01:01:45 <O0c> Can monero be mined on GPU?
01:03:32 <escapethe3ra[m]> <sech1> "lol, will someone tell them?" <- Done. https://monero.observer/huobi-global-to-suspend-monero-deposits-withdrawals-july-16-2022/
01:11:18 <dsc_> escapethe3ra[m]: lold
05:31:23 <Comatoas1> How do you move your blockchain to your external?
05:39:51 <Mochi101> Comatoas1, just copy it over.
05:40:04 <Mochi101> nothing special
05:57:43 <Comatoas1> Ok
05:57:47 <Comatoas1> hmm
06:10:29 <Mochi101> Comatoas1, you'll have to tell monerod where it is though
06:11:09 <Mochi101> start it with --data-dir E:\your-file-path-to-blockchain-data
06:11:18 <Mochi101> or something like that
06:15:16 <Comatoas1> ah yeah got it
06:15:30 <Comatoas1> I dunno last time I did that it freaked out and I had to download the whole blockchain again
06:28:26 <Mochi101> Then you didn't do it right.
06:29:00 <Mochi101> IF you're on a *nix system it was likely permissions or ownership issues.
12:51:29 <lagoon93> hello
14:21:17 <netrik182> hello
14:29:28 <froggles> hello
16:37:22 <garth> Anybody know the new date for the hardfork in August?
16:38:34 <garth> Never mind it is august 13
17:04:39 <artchad> hey, I've just downloaded the monero cli. How would I create an account with pruning?
17:05:03 <artchad> the docs call it an "account"
17:08:33 <netrik182> creating an account is normally refered to creating a wallet address and pruning is related to syncing a proned version of the blockchain 
17:08:35 <netrik182> https://www.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/monero-wallet-cli.html
17:09:37 <netrik182> ./monerod --prune-blockchain would start syncing a proned node
17:10:00 <netrik182> s/proned/pruned/
17:10:44 <artchad> funny, that I can't seem to execute the binary. it says "./monerod not found". Is there a problem when not using bash?
17:10:47 <artchad> I'm on Alpinelinux
17:11:22 <froggles> Are you in the same directory when you're executing it?
17:11:59 <artchad> sure am
17:12:00 <artchad> lol
17:12:29 <artchad> I tried chmod +x monerod
17:12:31 <froggles> lol :P just you said "./monerod not found"
17:12:44 <artchad> goes for every binary
17:13:06 <artchad> the computer is too smart for me. I thought I should be able to just run the binary
17:13:24 <froggles> Can you just run "monerod"?
17:13:40 <artchad> nope
17:14:04 <netrik182> `ls -la` shows that you have run permission for monerod?
17:14:15 <artchad> it's all user:user with x for ugo
17:14:46 <froggles> How did you download and install it?
17:14:55 <netrik182> something is off in your system then
17:15:09 <artchad> it's very minimal, so maybe I'm missing something obvious
17:15:41 <froggles> Well either you have monerod but it hasn't been put into your PATH or you don't even have it
17:15:55 <froggles> So we need to find it or download/install it
17:17:45 <artchad> I'll have to do some reasearch then.
17:17:58 <froggles> I'm just gonna spin up an alpine vm
17:18:07 <froggles> Where and how did you download what you did?
17:18:12 <froggles> So I can copy your steps
17:23:37 <artchad> I downloaded it from the website
17:23:56 <artchad> https://downloads.getmonero.org/cli/linux64
17:40:32 <froggles> Hey I think I figured out your problem
17:41:26 <froggles> So monerod is there in the directory, it's just "./monerod" not found refers to not finding some glibc dependency.
17:41:34 <froggles> Alpine uses musl and that's what's causing the issue
17:41:55 <froggles> This seems to be the appropriate issue: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/66963068/docker-alpine-executable-binary-not-found-even-if-in-path
17:42:56 <froggles> In theory "apk add gcompat" and then running it with "./monerod" should fix it, although on my VM "./monerod" segfaulted but did at least run
17:49:15 <froggles> My VM might be segfaulting cause it has 512mb ram and 8gb harddrive.
17:49:34 <froggles> But yeah have a go at "apk add gcompat" and see if it works then
18:00:38 <artchad> thanks for the help
18:01:37 <froggles> Do tell if it works
18:15:29 <artchad> it gives me a juicy segfault
18:15:46 <artchad> that's it for my dream of becoming a monero billionaire
18:15:48 <artchad> xD
18:46:25 <froggles> I tried compiling from monero from source on alpine and it's a fucking mess
18:46:43 <froggles> Your best bet would be to basically try out anyother distro other than alpine because of musl
18:49:40 <froggles> You could also try docker but I don't really know how that works 
21:50:22 <user85> monero atomic swap works already?
21:53:19 <Torr> It does with btc iirc, but not on the GUI.
21:53:28 <user85> i can use cmd
21:53:31 <user85> any links?
21:56:10 <user85> also can I ask general privacy questions here?
21:56:11 <Torr> Check the #monero-swap channel
21:56:16 <user85> or just monero related?
21:57:51 <Torr> It has a link to the project on the topic.
22:00:21 <Torr> And yes, but try not to be super off topic when there are other discussions going on.
22:03:30 <user85> also how come source code comes with vendored libraries?
22:03:33 <user85> does not look good
22:03:38 <user85> should have 0
22:11:43 <hyc> why does it not look good?
