02:35:07 <xmrfn> With the upcoming release, I want to help the network by bringing up a testnet node. What version of source should I compile for it? Just grab the latest commit on github master and try to keep it in more or less in sync?
02:50:35 <plowsof[m]> this should be relevant (a docker script) https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/utzyyz/help_test_out_the_upcoming_monero_network_upgrade/ 
03:05:36 <xmrfn> Thanks!
03:21:04 <xmrfn> I am specifically looking to build from source and deploy that way. From that link I found a prior reddit post that says "build the CLI from the main (master) branch of the repository", which is kind of what I figured but is good to know. Thanks again
03:22:47 <plowsof[m]> Thank you for supporting the network!
20:39:33 <jwinterm> anyone know if monero-lws fully implements openmonero api?
20:40:01 <jwinterm> I thought I had it setup but when I try: curl  -w "\n" -X POST http://127.0.0.1:1984/get_version from openmonero docs I get:
20:40:09 <jwinterm> curl: (52) Empty reply from server
20:42:51 <endogenic> monero lws implements the lws api... i dont know of an openmonero api spec anyway. i think it OM tries to impl the lws spec.
20:43:25 <jwinterm> well lws has not much docs
20:43:40 <jwinterm> but openmonero has this https://github.com/moneroexamples/openmonero#openmonero-json-rest-api
20:43:59 <endogenic> lws spec? it's fully documented
20:44:04 <endogenic> it's even in mainline monero
20:44:20 <endogenic> as for OM's api, oh.. well, it started from the lws spec
20:44:28 <endogenic> i have some expansions to the lws spec coming
20:44:31 <jwinterm> if I look in docs here there is very little https://github.com/vtnerd/monero-lws
20:44:42 <endogenic> that is not the lws mainline spec
20:44:44 <jwinterm> I saw vtnerd's repo recommended in recent reddit thread
20:44:46 <endogenic> look in monero project meta
20:44:58 <endogenic> .bbl
20:45:47 <vdo> I think the lws API is limited to the light wallet functions
20:45:53 <vdo> https://github.com/mymonero/mymonero-utils/tree/master/packages/mymonero-lws-client
20:46:02 <vdo> see how mymonero uses it
20:46:16 <endogenic> that is not the lws spec either
20:46:24 <jwinterm> pls gib spec ser
20:46:24 <vdo> nope
20:46:27 <endogenic> the lws isnt actually linited in that way
20:46:35 <endogenic> it has been expanded to hybrid mode
20:46:59 <vdo> "the spec is the code"
20:47:06 <endogenic> but that work never saw the light of day for some reason
20:47:11 <endogenic> vdo that is foolish, sorry
20:47:19 <vdo> read the quotes
20:47:28 <endogenic> huh?
20:48:03 <endogenic> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/blob/master/api/lightwallet_rest.md
20:48:12 <endogenic> note it's only the rest version
20:48:29 <endogenic> bbl / afk
20:49:15 <jwinterm> thx
20:49:16 <MeowingCat> meowww
20:49:23 <MeowingCat> cat is here
20:49:52 * jwinterm is always here
20:57:46 <jwinterm> is recommendation to use monero-lws in vtnerd_ repo or...
20:57:59 <jwinterm> cause that is what I saw on reddit and that is top google result for "monero-lws"
20:58:19 <jwinterm> or is openmonero recommended?
20:58:31 <jwinterm> or something official from mymonero?
20:58:59 <endogenic> monero lws is as close to 'official' as we would make
20:59:06 <endogenic> it impls the spec and is written well
20:59:12 <endogenic> subaddrs are coming to it too
20:59:21 <endogenic> i am releasing an awesome client for lws too
20:59:36 <endogenic> i dont expect to support arbitrary other rest apis
21:11:18 <MeowingCat> how can i build monero-lws with debug symbols?
21:11:25 <MeowingCat> is there a quick parameter for that?
21:14:17 <plowsof[m]> jwinterm have you read the 'performance' part of openmonero's readme (talks about the differences between MyMonero)
21:14:39 <plowsof[m]> most importantly "no ongoing monitoring of user's transactions is happening, since user's viewkey is not stored"
21:16:13 <plowsof[m]> i believe jberman and cryptogrampy helped set up a nice little docker container for monero-lws 
21:17:13 <plowsof[m]> https://github.com/vtnerd/monero-lws/pull/30
21:17:13 <plowsof[m]> PiNodeXMR also has some easy monero-lws setup if you happen to have a pi 
21:18:26 <jwinterm> plowsof[m] and endogenic thanks
21:19:04 <endogenic> MeowingCat: i think you may need to edit the cmakelists and add a compile time opt .. i'd have to check if it's exposed
21:19:27 <MeowingCat> endogenic, okiiii tyy
21:19:30 <endogenic> plowsof[m]: that also means the system cannot scan in the bg for you
21:19:40 <endogenic> if the impl does not store the sec v key
21:19:55 <jwinterm> endogenic: is vtnerd the "as close to official" repo?
