03:04:15 <hyc> an input is a coin. an output is a coin.
03:07:34 <Mochi101> sort of
09:11:48 <user85> day 3 of my monero adventures lol
09:16:52 <user85> my girl friend made some bluberry dumplings lol
09:17:02 <flyastara> has anyone tried compiling v18 on openbsd? it seems to fail on my end.
09:17:22 <user85> flyastara: what does fail
09:17:29 <user85> i am yet to try
09:17:49 <user85> i hate when people ask generic meaningless questions lol
09:18:34 <flyastara> user85: apologies, libunbound is reporting missing symbols.
09:18:47 <flyastara> ld: error: undefined symbol: event_base_new
09:18:50 <flyastara> and so on...
09:19:10 <user85> flyastara: have you tried to compiling your own libunbound?
09:19:33 <user85> also perhaps use some paste site to paste all errors
09:19:53 <user85> i am on debian - 0.17 worked well 0.18 yet to try
09:20:08 <flyastara> i tried using "make depends" but there doesn't seem to be a recipe for openbsd 7.1
09:20:21 <flyastara> well, i'm using -current
09:20:21 <selsta> yea we only have one for freebsd currently
09:21:00 <moneromooo> flyastara: need to link against libevent (or libevent2, not sure).
09:21:28 <moneromooo> Some lib builds with it, so monero needs to bring it in too.
09:22:39 <flyastara> moneromoo: okay, i'll look into it.
09:22:39 <selsta> unbound can be compiled with --with-livevent=no
09:24:40 <user85> selsta: do you eat dumplings? lol
09:25:12 <selsta> not with blueberry lol
09:25:23 <user85> why lol its tasty
09:25:50 <user85> i make  my own got machine to make mince etc :)
09:28:49 <selsta> ok i just googled it, never tried it before
09:29:05 <user85> its usually blueberries and sugar
09:29:08 <user85> taste pretty good
09:33:58 <user85> can't access https://moneroworld.com/ via tor browser hmmm
09:34:15 <user85> maybe exit node is blocking it will try another node
09:43:12 <selsta> it seems generally down to me
09:43:23 <selsta> gingeropolous: ^
09:46:21 <user85> selsta: if node is malicious what kind of info it can obtain from a transaction?
09:51:29 <selsta> https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/11305/does-using-a-remote-node-compromise-the-whole-wallet/11306#11306
09:52:33 <selsta> https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/7894/does-using-a-remote-node-provide-risks-to-anonymity
10:01:31 <user85> . By sending invalid data, the daemon can in some cases make the wallet error out sending a transaction, and if the user decides to retry, new ring siblings will be requested, allowing the daemon to deduce the true output. 
10:01:45 <user85> what is true output? which data is in it?
10:02:26 <user85> But you cannot mitigate against the problem that the remote node knows when you are spending  - if user is connected to tor exit node and remains connected after how is it useful to know when?
10:06:51 <user> not sure how timing of spent is dangerous
10:30:41 <user85> if a spents unknown amount and b is not known how is time important
10:30:52 <user85> b is a recipient
10:37:09 <user85> i understand yes more full nodes the better
10:37:16 <user85> however sometimes people will use remote nodes - esp when they just start and sync takes time
10:40:14 <minth> I ran out of disk space when trying to sync the ETH blockchain, that bad boy is 1 TB now
10:40:52 <moneromooo> Try removing the failed chain, and sync the monero chain instead, it's ~140 GB (or 45 GB pruned).
10:41:14 <user85> he said eth
10:41:28 <user85> lol
10:41:49 <user85> moneromooo: https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/338.pdf are those concerns addressed fully by now?
10:51:53 <moneromooo> Never. There's always some leaked information.
10:55:46 <moneromooo> They mention "zero mixins", which have been pretty much forbidden for years, so the impact of that is essentially zero nowadays.
10:56:03 <moneromooo> So that particular traceability issue is long gone.
10:56:17 <moneromooo> But attacks only get better.
10:56:44 <moneromooo> So there's always more that can be obtained from whatever info is on the chain.
10:57:12 <moneromooo> Not a very useful answer I guess but hey.
11:00:24 <user85> moneromooo: is there some diagram of monero and threats?
11:00:30 <user85> to make it easier to visualise
11:01:02 <moneromooo> Not that I know of.
11:01:15 <user85> maybe i can make one later on
11:01:17 <user85> would that be useful?
11:01:27 <moneromooo> Maybe. I'm not sure what you have in mind.
