00:07:04 <user85> anyone here managed to build monero cli wallet recently?
00:07:12 <user85> makek gives a lot of errors
00:07:31 <selsta> yes
00:07:42 <selsta> post the error
00:07:46 <user85> selsta: have you tried make depends
00:07:56 <selsta> yes, i use it all the tiem
00:07:58 <selsta> time*
00:08:14 <user85> Entering directory '...../monero/contrib/depends'config.sub: missing argument
00:08:15 <user85> Try `config.sub --help' for more information.sha256sum: hosts/.mk: No such file or directory
00:09:14 <user85> uname -a Linux .....
00:09:18 <user85> using debian
00:10:16 <dsc_> did you clone from github?
00:10:23 <selsta> we only tested it on ubuntu 18.04 and 20.04
00:10:27 <selsta> other OS might not work
00:10:33 <selsta> or need some tweaking
00:11:27 <user85> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/contrib/depends/Makefile#L57 maybe change linux to Linux?
00:16:36 <user85> ok i can use cake wallet for a moment
02:08:50 <user85> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=moner&searchon=names&suite=stable&section=all
02:08:50 <user85> :)
02:14:31 <user85> cake wallet exc is yet to work
02:21:58 <user85> when i select btc amount monero stays 0
02:22:01 <user85> how come
02:22:16 <user85> ....
02:25:31 <user85> selsta: do you use cake wallet?
02:25:49 <user85> maybe they started to scam? lol
02:49:39 <user85> hmm
03:09:53 <user85> selsta: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/8108 fix is not working
03:15:06 <user85> any ideas what to twick?
03:15:06 <user85> tweak
03:19:17 <user85> does cake wallet malfunction on some android versions?
03:19:44 <user85> exhange does not work what so ever
03:20:12 <user85>  cant complile freaking cli wallet
03:20:12 <user85> is it project working or?
03:40:08 <selsta> user85: there are different users
03:40:20 <selsta> you can't link to a random issue and say it doesn't work lol
03:40:31 <selsta> different possible issues*
03:41:27 <selsta> i said it before already, depends works on ubuntu 18.04 and 20.04, other OS might not work
03:42:36 <user85> its same issue
03:42:36 <user85> selsta: also do you use cake wallet?
03:42:45 <selsta> then post log
03:43:09 <user85> debian is a very popular distro
03:43:15 <user85> selsta: log of?
03:43:28 <user85> which log
03:43:28 <selsta> no, a log of the error message
03:43:37 <user85> Cmakeoutput?
03:43:44 <selsta> yes
03:45:59 <selsta> paste.debian.net
03:49:28 <user85> last lines with an error message https://paste.debian.net/1247465/
03:51:14 <selsta> there is no error in your log
03:51:50 <user85> Determining if the -Wl,-undefined,error linker flag is supported passed with the following output:
03:53:31 <user85> fatal: path 'external/miniupnp' does not exist in 'HEAD'
03:53:31 <user85> CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:273 (message):  Submodule 'external/miniupnp' is not up-to-date.  Please update all  submodules with
03:53:31 <user85> git module sync and similar does not solve it
08:07:38 <duso> Sync data returned a new top block candidate: 2668343 -> 2669111 [Your node is 768 blocks (1.1 days) behind]
08:08:47 <duso> I did have to disconnect and reboot so the server was offline for a couple hours today so I have slipped behind a bit - will be interesting if it quickly catches up to about ~450 blocks behind and stays there for days again
09:08:58 <duso> 2022-07-16 14:20:44.698 [P2P4]  INFO    global  src/cryptonote_protocol/cryptonote_protocol_handler.inl:414     [162.218.65.30:18380 OUT] Sync data returned a new top block 
09:09:53 <duso> candidate: 2668343 -> 2669111 [Your node is 768 blocks (1.1 days) behind] - So at 14:20 I was 768 blocks behind
09:10:41 <moneromooo> If you fial to sync, restart with --log-level 1, check what errors you get, if any.
