12:10:38 <Guest75> Which is best private way to first time buy monero or send monero into wallet compiled by source code
12:10:38 <Guest75>  Or exchange your country money into monero and send it to wallet
12:14:40 <flyastara> Localmonero or Bisq?
12:15:03 <Guest75> Is it safe and give privacy
12:15:15 <Guest75> Or demand any time of kyc type thing
12:16:41 <flyastara> Bisq doesn't require any kyc but it trades in BTC. So you will need to get BTC for the trade collateral and another BTC for XMR.
12:16:53 <flyastara> I haven't tried localmonero yet.
12:17:04 <flyastara> But I don't think they ask for any KYC too.
12:17:53 <Guest75> Yes but i don't want to trade futures i want xmr in my wallet, will it provide that feature
12:19:50 <flyastara> What. Bisq and Localmonero is just an exchange.
12:19:57 <flyastara> They don't offer any futures and options.
12:20:57 <Guest75> Okay thanks a lot
12:21:06 <flyastara> If you want a fiat -> XMR exchange, you should check out localmonero.
12:21:07 <Guest75> I was just confused a Lil bit
12:21:10 <Guest75> Nothing else
12:21:24 <Guest75> Yes i am also deciding of local monero
12:21:36 <flyastara> But the availability of traders might depend on where you are and the currency you are trading it for.
12:21:46 <Guest75> Thanks a lot
12:21:50 <flyastara> Np.
12:22:06 <Guest75> I will try to manage it or will ask for solution if any problem occurs.
12:27:04 <Guest75> But actually there is country issue and sellers are selling a huge bundle i wanted to spend less and they are demanding and selling too many coins.
12:28:32 <Guest75> That's too confusing there
12:28:41 <Guest75> Is here anyone from india
12:29:05 <Guest75> Want to sell xmr to me
12:32:30 <flyastara> That's the price of going non-kyc.
12:32:56 <flyastara> Coins are often 2-5% more expensive than the usual kyc options.
12:33:58 <Guest75> So wht i do now
12:34:09 <Guest75> Okay give me kyc one's option
12:34:18 <flyastara> Try to find the best deal that you can, but don't expect to get the best prices.
12:35:02 <Guest75> As first time i only wanted to buy 0.0625 XMR spending only 800 Rs.
12:35:15 <Guest75> From where I try to find tell me the platform
12:35:15 <flyastara> Try cakewallet in android, they have a built-in exchange there. I don't know if they have kyc though.
12:35:24 <Guest75> Okay
12:35:49 <flyastara> Non-kyc will always be expensive since you pay for the premium of not having your information leak.
12:37:27 <Guest75> Is it safe menas other than kyc everything is okay.
12:38:25 <Guest75> Cake wallet have one monero.com monero only wallet i think i should try it
12:38:47 <flyastara> I don't know. I haven't tried it.
12:39:02 <flyastara> I use Bisq for trading and I eat the premium price for non-kyc.
12:43:08 <Guest75> How is bisw and your experience with it
12:43:37 <flyastara> It takes a bit of work to get started but it's better since it's completely decentralized.
12:43:58 <Guest75> Should i
12:44:26 <flyastara> You need btc to get started since trades there require a collateral.
12:44:55 <flyastara> So you will need to find a way to get non-kyc bitcoin too.
12:45:15 <Guest75> Oh it's too much i should try cakewallet otherwise I have to jump between coins
12:45:31 <flyastara> Yeah. That or localmonero.
12:45:36 <Guest75> Don't it accept monero
12:46:08 <flyastara> I think they only deal with bitcoin for trade collateral.
12:47:11 <Guest75> Okay i should see cake
12:51:18 <Guest75> The best part is there is no option for country money in cake
12:53:11 <Guest75> And cake is no open market you have to put sender address
12:55:19 <Guest75> Isn't there any way to get monero but not more than 10$
12:55:37 <flyastara> Sell stuff for monero?
12:55:47 <Guest75> Wht
12:56:39 <flyastara> I think you should really look into localmonero.
12:57:12 <Guest75> But it too much
12:57:32 <Guest75> Why for no reason i pay 160$
12:57:59 <dsc_> that is the current market price though
12:59:11 <Guest75> Ya they are selling 1 full monero
12:59:33 <Guest75> I found a site named valuta ex
12:59:53 <Guest75> Is provid to trade in as less as one want
12:59:56 <Guest75> Is it safe
13:03:23 <dsc_> I think you don't understand, on a market you can buy less than $160, for example you can buy 0.5 XMR for 80 dollars ;)
13:04:20 <dsc_> or 0.1 XMR for 16 dollars, etc.