11:02:06 <user85> i will provide more details later on as I need to get pizza soon
11:02:08 <user85> :)
11:02:11 <user85> or something
11:15:49 <user85> trying proxychains + monero cli wallet :)
11:19:23 <user85> wallet failed to connect to daemon ...
11:29:17 <ternee> Proxychains works well on Kodachi cos it's all set up ready and uses a built in VPN that allows connection user85 
11:38:05 <user85> torsocks work fine too
11:38:17 <user85> can set proxy ip there to a tor browser
11:38:31 <user85> plus auto new circuit per process
11:51:22 <user85> got connected to malicious node was trying to force something lol
11:51:23 <user85> haha
12:00:04 <user85> why remote daemon refresh takes ages?
12:00:06 <user85> rest is clear
12:00:20 <selsta> over tor?
12:01:17 <user85> yes
12:02:38 <user85> it works faster on some nodes
12:03:08 <selsta> tor itself slows down sync a lot
12:03:26 <selsta> quite sure it should be faster if you connect to .onion remote nodes directly instead of using exit nodes
12:03:49 <user85> Refreshing" means telling the wallet to check the blockchain to see if any transactions were sent or received in any blocks added to the chain since it last looked
12:04:03 <user85> only few blocks passed since full refresh should be fast
12:05:19 <user85> also came across misconfigured daemon? it asked me if I want to set it to mine in background lol
12:05:52 <user85> monero mining is gpu only or asics too?
12:06:23 <user85> i have also tried some onion nodes same - slow speed -  maybe overloaded
12:06:32 <user85> will leave it on for 10 min or so
12:08:36 <zoom0ut> can mine with a gpu but it is very inefficient 
12:09:02 <zoom0ut> the current asic is... a cpu
12:10:53 <user85> cpu? ehh
12:11:25 <user85> refresh is still stuck lol
12:14:58 <user85> when i try transfer libunbound error: can't create socket: Operation not permitted
12:15:00 <user85> why
12:16:32 <selsta> are you using torsocks?
12:16:37 <user85> yep
12:16:42 <selsta> why not use --proxy v
12:16:43 <selsta> ?
12:16:51 <user85> why use it
12:16:59 <user85> i know how torsocks work
12:17:02 <user85> hmm
12:17:11 <user85> is issue torsocks related?
12:17:26 <selsta> try it out
12:17:34 <user85> !!!
12:17:45 <user85> torsocks also sexy cause socks lol
12:18:10 <user85> ok i can try proxy v
12:18:35 <selsta> --proxy 127.0.0.1:9050 or whatever you have set
12:18:56 <selsta> also add --no-dns
12:19:14 <user85> i did change torrc too to prevent dns leaks
12:19:26 <user85> and run tcpdump just in case to see if anything leaks :)
12:19:37 <user85> ok will try
12:26:14 <user85> selsta: why does unbound bitch when torsocks are used?
12:27:18 <selsta> does it also complain when you use --no-dns ?
12:27:45 <user85> i am now trying --proxy etc etc
12:27:50 <user85> will update
12:28:06 <user85> wallet failed to connect to daemon
12:28:09 <user85> haha
12:29:21 <selsta> did you pass the correct IP? --proxy definitely works
12:29:35 <selsta> it can also be 9051
12:29:57 <user85> i did pass correct ip
12:30:06 <user85> ok retrying
12:31:37 <user85> yes perhaps it was wrong proxy ip
12:37:06 <user85> however wait how did it connect then
12:37:11 <user85> if port was wrong...
12:49:53 <user85> ok nearly there lol
12:51:18 <user85> might mine it a bit too
12:51:21 <user85> for fun
12:57:12 <user85> selsta: it worked
12:57:26 <user85> wonder why it complains when proxysocks are used
13:07:33 <gingeropolous> yeah its dead. the vps running moneroworld died and i can't bring myself to just nuke the server
13:08:00 <user85> gingeropolous: is that your server?
13:08:14 <user85> just get another vps
13:08:29 <user85> and provide search for up and running monero nodes lol
13:10:19 <gingeropolous> checkout monero.fail
13:10:29 <gingeropolous> yah know what ima just redirect to monero.fail for now
13:10:50 <gingeropolous> shoulda prolly check with whatsisname
13:12:17 <gingeropolous> im still convinced i can rescue the server
13:30:04 <hyc> don't have any backup?
13:36:23 <gingeropolous> kinda. i mostly have what i need, but im a weird data packrat. 
13:46:04 <gingeropolous> i can access some rescue mode through VNC but i can't seem to get networking to work. 