09:12:09 <duso> 2022-07-16 14:48:16.680 [P2P9]  INFO    global  src/cryptonote_protocol/cryptonote_protocol_handler.inl:1681    Synced 2668663/2669129 (99%, 466 left) - At 14:48 it had synced to 466 blocks left, so in 28 minutes it synced 300 blocks
09:14:30 <duso> 2022-07-16 15:28:00.705 [P2P0]  INFO    global  src/cryptonote_protocol/cryptonote_protocol_handler.inl:414     [168.119.163.4:18080 OUT] Sync data returned a new top block candidate: 2668695 -> 2669157 [Your node is 462 blocks (15.4 hours) behind] - At 15:28 it is now at 462, so in the past 40 minutes it has synced 4 blocks
09:26:54 <user85> hi
09:26:57 <user85> :)
09:27:18 <user85> anyone here have managed to build monero cli on debian ?
10:26:28 <user85> hi
10:26:47 <user85> any btc xmr exchanges that worrk with 0 js?
10:35:15 <lagoon93> any thoughts about https://pointnetwork.io/
10:35:54 <user85> is it an exchange?
10:37:09 <lagoon93> new web 3.0
10:37:25 <lagoon93> lets c if is really decentralized
10:37:35 <lagoon93> proof of stake...
10:41:23 <rbrunner> user85: "anyone here have managed to build monero cli on debian ?" Yes. Your problem, whatever it is, does not seem Debian-related to me then.
10:44:01 <user85> its working now
10:44:04 <user85> :)
10:44:10 <user85> got some help in dev
10:44:27 <user85> rbrunner: which exchange do you recommend?
10:44:37 <user85> cake wallet exchange is not working lol
11:17:14 <user85> ok my main remaining question who here does use cake wallet?
11:17:19 <user85> rest i can google
11:19:07 <selsta> i tried it on iOS
11:19:12 <selsta> but not the built in exchange
11:20:39 <user85> selsta: could you try the exchange? just ented some btc amount and see if it works? i installed apk directly from their website
11:20:57 <selsta> do you use tor?
11:21:02 <user85> when i click btc all in xmr section it blinks and remains 0
11:21:05 <user85> selsta: yes
11:21:08 <user85> orbot
11:21:08 <selsta> exchanges block tor sometimes
11:21:14 <user85> could be
11:21:23 <user85> it was my though too
11:21:51 <user85> hmm i could check on exchange site
11:22:01 <user85> i was able to open it in tor browser
11:23:09 <user85> or exchange maintenanxce
11:47:56 <user85> selsta: yes both reject tor users
11:47:58 <user85> checked
11:48:29 <selsta> centralized exchanges almost always reject tor users
11:48:42 <user85> how come
11:48:59 <user85> what to use then?
11:49:36 <moneromooo> first layer vs DoS I guess. Possibly also so they can spy a bit more to assusage govt regulators.
11:50:14 <moneromooo> Well, more brute force attacks than DoS per se.
11:51:23 <selsta> quite sure the operators of bitmex got arrested by US for anti money laundering charges because they allowed US users to access their exchange using Tor
11:52:07 <user85> gotta run exc in russia no extradiction lol
11:52:21 <moneromooo> What bullshit. Too hard to go after crims, so let's forbid anything that might be useful to crims, even if it's also helpful to others.
11:56:54 <gingeropolous> well its not working on ubuntu 20 for me: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/4JRb3b3D/raw
11:57:26 <gingeropolous> deterministic builds that is
11:57:52 <gingeropolous> clearly it needs more coffee
11:58:25 <gingeropolous> thats after running ./gitian-build.py --setup --docker $GH_USER $VERSION
11:59:52 <user85> they already have device fingerprint via js so why ban tor hmm
12:00:28 <user85> also i would say every ip that access any of those exchanges in clearnet is stored somewhere in a black list
12:01:15 <user85> eu has published a paper on digital euro a year ago saying euro may suffer unless it goes digitial and digital issuance must be done by cb
12:01:21 <user85> then lashing at crypto
12:01:36 <user85> after paper is out they pulled money out of crypto and tanked euro lol
12:04:32 <gingeropolous> well i may have it goin...
12:05:09 <gingeropolous> hrm nope
12:09:43 <gingeropolous> ok. this time ima try https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/contrib/gitian/DOCKRUN.md on a clean ubuntu 20
12:21:00 * gingeropolous wearing the special pants today i guess: https://termbin.com/5t1m1
12:33:56 <user85> selsta: localmonero i want to buy xmr crypto currency region any - offers 0 wtf
12:33:57 <user85> lol
12:35:10 <zoom0ut> user error
12:35:17 <user85> looks so
12:35:20 <user85> checking
12:36:09 <zoom0ut> sometimes the site does weird things 
12:38:20 <user85> it does not have btc wallet???
