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11:35:51 <varbles> hey yall
11:36:03 <varbles> been a long time since I've been on irc
11:36:31 <varbles> i'm having a problem trying to set up a pruned monero node on my raspberry pi 4
11:37:54 <varbles> its syncing at a reasonable rate when saving on the root microsd card, but syncing extremely slow when saving to an external ssd
11:39:04 <varbles> like 30k blocks an hour sdcard vs 1k blocks an hour ssd
11:43:40 <varbles> i'm using a monerod docker image though, is that a mistake?
11:47:19 <grumblemobile> I doubt docker is involved in the performance degradation here, but there's a good way to find out for sure.
11:47:53 <grumblemobile> Raspberry pi is known for shitty I/O anyway.
11:48:59 <grumblemobile> You could try finding some I/O benchmarking tool, check what sd and ssd can do (iotop) then compare with what iotop says when syncing, see if it's wildly off.
11:49:13 <grumblemobile> monerod will random read back a lot.
11:49:29 <grumblemobile> You can also set the db settings, lemme go find a source...
11:50:25 <varbles> its definitely choking on the io somehow
11:51:05 <grumblemobile> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/8189#issuecomment-1074260008
11:51:06 <varbles> iostat says its usually doing less than 100 read and write/s when syncing but its always waiting
11:51:31 <varbles> i get great speeds off this drive with samba normally
11:53:10 <varbles> trying db mode now
11:53:47 <varbles> i havent tried it on anything but =safe or =fast so far
12:01:24 <varbles> wow
12:01:26 <varbles> it's working
12:01:36 <varbles> writing 5MB/s now
12:02:02 <varbles> about the same sync rate i was getting before
12:06:34 <varbles> 5.0 days left, a lot better than 5.0 months it was giving me before
12:06:45 <varbles> thanks! :)
15:22:11 <maledictium> Hi guys, is 7KH/s a decent rate for mining monero?
15:23:10 <grumblemobile> Yes. No. Maybe.
15:24:32 <grumblemobile> Is getting $50 a year in interest a decent rate for your bank account ?
15:24:53 <grumblemobile> Yes. No. Maybe. Depends on how much you have on it.
15:37:27 <maledictium> Well, I can squeeze much more from tgis i7 12th gen but then I also need the pc for other stuff :) 
15:38:05 <maledictium> It's not a dedicated setup 
15:43:06 <maledictium> But yeah, if it's about 50$ a year sounds a bit poor, unless monero goes up like crazy 
15:55:45 <gijoe> Good Morning all, Would any of you guys have a handy walk through(either video or web page) that could walk a newb like myself purchasing Monero anonymously using "Bisq"?  
17:26:17 <Dereturn> I made a 9 USD TX and it took like 4 to 5 mins to create the TX and it had 50 inputs. Is this behavior normal?
17:30:11 <Dereturn> I had to babysit my HD wallet do it wouldn't timeout
17:30:32 <selsta> do you do mining?
17:30:36 <selsta> and which node did you use?
17:31:26 <Dereturn> the one on Get Monero
17:31:33 <Dereturn> I suspended my mining for this
17:32:00 <Dereturn> I used the GUI wallet
17:32:05 <selsta> which wallet mode?
17:32:11 <Dereturn> Advanced Mode
17:32:19 <selsta> which node?
17:32:53 <Dereturn> Mondeod from the Monero github
17:33:09 <selsta> ok, so you are running your own local node and you didn't connect to a remote node?
17:33:16 <selsta> guess that makes sense if you are mining
17:33:32 <Dereturn> yes, my own local node. no remote
17:33:41 <selsta> do you have the blockchain stored on hdd or sdd? and which OS are you using?
17:33:43 <sech1> 4-5 minutes is not normal, I've created transactions with 190 inputs in 5-10 seconds
17:33:45 <Dereturn> ssd
17:34:09 <selsta> do you use a ledger / trezor?
17:34:30 <Dereturn> Ledger, Latest software for device and app
17:34:38 <selsta> ok that's the issue
17:34:58 <Dereturn> Ledger having an ongoing issue with Monero
17:34:59 <selsta> they have a super slow chip inside
17:35:01 <Dereturn> ??
17:35:10 <selsta> it's not an issue, it's just a limitation of the hardware wallet
17:35:21 <selsta> they don't have a fast cpu like a normal laptop / pc would have
17:35:53 <Dereturn> So is it a good idea to extend or just remove the timeout function. Is that even possible?