13:46:17 <gingeropolous> a weird use case for data transfer via QR code flashes
13:52:50 <hyc> the vps was running windows?
13:58:02 <gingeropolous> no, the vps provider has a rescue mode "A small appliance created and attached to the virtual server can be accessed over the network" , and when this launches im able to access it via VNC that the vps provider offers
13:58:26 <gingeropolous> i modded grub via that route and actually got the vps to boot, but i haven't been able to reproduce
13:58:54 <dsc_> `dd` the disk, base64 it, then cat it to stdout and use OBS to record a video and then do OCR on it
14:00:03 <gingeropolous> :)
14:20:45 <sech1> VNC doesn't have file transfer feature?
14:50:17 <gingeropolous> for 2$ a month im happy the dude managed to get the vm even accessible
14:51:37 <user85> lol
14:52:17 <gingeropolous> i mean its ubuntu 14 
14:53:38 <user85> https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2020/03/17/tor-browser-fixes-bug-that-allows-javascript-to-run-when-disabled/
16:46:37 <haxx0r> re
16:46:55 <M5M400> jeebus
16:47:07 <M5M400> now jump to monero-pools
16:47:16 <M5M400> where the party at
18:57:01 <MexicanTakeout96> user85: 🤔 blueberry dumpling sounds like a dessert
19:16:12 <as2333> somehow I missed this hilarious fact 
19:16:14 <as2333> https://insidedefense.com/insider/schmidt-departs-chairman-defense-innovation-board
20:59:16 <Mochi101> as2333, hey man... where have you been? I haven't seen you in -pools for ages.
21:02:33 <Borley> Is anyone familiar with running monerod for full nodes?
21:02:54 <selsta> what is your question?
21:13:31 <as2333> hey Mochi101
21:13:54 <Mochi101> How're you doing as2333 ?
21:15:30 <as2333> fine, and you?
21:19:01 <Mochi101> I'm pretty good as2333 
21:19:45 <Mochi101> I keep reading that your country is having some economic challenges as2333, is this true?
21:20:15 <as2333> Mochi101 well inflation is more out of control than usual
21:20:59 <as2333> Mochi101 and the peso/dollar exchange rate 50% down in a week or so. If we're lucky the govt will fall =)
22:09:29 <user85> :)
22:14:28 <Mochi101> Well as2333, I've been hoping your government would fail since the first time we met. :)
22:15:11 <user85> lets fail it
22:15:15 <user85> which country?
22:15:45 <Mochi101> I don't want to doxx him user85 
22:16:03 <MexicanTakeout96> Is that goverment Argentine ? I dont know much about your country but hope she will do well soon.
22:16:46 <Mochi101> Are you in Mexico MexicanTakeout96 ?
22:16:58 <as2333> user85 argentina
22:17:13 <MexicanTakeout96> No I just like mexican foods :))
22:18:02 <Mochi101> MexicanTakeout96, you mean like Pozole or Mole or tacos de lengua?
22:18:13 <Mochi101> or Huitlacoche?
22:19:56 <Mochi101> Elote en vaso? Pepihuates?
22:20:42 <Mochi101> Do you have a bottle of Tajin in your pocket?
22:20:46 <MexicanTakeout96> That's a lot of things I havent tried haha
22:20:59 <MexicanTakeout96> I like tamales and rancheros
22:21:35 <Mochi101> tamales are nice
22:21:46 <user85> some lizards?
22:21:56 <Mochi101> Not sure what you're referring to with "rancheros" though.
22:22:23 <uncle_rae> huevos rancheros
22:22:32 <as2333> Mochi101 yeah, I don't have any special love for them either. Or for any other govt for that matter. 
22:23:20 <Mochi101> huevos rancheros are good
22:24:26 <Mochi101> You can't get pozole where ou are MexicanTakeout96 ?
22:26:24 <MexicanTakeout96> I dont think I see it yet, but I will try it for sure looks delishous
22:27:56 <Mochi101> Pepihuates you can just make yourself... maybe... if you can get little balls of tamarind.
22:45:45 <user85> i saw interesting article about fingerprinting today
22:45:59 <user85> browser os and hardware fingerprinting combined
23:25:07 <as2333> user85 yes very important to stop 'terrorism' and 'child porn'
23:25:20 <as2333> oh and antivaxxers too
23:39:51 <user85> not sure which country is that
23:39:58 <user85> care to clarify
23:41:17 <as2333> user85 are you asking me?
23:42:40 <user85> argentina
23:42:41 <user85> o well
23:45:30 <as2333> yeah argentina is argentina, not sure how I can further clarify =P