12:39:05 <user85> ....
12:39:09 <user85> idiotic
12:44:03 <user85> ok nearly there lol
16:15:13 <hyc> I wonder why I never see #monero trending on twitter. looks like it should only take around 1000 tweets to register as a trend
16:19:40 <selsta> lots of cryptocurrencies pay for bots
16:22:09 <hyc> good point
18:45:56 <user85> nearly there :)
18:46:03 <user85> few bits and pieces left
18:46:10 <user85> anyone is already on v 18?
18:48:35 <user85> Refresh done, blocks received: 0  
18:49:45 <user85> some fuckery occured
18:50:41 <user85> i have created sub address, now wallet is re opened no sub addresses is shown
18:50:43 <user85> how come?
18:54:44 <user85> i have managed to receive monero
18:54:49 <user85> now I am monero whale lol
18:54:59 <user85> 100 usd work lol
18:55:02 <user85> worth
19:12:48 <user85> ./monero-wallet-cli --daemon-address node.moneroworld.com:18089 - each time I run it a new random node is guaranteed?
19:16:48 <moneromooo> No.
19:17:33 <moneromooo> One reason is that guaranteeing this would require a guarantee that there are alwaus two nodes running at least, all the time.
19:17:51 <moneromooo> Another is that you're asking a third party, who knows what they do.
19:18:05 <user85> ok
19:18:19 <moneromooo> Even if that third party is honest, asshats could register 10k "different" nodes in there, hiding that they're in cahoots.
19:18:42 <moneromooo> And if there's one thing the world is full of, it's spying shits.
19:19:01 <user85> can I just download entire blockchain as a signed tar.gz?
19:19:06 <user85> pruned perhaps
19:19:54 <moneromooo> There's is an partial chain somewhere on getmonero.org, can't recall if signed. Doesn't matter though, since your node verifies it on import (if you don't do something really stupid).
19:20:05 <moneromooo> I'm not sire how up to date it is though.
19:20:46 <user85> i might even run my own open node on some vps
20:32:21 <user85> nearly there :)
20:32:30 <user85> playing with tor and monero
20:32:36 <user85> securing dns etc
20:42:38 <user85> moneromooo: how I can check which remote node I am connected to?
20:42:48 <user85> also when i check wallet status - no SSL
20:42:49 <user85> hmm
20:47:01 <user85> ssl fixed
20:47:03 <user85> :)
20:48:59 <moneromooo> netstat
20:49:14 <moneromooo> If you're lucky, set_daemon without parameters maybe.
20:49:48 <user85> i used --daemon-ssl-allow-any-cert     to fix ssl
20:49:50 <moneromooo> Though if you're using a round robin DNS, it'd show you the DNS name.
20:50:05 <user85> i am using tor exit dns
20:50:31 <moneromooo> That's not really "fixing". More like... making sure noone knows what you're talking about to someone you have no idea who it is :D
20:51:05 <user85> moneromooo: yes
20:51:22 <moneromooo> I guess it is better though.
20:51:43 <moneromooo> If you're really sure you want to talk to some random, that is.
20:51:45 <user85> at least exit node cant spy anymore :)
20:51:58 <moneromooo> Course it can.
20:52:02 <user85> moneromooo: how
20:52:13 <moneromooo> You're accepting any cert.
20:52:24 <user85> so mitming ssl cert hmm
20:52:46 <user85> well i dont know who is at the other end
20:52:55 <user85> how can I request their cert? lol
20:52:57 <moneromooo> Likely a spy.
20:53:07 <user85> how likely?
20:53:10 <user85> hmm
20:53:17 <moneromooo> Spies have a good incentive to offer their "services".
20:54:01 <moneromooo> Non spies do it for the pleasure of doing a good deed. Spies do it for their prurient urges and for money selling the data.
21:00:54 <user85> ok hmm
21:01:02 <user85> so all remote nodes are  potential spies hmm
21:09:58 <user85> sorry tor relay is slow sometimes
21:10:22 <user85> would it be faster to synch or import monero blockchain?
21:12:29 <user85> Pruned nodes are very useful and preferable to remote nodes, but if possible, users should run a full node and opt for pruning only in case if necessary.
