:53:44 <copypaste> since i think monero viewkeys area only good for incoming not outgoing?
14:53:53 <endogenic> both
14:54:00 <copypaste> oh ok so either of us can
14:54:14 <endogenic> so... do you have a link to the generator i can look at?
14:54:23 <copypaste> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5394915.msg59884817 bounty thread
14:54:26 <endogenic> i would need to review its source code
14:54:34 <copypaste> https://github.com/SChernykh/vanity_xmr_cuda/tree/main/src gen source
14:54:38 <copypaste> i know i was getting both :)
14:54:42 <endogenic> arigatou
14:55:17 <copypaste> 問題ない
14:55:56 <copypaste> i actually know dick about monero and could not have done this in a reasonable timeframe myself which is why i just made a bounty. i expected it to be a while. sech1 is too good
14:58:23 <rbrunner> sech1 importing the calculated spend private key into monero-wallet-cli using "--generate-from-spend-key" wallet creation option
14:58:54 <rbrunner> and then getting the same public address for the wallet that the generator calculated IMHO proves pretty much that on the generator side everything is ok
14:59:37 <rbrunner> So if MyMonero for technical reasons needs the view private key as well easiest would indeed be making the generator giving that out as well
15:00:53 <rbrunner> Probably an almost trivial change, and should do no harm
15:01:16 <copypaste> cool, okay
15:02:08 <endogenic> you should verify the cause of the discrepancy though
15:03:55 <copypaste> btw sech1 i'm adding more search modes
15:04:11 <rbrunner> I think the only unknown left is what the "Gen 4. (Audit Addr)" button on https://xmr.llcoins.net/addresstests.html doing, or is supposed to do
15:05:12 <copypaste> it calls a function pubToView which does sc_reduce32(cn_fast_hash(pubSpend.value));
15:05:17 <copypaste> if that helps. means not much to me.
15:05:59 <sech1> cn_fast_hash and sc_reduce32 is how private view key is generated from the private spend key
15:06:00 <rbrunner> Right. That's where it gets confusing: I posit deriving a private key from a public key can't possibly work, obviously :)
15:06:15 <copypaste> hi sech1 :D
15:09:31 <rbrunner> The function behind the button takes the spend *public* key and sets the view *private* key. What can this be good for, at all?
15:22:38 <sech1> copypaste I'll create a new Monero address with viewkey to receive the bounty
15:24:29 <sech1> posted it in bitcointalk thread
15:51:37 <copypaste> sech1: 12 XMR ok? also asked there
15:51:41 <copypaste> doing a swap right now
15:52:37 <copypaste> Recipient Wallet
15:52:39 <copypaste> 44tHANKU69BUSJwcseRfNDecr1D8Z61X6gfpKmU1BfQMgUUqqkUufMY8EGdFXz6uTJ4w9Ggc8rmEheuSvYfXDKq85F5igyx
15:52:43 <copypaste> hehe
15:56:26 <sech1> yes, 12 XMR ok
15:56:54 <copypaste> okay :D just waiting for confirmations and i'll send it. thanks so much !
15:57:14 <copypaste> if you want general programming work i can make that happen too — but doubt you are interested
15:57:35 <copypaste> fonts related. dba.gg is my personal site, that kind of stuff. fonts and font editors ( mfek.org , fontforge.org ).
15:58:58 <copypaste> sech1: oh please put that in the bitcointalk thread just so everything's kosher
15:59:46 <sech1> sure
16:00:07 <sech1> fonts are not my speciality :D
16:00:29 <copypaste> font editors might be ;-) lots of math stuff
16:00:48 <copypaste> https://github.com/MFEK/stroke#nib-stroking
16:01:05 <copypaste> certainly that problem may not interest you, but that's the typical code my little foundation usually sponsors :P
16:01:31 <copypaste> sigh does anyone know why MyMonero demands so many confirms to send?
16:01:43 <copypaste> that's an annoying issue, you should be able to send on top of one confirm
16:02:50 <sech1> 10-15 confirms is normal for exchanges
16:07:33 <copypaste> that is true, but technically
16:07:40 <copypaste> you can send after one exchange
16:07:43 <copypaste> mymonero is an open source wallet
16:07:46 <copypaste> it's a light wallet
16:09:45 <sech1> there's always 10 confirmations limit
16:09:56 <sech1> in network consensus
16:10:02 <copypaste> oh really
16:10:07 <copypaste> okay, that's a difference of this coin
16:10:20 <copypaste> other coins i think let you build up chains of unvalidated?