21:20:00 <endogenic> but w monero lws running yourself you dont need to worry about the view key being stored
21:20:01 <plowsof[m]> yep, 'openmonero' is not really a lws 
21:20:10 <endogenic> openmonero absolutely is a lws
21:20:23 <endogenic> lws literally means scanning and caching server
21:20:29 <plowsof[m]> but it serves the same purpose as 'opening a monero gui wallet' 
21:20:29 <endogenic> it's not just a daemon lol
21:20:42 <endogenic> plowsof[m]: huh? what does that even mean. lol
21:20:58 <endogenic> mobile keyboard messing up my punctuation
21:21:16 <plowsof[m]> when i think of a 'lws' i think of always scanning in the bg with my key ( which would be worth the effort of setting up)
21:21:33 <endogenic> jwinterm: the mymonero partners sponsored and guided the dev of vt nerd's lws impl
21:21:43 <endogenic> the initial idea was PR to mainli e
21:21:45 <endogenic> line
21:22:03 <jwinterm> oke
21:22:09 <endogenic> but that'd have required splitting the "monero" repo or adding lws as another official repo
21:22:18 <endogenic> and community couldnt come together at the time i guess
21:22:31 <endogenic> plowsof[m]: that's just one subtype of lws
21:22:49 <endogenic> lws basically means other service connects to daemon
21:23:00 <endogenic> maybe one day lws can take a daemon uri per wallet
21:23:04 <endogenic> that would be kinda dope
21:23:35 <endogenic> but very hard for lws servers w big userbases to keep up with
21:24:05 <endogenic> jwinterm: vtnerd is keeping the lws up to date w mainline
21:24:20 <endogenic> and the impl has gained adoption and contributors
21:24:33 <endogenic> i think that's a massive and underrated benefit
21:24:50 <plowsof[m]> to sum a mymonero thing up.. would you say that it is a 'monero rpc wallet' running a view only wallet . and our wallet creates a signed transaction - which mymonero broadcasts to the network - and we also give it the key images to keep everything synced up?
21:24:55 <endogenic> i'm just saying yes it's virtually official
21:25:04 <endogenic> vis a vis the existing rest spec
21:25:41 <endogenic> plowsof[m]: the lws does not take the key imgs
21:26:04 <plowsof[m]> interesting, i assumed it was like 'making an offline transaction / keeping the view only wallet synced up'
21:26:15 <endogenic> it is
21:26:21 <endogenic> but not what you said
21:26:21 <plowsof[m]> XD
21:26:26 <endogenic> ees ok :)
21:26:28 <jwinterm> how does it track balance if you restore a wallet where tx was broadcast outside of mymonero?
21:26:33 <endogenic> *hugs plowsof[m]*
21:26:42 <plowsof[m]> thnxx ^_^
21:26:48 <endogenic> jwinterm: it is purely a monero scanner?
21:27:05 <jwinterm> so mymonero does take key image, but monero-lws does not?
21:27:15 <endogenic> no
21:27:16 <endogenic> neither does
21:27:33 <jwinterm> I guess I haven't thought about how mymonero really works
21:27:55 <endogenic> it's almost exactly like monero lws in implementation
21:27:58 <endogenic> but functionally
21:28:03 <endogenic> it is virtually exactly the same
21:28:12 <endogenic> bbl running :)
21:28:36 <jwinterm> > the browser script also uses your spend key to find out which of the outputs received from the viewkey-identified outputs from the mymonero server are spent
21:28:38 <jwinterm> oic
21:28:44 <endogenic> yes
21:28:53 <endogenic> i can show you in the client code
21:29:04 <endogenic> bbl :)
21:31:08 <plowsof[m]> i remember a few months ago i experimented with 'downloading' a view only wallet file - into my hot wallet - and then 'uploading' it back to the view only wallet (locally on my homenetwork) ~ i forgot how far i got with that 
23:09:47 <MeowingCat> vtnerd_, hiiiiiiiiiiii
23:20:42 <endogenic> plowsof[m]: that's for totally cold signing no?
23:20:54 <endogenic> lws clients are "hot" signers
23:21:17 <endogenic> well, currently