00:44:28 <Torr> Which <miniupnpc> files does Monero need to compile? Headers? Shared objects? All of them?
00:47:04 <selsta> all likely, it is not a header only lib
00:47:07 <selsta> we link against it
00:53:49 <Torr> Does it has to be vendored?
00:54:49 <Torr> I have the pkg installed, it's detected by Cmake, but errors on build.
00:56:30 <Torr> http://ix.io/47J9
00:59:15 <selsta> Torr: try this diff https://termbin.com/cixh
01:04:21 <Torr> Lol, loved that patch.
01:05:54 <selsta> did it work?
01:07:29 <Torr> No, but it's a different error now. I think I can tackle this one.
01:07:33 <Torr> Thank you
01:08:02 <selsta> I think you also have to do replace MiniUPnPc with Miniupnpc on cmake/FindMiniupnpc.cmake:39
01:08:39 <Catcream> yes! work on unbundling the deps would be great. But for crypto in general I guess it's important for everyone to have the exact same 
01:20:15 <selsta> Torr: will have a patch that makes it compatible with installed miniupnpc and vendored
01:20:19 <selsta> the current code is broken
01:21:26 <Torr> Nice
01:27:51 <selsta> so it seems we used vendored because miniupnpc had a vulnerability https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/3668
01:28:09 <selsta> but that was 4 years ago and they have since released a version to fix it
01:32:33 <Torr> > There's no legitimate reason (that I can think of) to continue to depend on a system's miniupnp.
01:32:58 <Torr> Not like it's gotta be either one or the other, that's what build flags are for.
01:34:49 <selsta> https://github.com/selsta/monero/commit/7ce309b42156a7343a545fa91dd21539b8b90ee7
01:35:06 <selsta> this should work, just have to make sure it does not mess anything up with static builds
01:48:25 <Torr> Will test here too.
01:48:43 <Torr> Leaving now, see ya
08:32:49 <Steven_M> Hi All, are trading requests allowed in here, since #monero-otc is basically a dead channel?
09:15:37 <nssy> Is there a list of official monero public nodes?
09:17:21 <sech1> there's no "official" nodes
09:18:49 <sech1> except maybe for the seed nodes
09:19:14 <sech1> but you can't connect your wallet to them
09:20:10 <nssy> Ok.
09:21:47 <nssy> Suggest a public node (even for a pool), Just want someone to confirm that funds were sent to them.
09:21:50 <Inge> there are however some "well-known" public nodes.
09:21:58 <Inge> node.supportxmr.com maybe?
09:21:59 <nssy> Before their wallet syncs
09:22:18 <nssy> Ok
09:22:19 <Inge> also monerujo finds some public nodes AFAIK
09:22:26 <Inge> and cake wallet uses Cake's nodes
09:22:31 <Inge> unless you reconfigure it
09:22:36 <Inge> IIRC
09:23:46 <nssy> Some cool dashboard they got there: node.supportxmr.com
11:51:41 <bibideJaffa> quick question. In the event the US govt would sanction Monero and force Github to take down the Monero accounts, would the source code be available from independently controlled sources?
11:58:32 <sech1> quick answer. yes.
12:01:34 <bibideJaffa> thanks :)
12:03:36 <bibideJaffa> another quick question .. a while back an ip block list was distributed to use with a monero node. Is this still useful and is this list kept up to date somewhere?
12:04:41 <sech1> --enable-dns-blocklist command line parameter
12:05:45 <bibideJaffa> oké,  so you don't have to maintain the text file separately anymore?
12:06:10 <sech1> no, it's downloaded from Monero DNS servers
12:06:18 <sech1> it's not really needed right now
12:06:41 <bibideJaffa> sweet
15:22:43 <xvt> hey
15:23:00 <moneromooo> hi
15:23:03 <xvt> first time using IRC ay :D
15:23:33 <xvt> what's your take on the new monero update?
15:24:17 <moneromooo> It is... needed... new... and available on getmonero.org.
15:25:26 <Guest74> Hey guys. I did send some eth to my xmr wallet through sideshift. Funds are processed on the blockchain (100+ confirmations) but ain't showing in my wallet. Don't know what to do at this point
15:26:10 <moneromooo> You presumably received monero. Make sure your refresh-from-block-height is lower than the block height your tx got mined in.
15:26:21 <moneromooo> If it is not, then set it so, and rescan the chain.
