05:24:09 <Steven_M> Has anyone used this tool for swapping BTC to XMR?: https://github.com/UnstoppableSwap/unstoppableswap-gui/releases I'd like to know if it's safe, I can't find a GPG signature for the downloads.
05:42:29 <selsta> Steven_M: the software is CCS funded, but I have not used it myself
05:42:41 <selsta> atomic swaps are a bit experimental still
05:45:40 <Steven_M> selsta: CCS?
05:45:47 <selsta> ccs.getmonero.org
05:53:06 <Steven_M> selsta: Oh, okay. Thanks for the info. :)
07:10:47 <SerHack> Has anyone ever tried to perform some brutal tests with daemon? E.g. randomly kill it and see if db is corrupted
11:31:40 <hyc> you can never corrupt DB just by killing the daemon
11:33:36 <hyc> LMDB's crash-proof design has been tested by multiple university research teams...
11:33:54 <hyc> it can corrupt if the storage device fails
11:34:29 <hyc> in specific ways - which are impossible on current drives with 4KB physical sectors
11:37:11 <hyc> Windows has some failure modes of its own, if the OS crashes, but PR#8502 should fix that
17:10:02 <SerHack> hyc: interesting! I did not know about that 
17:22:16 <moneromooo> It's more like... you can not corrupt the DB, but you could make it inconsistent if there's a bug on the monero side.
17:22:38 <moneromooo> There are so many reports of fucked db on windows that I think there might be one of those.
17:23:09 <moneromooo> Unless windows really goes out of its way to mess with programs that use mass storage.
17:23:28 <SerHack> I see, thanks for the explanation 
17:24:19 <Mochi101> Probably Windows goes out of its way...
17:24:20 <moneromooo> If there's a SIGBUS or SIGSEGV in the DB reading code, it's lieky a LMDB bug.
17:25:00 <moneromooo> Well, I'm trying to be nice, since I'm massively biased against the dishonest fuckers :D
19:14:11 <hyc> lol
19:39:37 <pmarg> .xmr
19:39:37 <Wallet> pmarg: ≈$152.5605 • ≈ value of: 1 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
20:13:47 <h45eg465hr> Good evening
20:14:10 <h45eg465hr> When lambo?
20:14:39 <h45eg465hr> Just kidding, what suggestions can you do to support xmr?
20:15:27 <h45eg465hr> Is providing nodes better than mining? Or should i focus on the mining part?
20:15:36 <moneromooo> You mean, how can you help ? You can run a node to help grow the network size. Mine with p2pool to increase the network hash rate nad get a chance to grab some monero.
20:15:46 <h45eg465hr> Already doing both
20:15:52 <h45eg465hr> Which is better
20:16:17 <moneromooo> That's very good indeed. Mining with p2pool implies having a node (usually). So mining is better.
20:17:07 <h45eg465hr> Can you suggest a server provider for mining? My hardware is not a huge help (still doing it at night)
20:17:32 <moneromooo> No. You'll typically lose out (or the provider would mine themselves).
20:17:50 <h45eg465hr> I dont care about losing money.
20:18:20 <moneromooo> Then still no. Most cloud companies prohibit mining.
20:18:20 <h45eg465hr> KVM mining is mainly trashy so dedicated server would be best i guess.
20:18:50 <h45eg465hr> Anything else useful to do with money?
20:19:06 <h45eg465hr> Suggest good projects i did not yet donated too.
20:19:32 <h45eg465hr> (Im not rich just want to help)
20:20:08 <moneromooo> Well, there is haveno, a p2p trading software centered on monero.
20:20:16 <h45eg465hr> woke
20:20:34 <moneromooo> The only one that comes to mind right away.
20:20:35 <h45eg465hr> stopped developing gui while marketing is all.
20:20:46 <h45eg465hr> i did or did not already donated there
20:20:56 <h45eg465hr> the power of xmr
20:21:04 <moneromooo> I cannot confirm nor deny.
20:22:06 <dsc_> building third-party software around Monero is fun too
20:22:13 <dsc_> allegedly
20:22:25 * moneromooo looks hard to detect sarcasm
20:22:26 <h45eg465hr> Sadly i dont have currently much time
20:22:33 <SerHack> haha
20:22:40 <dsc_> :-P
20:23:40 <moneromooo> You can also play around with the software and file bugs when something is borked and isn't user error.
20:23:52 <moneromooo> Always useful, since people tend to test the same things.
20:24:15 <h45eg465hr> already did it :/
20:24:22 <h45eg465hr> im out of ideas
20:24:42 <moneromooo> Well, you're already well ahead of most people ^_^
20:25:02 <moneromooo> If you want to push more, you can always ask merchants who just tkae bitcoin if they'd consider monero.
20:25:07 <h45eg465hr> does not feel good. maybe just yeah
20:25:11 <moneromooo> Merchants you deal with I mean.
20:25:15 <h45eg465hr> wanted to mention that
20:25:17 <moneromooo> I'n not suggesting spam.
20:25:22 <dsc_> ah yeah that's a good one
20:25:35 <dsc_> i should do that more often
20:25:47 <h45eg465hr> here? or in real life? i already have shirts :D
20:26:17 <dsc_> people often have donation addresses on their blogs or whatever
20:26:21 <h45eg465hr> but stickers would be cool, but where can you put them legally?