21:12:43 <moneromooo> Probably sync.
21:17:59 <user85> trying to proxychains wget it it downloads a bit and stops why?
21:25:22 <moneromooo> One moment, I will go ask in #wget and get back to you.
21:26:35 <user85> nice joke lol
21:26:35 <user85> haha
21:26:58 <user85> moo well downloads in tor browser get interrupted so it is a pita
21:27:00 <user85> :)
21:27:36 <Guest4343> hyc i installed libtinfo but i have still same error
21:27:46 <user85> which error?
21:27:48 <moneromooo> I went and asked in #wget, it answered a bit and stops why?
21:28:02 <user85> i see you are a cow
21:28:03 <user85> :)
21:28:12 * user85 milks moneromooo :)
21:28:14 * moneromooo acts coquettish
21:28:19 * moneromooo acts affronted
21:28:31 <user85> haha
21:28:32 <user85> lol
21:29:33 <user85> ok do you want users to download raw blockchain then why block wget :)
21:29:46 <user85> people use wget to overload site?
21:33:29 <user85> oo
21:33:35 * user85 offers hay
21:33:36 <selsta> user85: use monerod instead of downloading the blockchain from the website
21:33:50 <user85> i actually have hay i can upload pic later lol
21:34:26 <user85> selsta: well yes however why website resists wget?
21:34:54 <selsta> no idea what you mean with resist wget
21:35:14 <selsta> try --follow or however it's called with wget
21:36:56 <selsta> ok wget follows redirects by default so ignore what i said
21:37:44 <selsta> just use monerod with --proxy instead
21:37:46 <user85> i  have even tried proxychains curl -O -J -L http://dlmonerotqz47bjuthtko2k7ik2ths4w2rmboddyxw4tz4adebsmijid.onion/blockchain.raw
21:37:56 <user85> same result
21:39:43 <user85> selsta: i understand however why put raw on a website when it can not be downloaded unless via browser
21:39:47 <user85> puzzles me
21:40:19 <selsta> i don't know what the issue is, there is no intentional wget block
21:41:50 <user85> selsta: I am trying proxychains curl -O -J -L http://dlmonerotqz47bjuthtko2k7ik2ths4w2rmboddyxw4tz4adebsmijid.onion/blockchain.raw
21:42:08 <user85> or proxychains wget url
21:42:15 <user85> it connects downloads a bit and stops
21:42:25 <selsta> yes i understood that by now :D
21:42:45 <selsta> we didn't add anything intentional to block wget / curl
21:43:02 <user85> well it does work with other websites
21:45:26 <user85> just tried to wget tor gz from their website works fine
21:45:42 <user85> so there is something added
21:46:32 <selsta> i'm quite sure the blockchain.raw isn't even updated
21:46:38 <selsta> it's a waste of time
21:46:46 <selsta> just use monerod directly
21:47:06 <user85> selsta: hardly since there are few more sites that have a similar issue
21:47:24 <user85> it is beneficial for me to understand
21:47:29 <user85> how human wget works :)
21:58:56 <user85> working
22:08:32 <user85> selsta: however tor is slow hehe
22:09:09 <selsta> how much disk space do you have left?
22:09:26 <selsta> --prune-blockchain should be around 45gb, otherwise 140gb or so
22:09:40 <selsta> i have a remote tor node that you can use in the meantime until your node is synced
22:10:11 <user85> selsta: i have space 
22:10:29 <selsta> mhfsxznn5pi4xuxohj5k7unqp73sa6d44mbeewbpxnm25z3wzfogcfyd.onion:18081
22:13:34 <user85> i guess fastest way simply synch daemon via clearnet?
22:13:45 <user85> to become a node eventually
22:15:27 <hyc> that's usually fastest yes
22:15:45 <user85> yes i will expose node ip - however there is no way to fingerprint node itself or there is?
22:15:54 <user85> if there is then tor only lol
22:22:36 <selsta> do you have an ssd? that will also speed up sync
22:24:09 <user85> selsta: its ok I can wait now I am simply thinking about any drawbacks of  syncing via clearnet
22:24:17 <user85> initial sync
22:25:34 <selsta> not aware of any fingerprinting to link your node later once you use tor
22:27:16 <moneromooo> There's the pruning slice. 9 values so a bit more than 3 bits.
