08:40:07 <binaryFate> "Be excellent to each other and welcoming to newcomers"
10:23:56 <rbrunner> https://www.fiod.nl/arrest-of-suspected-developer-of-tornado-cash/
10:24:11 <vdo> I was about to share this, wtf?
10:24:29 <rbrunner> So I was 5 seconds faster :)
10:24:41 <rbrunner> All the flowers for me
10:25:44 <vdo> "concealing criminal financial flows and facilitating money laundering" doesn't sound like development to me
10:48:48 <rbrunner> Yeah, it's a bit strange, only the title mentions that he should be a dev, in the text itself it's not mentioned or detailed further
10:49:39 <rbrunner> I also wonder why out of all possible people the very first detention worldwide in connection with Tornado Cash should be a dev
11:24:42 <vdo> because... russians ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
12:01:28 <fluffypony> the headline could be misleading or incorrect
12:01:38 <fluffypony> but also this is about him (allegedly knowingly) profiting from criminal activity
12:02:05 <fluffypony> Monero doesn't have that problem - I guess you could argue that miners are profiting, but miners have been given explicit protections in some countries
12:04:49 <gingeropolous> is this txpool gonna clear in < 72 hrs?
12:05:30 <gingeropolous> oh yeah
12:05:35 <gingeropolous> it will
12:08:51 <gingeropolous> 10 MB txpool! we're one of the cool kids now
12:11:56 <garth> Wooo baby look at those full blocks
12:12:44 <garth> Let's see that beautiful dynamic blocksize in action
12:13:23 <garth> To be honest I haven't seen the blocksize expand once since we instituted Bulletproofs and cut tx size by 90%
12:14:28 <garth> I wonder if this tx glut is related to the hardfork somehow, like it's all MineXMR folks withdrawing funds
12:15:27 <garth> gingeropolous Is 72 hours the window for the limit to increase beyond 300k?
12:25:19 <garth> 16MB and growing
12:35:42 <nioc> 3 blocks 2687876, 7 and 8 were not even close to full 
12:35:45 <nioc> hmmm
12:45:22 <dEBRUYNE> garth: Could be an exchange resuming withdrawals I suppose
12:45:27 <dEBRUYNE> or MineXMR making final payout
12:48:33 <sech1> It's minexmr
12:48:48 <sech1> "<xnbya> quite a few of the recent TXs have been minexmr payouts btw"
12:51:36 <garth> Kind of fascinating to watch the biggest pool in Monero have a final payout tx batch
12:51:56 <garth> Gives you a small window into the mining world as a whole
12:55:24 <garth> How many blocks does the mempool need to stay full before the max size increases?
12:57:33 <sech1> it already increased
12:57:58 <garth> I'm still seeing 300kb blocks
12:58:01 <selsta> there are definitely still performance issues when the mempool is that full
12:58:04 <sech1> Median block size limit: 294.93 kB
12:58:07 <sech1> 302000 bytes
12:58:08 <selsta> starting the daemon took 40s for me
12:58:13 <sech1> usually it's sitting at 300000 bytes
12:59:53 <sech1> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/ffe044ab/
12:59:57 <sech1> 302042 bytes right now
13:53:34 <gingeropolous> the size won't move much if no one is paying the premium
14:00:46 <garth> A number is blocks over 300k now, one 307k one 308k
14:00:59 <garth> Kind of fun to watch :D
14:05:04 <garth> gingeropolous love the new mobile site for xmrchain but still wish links were at least a slightly lighter color like gray so that I can see what a link is and what non-link text is
14:05:22 <merope> gingeropolous they are though, look at the fee/kb. Some big txes in the mempool are paying quite the premium for priority
14:08:12 <gingeropolous> new mobile site?
14:32:49 <garth> Yeah it seems it's fitting in my mobile phone screen differently
14:33:10 <garth> But maybe that was not an intentional change
14:34:02 <garth> Usually it's quite zoomed out and if I want to see something like the hash rate then I have to pinch to zoom
14:45:14 <garth> Oh! I realize what happened. I forgot I increased the text size in my mobile browser.
15:25:09 <hyc> backlog seems to be clearing up
15:25:43 <hyc> hmm, or not. was down to 322txs, now back up to 1410
15:27:19 <hyc> and the oldest ones are just getting older, must not have high enough fee
18:53:53 <wyre> do you recommend me some wiki page for monero? 