20:26:47 <h45eg465hr> requested xmr on multiple foss projects (often with success)
20:26:59 <moneromooo> I mean if you buy stuff from Alice who only accepts bitcoin, you may want to ask if they'd consider monero. If not, buy with bitcoin and say you'll use someone else next time since they accept monero (if true) :)
20:27:38 <h45eg465hr> i guess state property shall be considered mine since im forced to pay taxes so i shall have a part of their property to advertise freedom?
20:27:57 <h45eg465hr> dont want to use private property
20:28:07 <h45eg465hr> (of other people)
20:28:24 <h45eg465hr> best would be legal
20:28:46 <h45eg465hr> anyone knows monero matteo?
20:29:01 <moneromooo> Some places are dedicated boards when you can put your own flyers/posters/etc.
20:29:04 <h45eg465hr> best windows chad out there :D
20:29:16 <moneromooo> s/are/have/
20:30:25 <h45eg465hr> okay i will look around in the area / web search for them. i guess making flyers and ask stores if they could have them laying there for people who are interested would be beneficial
20:31:42 <h45eg465hr> my kebab store around the block is not using the bank so he's avoiding taxes like a chad will ask him first xD
20:33:22 <h45eg465hr> inflation is killing small stores sad it came so far. my dad is sick of having his whole life payed every nickle he owed the state and gets ripped of like this
20:35:43 <h45eg465hr> any good takes on the tornado trash issue? i dont like monero being hosted on microsoft servers makes me sick. codeberg.org seems way superior since its using gitea and no third party crap beside email blacklists for avoiding spam account creation
20:41:52 <dsc_> i like https://sr.ht/
20:42:33 <h45eg465hr> also nice but a bit to lightweight for average users
20:43:42 <dsc_> hehe yeah
20:48:04 <h45eg465hr> https://github.com/sebgus/monero-meetup-kit-localization https://github.com/sebgus/Monero-flyer will look into them. i mean having easy to print out pdf flyers would be the best. may start a github repo with source of gimp files and the pdf's hope people will help translating. sadly all the repos i found are 5 years old. the power of qr codes
20:48:05 <h45eg465hr> should be used more often in these kind of material since people are lazy af
20:49:10 <h45eg465hr> these look nice: https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/sgp-monero-meetup-kit/wiki/flyers
20:49:14 <selsta> h45eg465hr: github has free CI which allows is to run tests on all commits and also compile on all possible platforms variations
20:49:24 <selsta> it is simply convenient
20:51:07 <moneromooo> Unfortunately, it's way too easy to forget it's microsoft lying in wait behind it with a shiv in hand.
20:51:42 <h45eg465hr> I don't blame the project for doing it but still it's a data mining company if you think its worth it than it shall stay there. I'm just worried regarding the users.
20:54:08 <h45eg465hr> https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/sgp-monero-meetup-kit/wiki/spanish-translations can anyone of you see the content for me its showing nothing... neither for russian nor german
20:55:37 <selsta> h45eg465hr: did you click at the bookmarks?
20:56:00 <h45eg465hr> no, what would it change for the translation sub page?
20:56:56 <h45eg465hr> sadly just the English flyer are displayed
20:57:26 <Mochi101> Das ist sehr traurig.
20:57:51 <Mochi101> La verdad, es muy triste.
20:58:29 <h45eg465hr> Si senior
20:59:01 * Mochi101 hands h45eg465hr an ñ.
21:00:14 <h45eg465hr> So you cant see them as well?
21:02:04 <h45eg465hr> siempre hay esperanza
21:06:24 <Mochi101> seems dead
21:07:45 <Torr> Mochi101: Who?
21:08:04 <Mochi101> Torr, that taiga thing.
21:08:47 <h45eg465hr> https://taiga.getmonero.org yeah i created an account still cant access nor duplicate the project. would be cool if this page would move to a gitea instance
21:10:15 <h45eg465hr> https://taiga.getmonero.org/media/attachments/c/2/5/b/2f592a49acfefbed0702ad854d275607b80b0a3c41623708f950f6766304/to-the-moon-project-monero.jpg the rocket look nicely made its often just the memes that gets people started to inform themself
21:10:49 <Torr> Hmmm, doesn't load without Js.
21:11:17 <h45eg465hr> yeah taiga looks kinda trashy even worse than sr.ht
21:11:46 <h45eg465hr> gitea works without js and allows forks etc. 2fa all you need with noob friendly ui
21:13:45 <Torr> h45eg465hr: Nice artwork indeed, reminds me of gnuteardrops's.
21:14:23 <h45eg465hr> is there a way to contact getmonero.org? i would like to pump the flyer and marketing of xmr since it seems the only thing I'm able to do right now
21:17:09 <h45eg465hr> https://www.themonera.art would be nice if we combine a marketing repo with all that stuff of posters, flyers with translation so it can be easily accessed and shared
21:17:35 <Torr> h45eg465hr: U might have interest in the #monero-community workgroup.
21:17:41 <Torr> They usually do that stuff.
21:22:48 <h45eg465hr> thanks for the suggestion. hope someone replies...