22:28:00 <moneromooo> There's the current height (at which it stopped, then restarted).
22:28:25 <moneromooo> Possibly the contents of the txpool.
22:29:25 <moneromooo> The latter two only work if you connect to the same peers right before and right after though.
22:31:41 <user85> and pruning slice - if 0 pruning is used it does not apply?
22:32:15 <selsta> yes
22:32:36 <user85> so far i have linked my wallet to a random node nodes with and without ssl via tor - received xmr from exchange  :)
22:33:25 <user85> also btw yes better use tor exit node that is not same as tor browser exit node to prevent correlation lol
22:45:03 <zoom0ut> I feel better now  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h4GwPbjAU0
22:45:21 <zoom0ut> cow
22:46:15 <user85> i think i can wait with sync will read more about protocol, nodes
22:46:27 <user85> or sync slowly via tor :)
22:57:38 <user85> when i send money from one address to another using local node - other nodes cant see it?
22:57:49 <user85> they cant link new address to old?
23:00:29 <Mochi101> no
23:00:43 <user85> you mean yes to cant?
23:00:52 <user85> or
23:01:09 <Mochi101> "they" assuming some third party like the FBI, can't link your addresses
23:02:19 <user85> ok
23:02:48 <user85> however if using random remote node then obv linkable
23:02:49 <user85> ?
23:12:31 <sech1> nodes don't see your address at all
23:12:47 <sech1> and the recipient's address too
23:12:56 <sech1> and amount
23:13:06 <sech1> only the transaction fee, number of input and outputs
23:13:10 <sech1> and your IP address
23:13:41 <user85> ahhh cool
23:13:45 <sech1> Basically they can see only what you can find on xmrchain.net + they know your IP if you connect to them
23:14:51 <user85> what do you mean by number of input
23:17:59 <user85> https://xmrchain.net/tx/4865a51e6f971d81a03556a639a6fd326b539b2d02a9a21e2708e0b5b9345ff6
23:18:29 <user85> ok you mean amount sent
23:18:34 <user85> and ip address
23:19:05 <user85> neat
23:19:35 <user85> then why use local bd - use remote nodes lol
23:19:41 <user85> db
23:19:53 <user85> well running node is mainly to help network right?
23:21:49 <zoom0ut> you see the amount sent on xmrchain,net ?
23:22:55 <user85> no
23:23:12 <user85> what is a number of output?
23:25:30 <zoom0ut> Number of outputs is the number of recipients but always at least 2
23:27:17 <user85> reading
23:27:46 <zoom0ut> AUII the second being either a change output back to you or if no change then a dummy output so it is not known whether or not there was change
23:28:20 <merope> a malicious remote node can do some funky stuff when you send transactions, causing you to reveal your real inputs in a transaction
23:29:01 <user85> merope: and it its receiving only?
23:29:05 <merope> and also tell your wallet that the transaction fee you should pay is way higher - there have been cases of people paying >10 XMR in tx fees because they did not check
23:29:19 <user85> nods
23:29:53 <merope> not much they can do if you're just scanning the chain afaik, other than send you fake data so you miss incoming transaction
23:30:00 <user85> . Transaction mixing means that when funds are sent, the sender randomly chooses several other users’ funds to also appear in the transaction as a possible source of the funds being sent. The cryptographical nature of the ring signature means that no one can tell which of the funds were really the source of the transaction – not even the person that gave the funds to the sender in the first place.
23:30:03 <user85> neat
23:30:03 <merope> s
23:30:37 <user85> i wonder how malicious selsta node is lol
23:31:10 <selsta> who knows
23:31:13 <merope> no way to truly know - that's why you run your own
23:33:24 <user85> merope: however how can a remote node modify wallet cli transaction data cant wallet cli somehow tell them to get lost?
23:33:45 <user85> not to modify ok but this funky stuff
23:33:57 <user85> maybe there is  a way to simply block it?
23:36:03 <user85> overall looks good
23:36:11 <user85> anon features
23:40:42 <user85> so if i change my ip restart wallet  connect to a different monero remote node and send some xmr it can not correlate me to previous me who sent xmr via another node using another ip?
23:40:56 <user85> *it can not link
23:41:10 <user85> looks like it
23:42:00 <user85> merope: real inputs are amount and what else?