15:26:38 <Guest74> I'm gonna find some info on how to do that. Thank you
15:27:05 <moneromooo> If monero-wallet-cli: set refresh-from-block-height N
15:27:20 <moneromooo> < woodser[m]> monero-wallet-gui > settings > info > Wallet restore height
15:31:07 <Guest74> My xmr is indeed there. Thank you for your help
15:32:02 <moneromooo> Cool :)
15:53:24 <user> Looking for some direction. I had a working multisig wallet prior to the recent hardfork (monero-v0.18.x) now my wallet says "This wallet is multisig, but not yet finalized" Any direction for solving this would be appreciated.
15:54:41 <moneromooo> The person who knows about recent multisig changes isn't around, I'll ping them, stay around for a while.
15:55:41 <user> ok. Thank you!
16:03:53 <Mochi101> 92k blocks left to sync on the patched version selsta 
16:04:05 <Mochi101> 24.5 hours in
16:04:23 <nioc> _drumroll_
16:05:03 <Mochi101> Says 2.6 hours left... but man... not sure I believe that.
16:11:19 <moneromooo> If tippero were here, we could open a book for this...
16:16:14 <hyc> lol. how many hours was it last time?
16:16:40 <moneromooo> Wait, let me multiply by 24...
16:35:02 <Mochi101> 38 hours 16 mins hyc 
16:55:51 <rbrunner> There was a post on Reddit 6 hours ago that the domain moneroaddress.org is expired. I checked, it is. Did Luigi1111w own that, or moneromooo?
16:57:42 <moneromooo> It is saddam's site.
16:57:57 <rbrunner> With so many links pointing to that as a trustworthy cold wallet generator that's a bit unfortunate, I think
16:58:18 <rbrunner> saddam? Before my time, pre-2017?
16:58:45 <moneromooo> Possibly... Probably...
16:59:54 <moneromooo> If someone from the core team wants to register it, I can send them some monero for it. I won't myself, due to privacy.
17:00:22 <moneromooo> Unless saddam's around on a relay.
17:02:01 <Mochi101> https://njal.la/list/?search=moneroaddress.org
17:02:04 <rbrunner> Sigh ... it's already gone, or at least not freely available anymore
17:02:09 <Mochi101> 15 Euros
17:02:39 <selsta> that's transferring
17:03:03 <rbrunner> Namecheap tells me I can make an offer starting with USD 199 and hope for the best.
17:03:47 <moneromooo> Scammers...
17:03:57 <moneromooo> Probably.
17:04:05 <moneromooo> Maybe cake ?
17:04:13 <rbrunner> Updates July 28
17:04:17 <Mochi101> transferrable because njal.la has control over the domain... no?
17:05:01 <rbrunner> Can't check, don't have an account there. Don't think so, you can't just transfer I would say ...
17:05:03 <selsta> why can you make offers at namecheap when njalla controls it? unless njalla uses it internally
17:05:23 <selsta> njalla uses namecheap internally
17:06:36 <moneromooo> It is an offer to whom ? Whoever bought it, or the registar ?
17:06:37 <rbrunner> Hey, moneroaddress.*com* is for sale, for a cheap USD 3,880
17:06:48 <moneromooo> If the latter, it's... dodgy.
17:06:49 <selsta> Mochi101: transfer just means I have an domain and want to transfer it to njalla
17:07:01 <selsta> a*
17:07:09 <Mochi101> To transfer moneroaddress.org you need the authorization code from the current registrar and 15 € in your wallet.
17:07:23 <Mochi101> Sounds like it's still in the gracer period.
17:07:27 <Mochi101> grace period
17:09:57 <Mochi101> Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2022-07-24T18:32:20
17:10:22 <Mochi101> I think the grace period is 1 month.
17:10:44 <rbrunner> selsta: Namecheap says it's not on sale per se, but I can try to make an offer nevertheless
17:11:15 <Mochi101> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/gtld-lifecycle-2012-02-25-en
17:13:23 <Mochi101> I would just keep an eye on it... grace period will expire soon.
17:13:48 <Mochi101> Get it before Cake does.
17:13:49 <Mochi101> :D
17:14:35 <rbrunner> Not sure what you mean. Have an eye how, with a chance for what?
17:15:02 <selsta> the fact that moneroaddress.com is a premium domain is such a scam
17:15:21 <selsta> why can registrars suddenly decide something is a premium domain and ask 5k for it
17:15:32 <Mochi101> When a domain expires the registrar (as per icann rules) has to give a grace period where the original owner can renew it.
17:15:39 <moneromooo> Because it's a protection racket.
17:15:42 <Mochi101> selsta, because they still own it
17:15:51 <selsta> Mochi101: I'm talking about .com
17:15:58 <endogenic> as president i promise to democratize control of domains
17:16:28 <rbrunner> So we have a chance if we manage to contact the owner, you think?