22:12:42 <hyc> nonsense...
22:22:15 <Torr> hyc: He likes it a little more petite.
22:34:51 <user85> i am checking if they come as a binary or they pull a source code from somewhere
22:35:31 <hyc> eh? everything is source code
22:35:47 <user85> read readme
22:37:03 <hyc> everything except libc and libc++ anyway
22:37:08 <user85> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/search?q=libunbound
22:38:04 <hyc> official binaries build all dependencies from source
22:38:18 <user85> official binaries?
22:38:24 <hyc> if you build unofficial yourself, you can do whatever you want
22:38:27 <user85> there should be 0 binaries
22:38:47 <hyc> reproducible builds. anyone can follow the build procedure and get identical results.
22:39:09 <froggles> Some nice work being done in reproducibility 
22:39:11 <hyc> "should be 0 binaries" - again, nonsense
22:39:30 <user85> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/big-sabotage-famous-npm-package-deletes-files-to-protest-ukraine-war/
22:39:35 <user85> 0 binaries
22:39:50 <selsta> we don't use npm??
22:39:55 <hyc> nobody is that stupid here.
22:40:22 <user85> binaries  must no be included in a source code
22:40:23 <user85> so simple
22:40:25 <hyc> we build from source. all dependencies built from source.
22:40:34 <hyc> there are no binaries included in source code.
22:40:41 <hyc> nobody is that stupid.
22:40:48 <selsta> just for your information, unbound is not vendored
22:40:58 <hyc> ^ not any more
22:41:08 <selsta> in master at least :P
22:41:10 <user85> https://cakewallet.com/ is there something like this on tor?
22:41:25 <user85> multi wallet and insta exchange
22:41:44 <selsta> don't think so
22:41:52 <selsta> you can run tor on your android phone and cakewallet
22:41:59 <user85> i am stupid so I am checking for web wallets
22:42:03 <user85> :)
22:43:26 <user85> there is xmrwallet it requires js lol
22:43:45 <hyc> isn't xmrwallet one of the scams that steals user money?
22:43:50 <user85> looks like it
22:44:17 <user85> are there any reputable online wallets ?
22:44:53 <user85> guess i can use an exchange as a wallet
22:46:20 <selsta> hyc: quite sure it was never proven and there were a lot of phishing websites for it, but there were a lot of reports
22:46:55 <hyc> never proved? ah. thought it was, but ok. definitely a lot of reports
22:47:02 <dsc_> user85: the exchange maybe has a libunbound dependency... you never know.. just be careful
22:47:59 <hyc> using exchange as wallet leaves you vulnerable to account lockouts. dunno why anyone would rely on them
22:49:35 <user85> any exchanges that dont require js? :)
22:50:06 <dsc_> + potential loss of funds as unsecured creditors in a catastrophic event
22:50:25 <hyc> ^ plenty of those events going around right now too
22:50:37 <dsc_> :-)
22:51:28 <user85> yes?
22:53:35 <user85> hmm
22:53:45 <user85> so how to buy it then? :)
22:55:37 <user85> all of the http://monerotoruzizulg5ttgat2emf4d6fbmiea25detrmmy7erypseyteyd.onion/community/merchants/index.html swappers require js - why they listed?
23:00:48 <user85> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/9f814edbd78c70c70b814ca934c1ddef58768262/.github/workflows/build.yml#L15
23:01:11 <user85> libbound-dev and then libbound is compiled from source?
23:01:13 <user85> yet to see how
23:01:16 <user85> can someone explain
23:01:18 <user85> ?
23:04:35 <user85> hmmm
23:05:34 <hyc> you build libunbound from source first, and install it ahead of time before building monero
23:06:39 <user85> which version does it require
23:06:55 <hyc> look in contrib/depends
23:07:04 <hyc> all the dependencies are defined there
23:07:06 <user85> and where in a git i can see how app itself builds libunbound in case it is missing?
23:07:22 <hyc> ^^
23:10:40 <hyc> if you just go into the top source directory and run "make depends" you'll get a complete build from source code of everything.
23:12:45 <user85> to be honest it takes time to read all code
23:12:56 <user85> easier for me is to find some online wallet :)
23:14:19 <hyc> you'd be suspicious of a git repo, but you'd trust an online wallet where you can't even see its code?
23:14:44 <hyc> your threat model seems pretty strange
23:15:54 <user85> code that is not run anywhere 
23:16:02 <user85> but their own backend :)
23:16:26 <user85> why all swaps listed use js?
23:16:29 <user85> surely bs
23:16:39 <user85> that also makes one to check all source code
23:16:41 <user85> all of it
23:16:46 <user85> and it takes ages lol
23:33:58 <user85> ok found it https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/11cc473d97823c68fb879d1a31fb871ab6558d51/contrib/depends/packages/gtest.mk
23:34:05 <user85> does compile from source :)
23:38:24 <user85> ontrib/depends' config.sub: missing argument Try `config.sub --help' for more information. sha256sum: hosts/.mk: No such file or directory
23:38:29 <user85> hmmm
23:39:11 <user85> hyc: how come lol
23:40:38 <user85> https://www.zdnet.com/article/official-monero-website-compromised-with-malware-that-steals-funds/
23:40:40 <user85> hmm
23:47:15 <selsta> that's why users are supposed to verify hashes and signature