16:10:42 <sech1> yes, Monero has this limitation. There have been talks about fixing it
16:10:57 <copypaste> maybe we have more to do together after all ;)
16:11:04 <copypaste> (it's at 7 confirms)
16:15:13 <DeanGuss> For remote nodes, clients just get whole blocks from the remote node, right?  How does the client determine which blocks are needed?
16:23:49 <ndorf> all of them are needed
16:28:11 <emagex> I finally finished my monero QR code graphic: https://i.ibb.co/Vm1yCJW/monero-qr-750.png
16:28:20 <emagex> not gonna lie, I'm pretty proud of it ;P
16:29:10 <copypaste> sech1: paid :) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5394915.new#new
16:29:11 <emagex> as someone who doesn't know how to make graphics, inkscape is hella confusing!
16:30:08 <copypaste> i work on fonts for a living, the handwriting really needs work; even though it's supposed to be "bad" it is glaring that both a's are the same
16:30:19 <copypaste> many people use fonts when what they want is lettering ;-)
16:30:53 <copypaste> although some fonts do have many versions of letters, e.g. some of mine like TT2020 / Quaerite Regnum Dei, of course neither would work there, just examples. FF Duper is a more fitting one maybe
16:36:40 <emagex> do you have any recommendations?
16:37:05 <emagex> something free I can replace it with...
16:39:21 <emagex> I just use the Odysee font as that's where I'll post it (in the description of my videos).
16:44:05 <copypaste> sech1: sorry i have to do that again. that was an expensive lesson, lmao. but it's cryptocurrency, that's far from the first time i've made a stupid mistake
16:44:07 <copypaste> that tx is invalid
16:48:32 <sech1> if it's invalid, it will not be mined
16:48:54 <copypaste> uh, invalid in the sense that i fatally misunderstood something
16:49:29 <copypaste> it was my understanding that the payment ID field in MyMonero correlated to the "extra" field in a Monero tx
16:49:37 <sech1> Height 2604766, txid <2d84f1d38a6d149ce66f1f13507a55600e67436b16ca821f5f7c607a89ac93f9>, 12.000000000000, idx 0/0
16:49:47 <copypaste> and i could put anything there. not so. 
16:49:59 <sech1> I can see it in my wallet
16:50:04 <copypaste> really?
16:50:08 <copypaste> 4H9V28tNLtmhRVuLevzx3PGpjF8LoKNNfSEfykesoVejS7P4CVZMucUDdAkv7hiFtSAyGQYp4uwAZGPFUJh6CkepRU1igUSh4NV6hT5SNw
16:50:10 <copypaste> this program is broken
16:50:15 <copypaste> that's where it says it went to
16:50:18 <copypaste> i'm done using it for anything
16:50:24 <copypaste> it can't get anything right
16:51:05 <sech1> you don't need to fill in any payment ID or extra
16:51:11 <copypaste> i know
16:51:15 <copypaste> i thoguht it would be funny
16:51:45 <copypaste> so you did get it then?
16:52:34 <sech1> My wallet shows it, so yes :D
16:52:39 <sech1> But I don't mind if you try again :D
16:52:47 <copypaste> hahaha xD
16:53:00 <copypaste> thanks a lot for your honesty!
16:53:06 <copypaste> i have no clue what's up with MyMonero
16:54:36 <sech1> Block 2604766, which included this tx, was mined by p2pool
16:54:38 <sech1> ironic
17:32:23 <copypaste> sech1: ha
17:32:35 <copypaste> well that was frustrating but i was eventually able to sort it and i lost no money :)
17:32:37 <copypaste> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5394915.new#new
17:32:43 <copypaste> better than how most of my crypto oopsies go
17:34:07 <sech1> tip for the future: always send small amount first and wait for confirmation from the other party
17:34:25 <sech1> that also applies when moving funds to your own new wallet
17:34:30 <copypaste> (Bitcointalk) Date Registered: June 27, 2013, 02:17:54 PM
17:34:38 <copypaste> i am doomed to foreer be a n00b ;-)