17:16:37 <Mochi101> selsta, don't you remember that some registrars used to front run their clients?
17:16:47 <moneromooo> It's a squatting business. They know they'll make bank from squatters, or from people trying to preempt squatters.
17:16:53 <Mochi101> register the domain and have ownership over it so that they could charge more
17:17:13 <Mochi101> so some of the premium .com domains are still owned by the registrars
17:17:23 <rbrunner> Yeah, yeah, but .com is pretty uninteresting. We should try to get .org back, because it has many links
17:17:28 <Mochi101> as they think that registering it on behalf of themselves 
17:17:37 <rbrunner> If somebody sets up a scam there that may become difficult
17:17:46 <Mochi101> could make them some money in the future
17:19:02 <Mochi101> I don't think most people these days even know the difference between .org .com and .net 
17:19:12 <moneromooo> If someone's still on freenode, could you chek if "saddam" is there ? Might not have migrated.
17:19:44 <rbrunner> The old forum has a user called "saddam": https://forum.getmonero.org/user/saddam
17:21:50 <rbrunner> Lol, Domaintools camel-cases the address as Mone Road Dress.
17:23:09 <selsta> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=53193
17:23:14 <selsta> last activity july 25 2022
17:23:41 <moneromooo> Oh, watering hole. I had an account there, lemme see if I can find it...
17:24:30 <rbrunner> Looks like a good find
17:27:04 <Mochi101> nice one selsta 
17:27:08 <rbrunner> If moneromooo does not find something, I have an account there
17:27:56 <rbrunner> But of course with next to zero standing.
17:28:32 <rbrunner> Except a registration date of July 30, 2017 ...
17:29:58 <rbrunner> Made an account there because I had problems syncing Boolberry :)
17:30:36 <moneromooo> OK, I give up after a dozen CAPTCHAs or so -_-
17:30:59 <moneromooo> You can tell them I can send monero for the registration btw.
17:31:22 <rbrunner> Alright
17:31:50 <moneromooo> I did find my old account data though. CK era. Whee...
17:34:07 <rbrunner> Ok, go ahead. You writing definitely looks better IMHO
17:34:35 <moneromooo> Oh, I did, but bct won't let me in due to neverending CAPTCHAs :D
17:34:44 <rbrunner> Ts ts ts
17:35:13 <rbrunner> You are treated like that as an enemy of the state, I am sure.
17:36:50 <moneromooo> ... Which state ?
17:37:42 <moneromooo> user: the person who made those changes pointed me to: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/8329#issuecomment-1216946632
17:38:00 <moneromooo> saying "this should work" :)
17:38:44 <moneromooo> If you cannot apply a patch and build, you'll have to wait 'm afraid, or recreate the wallet from the original wallets if you can.
17:41:38 <rbrunner> "User 'saddambitcoin' has not chosen to allow messages from newbies. You should post in their relevant thread to remind them to enable this setting."
17:41:44 <rbrunner> Har har
17:42:35 <nioc> saddambitcoin is saddam is OG
17:43:10 <nioc> my bct account was hacked long ago and after hacking was banned for spam  lol
17:43:35 <rbrunner> You mean I could try user "saddam" and "OG" as well?
17:43:45 <nioc> never tried to reciver cause <1% chance and never opened a new account 
17:43:59 <nioc> no
17:44:45 <nioc> saddam in the monero forum is saddambitcoin on bct and he is an old timer (OG)
17:45:09 <rbrunner> Alright
17:45:32 <nioc> is he on reddit?
17:45:32 <rbrunner> So what, I write 20 spam posts there now until I am not a newbie anymore? Jesus.
17:46:09 <nioc> hold on, I will try to get someone to message him 
17:47:05 <rbrunner> Doesn't look like they are on Reddit
17:48:41 <rbrunner> I know what. I will shill Monero everywhere on bct. Will give copious amounts of good karma.
17:49:45 <rbrunner> nioc: Maybe an idea to link to our discussion here: https://libera.monerologs.net/monero/20220816#c136754
17:49:53 <rbrunner> In the post to them I mean
17:50:43 <nioc> thx
17:52:24 <nioc> working on it
17:52:46 <rbrunner> Splendid.
17:55:39 <nioc> message sent
17:57:12 <moneromooo> lol, I just got the end of the CAPTCHAs :D
17:57:30 <moneromooo> (I'd just started again a few minutes ago, not since I complained above)
17:57:47 <rbrunner> You against the machine, eh?
17:57:48 <moneromooo> Thanks nioc.