13:04:31 <Guest75> Yes i understand but there are no sellers to sell so wht i do
13:04:55 <dsc_> there are exchanges where there are sellers
13:05:03 <Guest75> Can you tell valuta ex safe
13:05:08 <dsc_> i prefer Kraken
13:05:28 <flyastara> Guest75: I would only recommend Localmonero and Bisq.
13:08:00 <Guest75> dsc_: so at kraken monero is exchanged are sellers can sell at 10$ too
13:08:06 <dsc_> yes
13:08:25 <dsc_> i can also recommend https://tradeogre.com/
13:08:44 <dsc_> it is safe™®
13:10:19 <Guest75> Tradeorge its only giving btc to xmr option no other than that
13:10:56 <dsc_> yes this is true
13:11:14 <Guest75> So you are thinking i have buyed btc
13:11:19 <dsc_> yes
13:11:34 <dsc_> but you have Rs? :P
13:11:41 <Guest75> If i had would not have been roaming here to ask for a option
13:12:14 <dsc_> if you have Rs maybe localmonero is the best option
13:12:14 <Guest75> dsc_: is there any other joke so tell it now
13:12:27 <dsc_> excuse me?
13:12:32 <Guest75> But it not giving option to do
13:12:45 <Guest75> I was not saying angrily i was joking
13:13:08 <dsc_> localmonero doesnt have Rs option?
13:13:25 <Guest75> Yes atleast i can't see
13:13:45 <Guest75> Oh sorry localmonero
13:13:52 <Guest75> Yes yes it has the option
13:14:11 <Guest75> But you know the price i have to pay 160$ for no reason
13:14:46 <Guest75> I could spend that where somewhere else atleast i could eat something tasty,
13:15:19 <Guest75> In that much i could buy a mobile phone
13:16:33 <flyastara> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it is possible to post a "Buy" order in localmonero.
13:17:14 <flyastara> You can do that and people who want to sell their monero at your price point can offer to sell their monero to you.
13:17:32 <Guest75> Really which type of change it will create
13:17:45 <Guest75> Ohk i am going to try that
13:17:50 <flyastara> Well, you have control in the price.
13:18:03 <flyastara> But don't expect anyone to immediately jump on your Buy offer.
13:18:12 <Guest75> But if no sellers came than wht will i do
13:18:22 <flyastara> Since, as I said, non-kyc options really do fetch a premium.
13:18:31 <Guest75> So i have to wait for how many days
13:18:39 <Guest75> For sellers to see me
13:18:44 <flyastara> Idk man. But that's an option you can do.
13:18:52 <Guest75> 😭
13:19:03 <Guest75> Okay i will try it
13:19:17 <flyastara> I honestly would just take the 2-5% premium.
13:19:46 <Guest75> Or should I first but Bitcoin i think i can easily get as more people have Bitcoin and than exchange that Bitcoin to monero in cake wallet
13:19:51 <Guest75> How's the idea
13:20:16 <flyastara> Maybe. It's on you.
13:20:37 <flyastara> But if you're aiming to get XMR, why bother switching coins.
13:20:56 <flyastara> If you're also holding BTC, then I guess that's an option.
13:21:32 <Guest75> Who said i am holding Bitcoin
13:21:52 <flyastara> Idk, haha.
13:24:40 <Guest75> Thanks a lot you both
13:25:12 <Guest75> I have people to chat i don't think I need anyone else monero community is so active
13:25:27 <Guest75> So i decided to buy btc than exchange btc to monero
13:37:37 <dsc_> Guest52: warning: bitcoin has large transaction fees, it might impact your $10
13:52:28 <flyastara> dsc_: That's what I was alluding to, haha. The fees will kill his $10.
13:52:44 <dsc_> yeah..
14:03:24 <Awaru> hi
14:03:49 <Awaru> if i choose the lowest possible fee for the monero tx will the transaction arrive in 24h?
14:03:53 <Awaru> or can it be that it takes longer then?
14:05:56 <zoom0ut> Awaru: with the lowest fee it should still be in the next block
14:06:46 <zoom0ut> You might have to wait a block if very busy but block times average 2 minutes 
14:06:50 <hyc> ^ currently, because blocks aren't full. if things were a lot more busy it might delay a block or more
14:09:24 <Awaru> oh alright
14:09:24 <Awaru> thx
14:31:36 <selsta> hyc: this person keeps getting different db errors while having db-sync-mode=safe, could this be caused by an unstable system? https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/8473
15:08:18 <hyc> hard to say. ssd is actually ok huh
15:23:56 <hyc> could be unstable, yes, weak power supply tends to do that
15:25:24 <rbrunner> Now that's a surprise: https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/wb7a9s/minerxmr_is_shutting_down_august_12th_and/
15:34:27 <zoom0ut> w0w
16:01:11 <Guest35> How are you all?