17:36:54 <selsta> might make more sense to mine into an intermediary wallet and then consolidate the inputs onto the ledger
17:37:05 <selsta> what timeout exists currently? i remember removing it years ago
17:37:23 <Dereturn> not sure but it felt like 1 min
17:38:37 <Dereturn> what about the Model T from Trezor? is their CPU any better?
17:39:51 <selsta> I don't know
17:40:49 <Dereturn> Well, Thank you for the reality check. I thought I was goin crazy. 
17:43:47 <selsta> Ledger Nano S Plus should also have a faster chip compared to the normal Nano S. Now how  much difference this makes in real life, no idea.
17:46:21 <grumblemobile> IIRC the trezor CPU is substantially more beefy than Ledger.
17:46:51 <grumblemobile> Though of course it depends on exact models.
17:48:24 <Mochi101> Wen can we start mining XMR on Trezor?
17:55:35 <Dereturn> guumblemobile. What about the Model T vs Model X?
17:55:55 <grumblemobile> Not ther foggiest. The trezor website might know.
17:55:57 <Dereturn> from Trezor and Ledger respectful
17:55:58 <selsta> Model X does not exist
17:56:26 <Dereturn> the Nano X
17:56:49 <selsta> quite sure that's just with added bluetooth compared to nano s plus
17:57:13 <Dereturn> yeah, I got my Nano X before the s plus was a thing
17:57:49 <selsta> do you use the Nano S or X now?
17:58:05 <Dereturn> X, not sure if the S is a good enough investment
17:59:44 <selsta> ok, then there is no point in upgrading for you
18:00:14 <selsta> S Plus seems similar to X CPU wise, the normal S is slower
18:00:52 <Dereturn> are there any other HW wallets that support Monero v16?
18:03:33 <Dereturn> on the market
18:04:00 <selsta> there won't be a hardware wallet with a desktop like cpu
18:04:42 <dsc_> hold my beer
18:05:08 <selsta> you can either mine into an intermediary wallet, or consolidate your inputs from time to time, even if this means waiting a bit
18:06:16 <selsta> with shielded zcash transactions it's not even possible to construct a transaction on hardware wallets from what i know, so i'm happy that it only becomes a problem with lots of inputs in monero
18:07:46 <Dereturn> I might just stop mining for a bit. energy costs are rising and it is starting becoming too much of a cost for even a small profit
18:08:26 <Dereturn> is it a good idea to consolidate all my inputs in to just one or 2?
18:09:18 <Dereturn> meaning, oesprivacy get weeker if there are less inputs?
18:09:46 <Dereturn> or because of ring sigs that is not a problem?
18:15:54 <selsta> I think as long as you only consolidate mining inputs it should be fine.
18:16:26 <selsta> maybe someone else can explain
18:18:23 <grumblemobile> If I were in this situation, I'd just bag them all at once. The pool knows they're all to the same address anyway.
18:18:41 <selsta> Dereturn: do you do p2pool mining?
18:18:41 <grumblemobile> This is my gut feeling though, not a considered evidence based decision.
18:19:39 <Dereturn> yes, I do p2pool mining. How did you do the green colored text?
18:20:07 <selsta> should be your IRC client highlighting your username
18:20:10 <grumblemobile> Scratch what I said then. I was assuming third party pool.
18:21:45 <Dereturn> so highlighting is green. is there a command to innit it?
18:28:27 <Dereturn> does IRC have a @ function like in Discord?
18:28:49 <selsta> no
18:29:16 <selsta> but your client will highlight it when someone writes your username
18:32:37 <Dereturn> selsta test message
18:33:10 <Dereturn> I don't see it hilighted. is it only the receiver?
18:33:19 <grumblemobile> Dereturn: yes
18:34:51 <Dereturn> thanks for this information
19:05:18 <Mochi101> grumblemobile, did you ever think you'd be introducing the yunguns to the magic of IRC?
19:10:22 <nioc> after shaking fist at the clouds changed their name to grumble 
19:12:56 <Mochi101> nioc: s/fist/hoof
19:13:15 <nioc> :)
21:31:58 <Dean> Hi
21:32:32 <Dean> Newbie to crypto here.
21:33:23 <Dean> Can I mine on weak hardware?
21:35:06 <sech1> It depends how weak
21:35:28 <sech1> 4 GB memory is the minimum for any meaningful mining
21:37:22 <Dean> I'm honestly not trying to make money but just curious about it.
21:39:41 <sech1> then even raspberry pi 3 will be enough to try