17:57:52 <nioc> confirmed:  mooo is not a bot
17:57:59 <nioc> yw  :)
19:47:52 <nioc> Mochi101: how is sync?
19:48:09 <nioc> estimate was 1 hr ago  :D
20:07:31 <Mochi101> nioc, 44k blocks left... says 1.4 hours
20:07:56 <nioc> soon™
20:08:20 <Mochi101> I don't trust the estimate.
20:08:43 <Mochi101> Probably another 16 hours. ;)
20:09:09 <selsta> The last blocks don't have checkpoints so they take significantly longer. The estimate does not take that into account.
20:13:22 <Mochi101> Shouldn't it maybe do some math like (last 10000 blocks sync time)*(blocks left to sync)?
20:15:32 <moneromooo> Just multiply the estimate by two and switch to the next higher unit.
20:18:39 <Mochi101> :)
21:09:09 <user> moneromoo, any response from the individual knowledgeable on the multisig?
21:10:16 <user> regarding my prior message:  Looking for some direction. I had a working multisig wallet prior to the recent hardfork (monero-v0.18.x) now my wallet says "This wallet is multisig, but not yet finalized" Any direction for solving this would be appreciated.
21:10:31 <moneromooo> Just what I said above with the link.
21:10:52 <user> Oh, I didn't see the link.
21:11:00 <moneromooo> < moneromooo> user: the person who made those changes pointed me to: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/8329#issuecomment-1216946632
21:11:03 <moneromooo> < moneromooo> saying "this should work" :) 
21:11:05 <moneromooo> < moneromooo> If you cannot apply a patch and build, you'll have to wait 'm afraid, or recreate the wallet from the original wallets if you can.
21:13:34 <selsta> user: you can also get the binary from our CI: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/actions/runs/2869936989
21:14:02 <selsta> but this requires being logged into a github account
22:28:24 <Hawker> hey I'm starting my own node, and I've got one slight issue. While syncronizing, it uses up my whole HDD bandwidths
22:28:48 <Hawker> is that normal for mining in the future or is that just a temporary thing until it's syncronized?
22:29:50 <nioc> just for initial sync  
22:29:53 <nioc> using an HDD sucks 
22:30:07 <nioc> an SSD is like 10x faster
22:30:48 <Hawker> noic yeaaaaaaaaaaaa it's brutal
22:31:21 <nioc> and the more you sync the worse it gets  :)
22:31:54 <Hawker> yeah I'm getting more and more worried, this might take a week
22:32:03 <nioc> easily 
22:32:15 <Hawker> sigh
22:32:24 <Hawker> thanks for the help man
22:32:49 <nioc> np
22:34:11 <Mochi101> 26,600 blocks to go over here...
22:34:31 <Mochi101> 31 hours in
22:34:41 <Hawker> 1213020 blocks to go
22:35:40 <nioc> Hawker: Mochi101 is using an SSD and not a great one 
22:36:41 <Hawker> nioc, this is the only time I've gone "huh maybe there's something to this ssd hype"
22:37:31 <nioc> I think it is the random writes that makes the biggest difference
22:38:21 <nioc> SSDs are relatively cheap now
22:38:28 <Hawker> it is but I don't do many of those
22:39:20 <nioc> syncing is very heavy with them
22:42:04 <Catcream> syncing to an ssd and then moving to hdd may be a good idea? 
22:42:13 <Catcream> if you have the storage space ofc 
22:43:04 <Hawker> I don't have an SSD at all
22:43:19 <Catcream> aha 
22:44:29 <Catcream> are there some monero snapshot tarballs to download or is that a bad idea? 
22:44:32 <Mochi101> If you trust someone they could make their db and p2pstate.bin file available to you.
22:45:02 <Mochi101> Then you just have to plop it in and sync the last few blocks.
22:46:13 <Mochi101> I wonder if that'd be a good idea to have on getmonero.org...
22:46:47 <Mochi101> rather than just the raw blockchain.raw
22:46:53 <Catcream> ideally stuff should be trustless but having "quality fluffypony tarballs (TM)" somewhere could be quite useful for getting more nodes
22:47:02 <Catcream> (sorry for ping, whops)
22:47:18 <Mochi101> archive /bitmonero and make it available for DL
22:48:03 <Catcream> yeah exactly
22:48:24 <nioc> now I am wondering what type of cream Catcream is 
22:48:45 <Mochi101> How do you even milk a cat to get the cream?
22:49:31 <Catcream> take 1 liter of milk, 2 cats, a bit of vanilla sugar, a mixer, ............ oh no wait that's terrible ..
22:50:22 <nioc> I thought maybe it was a cream for cats