18:55:17 <wyre> Mochi101, nothing in particular I was looking for something like bitcoin.it but for monero 🤔
18:56:45 <moneromooo> I don't think there's anything that's directly editable. There was a wiki on github, but it predictably got abused.
18:57:31 <Mochi101> Not sure anything like that exists for Monero. You can find a lot of information on getmonero.org under the resources tab though.
19:01:35 <wyre> I see, thank you anyway =D
19:01:44 <hyc> or monero.stackexchange
19:01:49 <wyre> I'll give a check to getmonero.org
19:10:51 <wyre> it has monero the same scalability problem than bitcoin? 🤔
19:11:08 <wyre> d/it/
19:13:04 <moneromooo> Yes... and no.
19:13:24 <moneromooo> Its transactions are heavier to verify.
19:13:34 <moneromooo> Its PoW is much heavier to verify.
19:13:40 <moneromooo> Its block size is unlimited.
19:13:56 <moneromooo> Its miner subsidy never reaches zero.
19:15:13 <wyre> hmm, some people argues PoS is better than PoW 
19:15:21 <wyre> but not sure it this is true 🤔
19:15:35 <moneromooo> Because it does not use much energy.
19:15:36 <nssy2> PoS is centralization
19:15:55 <moneromooo> However, it has much worse pathological failure modes.
19:16:48 <wyre> nssy2, do you think so? I guess PoW is also susceptible to cause centralization
19:17:54 <wyre> moneromooo, do you recommend me some resource where these possible failures are described?  
19:18:07 <wyre> I'd like to read about the topic
19:18:21 <moneromooo> No, but such should be readily found with search terms "pow pos".
19:18:51 <moneromooo> Basically, if you can 51% the network once with PoS, you can 51% it forever.
19:20:00 <moneromooo> I'm not sure how that translates to a PoS/PoW hybrid though.
19:27:42 <merope> The main issue with PoS is that it incentivizes the rich to get richer - and if you're not staking all your new coins all the time, you are cutting yourself off
19:28:14 <merope> The onl way to "enter" the PoS system is if someone else sells you their coins, aka a share of their voting power
19:28:45 <merope> So coin owners effectively become the gatekeepers of the system
19:29:49 <merope> PoW is "immune" to that (assuming you're not dependant on asics): anyone with a functional cpu can start mining and earn some coin at any time
19:30:02 <merope> Not a lot maybe, but they can
19:31:29 <nioc> and exchanges stake the coins that they are holding in people's accounts and reap the reward themselves with no investment
19:41:52 <wyre> merope, so I guess that's the point of making PoW immune to asics, right? 
19:42:11 <wyre> I mean of using those specific algorithms 
19:43:27 <wyre> what do you think about Ethereum then? 
19:44:16 <moneromooo> Howl's Moving Castle. Without the cuteness.
19:45:01 <merope> Indeed: asic-resistance makes it harder to censor miners, because they are effectively indistinguishable from "regular" computer users
19:45:15 <merope> (Unless you run a mining farm in your basement)
19:46:36 <merope> Eth's memory-hard algo was a nice try - but as Cryptonight has proven as well, memory-hardness is only a partial solution
19:48:04 <merope> Their intent to switch to PoS is purely driven by market hype and buzzwords. The fact that the switch has been "just around the corner, no really" for over half a decade shows just how problematic PoS truly is, if you actually care about fairness and true decentralization
19:59:46 <Mochi101> lol https://minexmr2.com/
20:10:48 <nioc> wen fluffyponypool
22:23:39 <garth> Wen fork?
22:38:28 <nioc> The current block height is 2,688,260. Fork height is 2,688,888. 628 blocks to go, happening in approximately 20.93 hours
23:02:38 <Torr> Holly Monero, nioc is "coin" backwards.
23:03:08 <Torr> Never noticed it 'til now.
23:03:53 <great_taste> shocking
23:04:44 <nioc> it usually takes a while b4 that is noticed 
23:05:39 <great_taste> your secret has been exposed
23:05:53 <nioc> doxxed 0_o
23:44:36 <Mochi101> Torr, it took me 23 years hanging out here every day to realize that.
23:55:21 <Steven_M> Hi All, are the fees going up or down after the new fork?
23:57:49 <selsta> hi, fees are going up