00:09:28 <copenhagen_bram4> It was Alan Turing, not Tesla! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing#Treasure
00:11:12 <copenhagen_bram4> https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/yjbjga/til_that_alan_turing_the_mathematician_renowned/
03:28:51 <bigslim[m]> hmm looks like bug here with using --block-sync-size larger than 100 disconnects Daemon from network
03:30:18 <bigslim[m]> it cannot validate blocks now, just stuck when using 100
03:33:42 <nioc> guess that's why the default is 20
03:34:08 <nioc> takes too much time with your HDD
03:35:02 <bigslim[m]> yea took 5min to pull the 100 blocks where with default its 20 per 10sec
03:35:19 <nioc> 0_o
03:35:34 <bigslim[m]> if I just had 160gb space on my M1 this would be done in like an hour lol
03:35:49 <nioc> ask Santa
03:36:02 <bigslim[m]> what if im jewish?
03:36:09 <bigslim[m]> lol
03:36:12 <spacekitty420[m]> then ask bezos o.o
03:36:13 <nioc> doesn't matter
03:37:01 <bigslim[m]> dreidel dreidel dreidel I built you out of stuck monero blocks
03:37:24 <nioc> I forget what my sync is for 20 non checkpoint blocks
03:37:48 <nioc> mine is always running
03:37:57 <bigslim[m]> I let it run here and got another 30k blocks synced in 8 hours
03:38:11 <spacekitty420[m]> spacekitty420[m]: that wasnt an antisemite comment btw, there's that new tv show "The Santa Clauses" and spoiler: in 2nd episode kal pen (that plays a character similar as what jeff bezos would be) is gonna become the new santa o.o
03:38:36 <bigslim[m]> spacekitty420[m]: im not jewish 🙂
03:38:38 <nioc> billionaires don't give things away
03:39:39 <nioc> unless their accountant says to  
03:40:18 <spacekitty420[m]> like musk with the starlinks cause it was "good PR" for that ESG thingy but fuck the gov over there anyways so.... yeah, fuck 'em
03:40:48 <bigslim[m]> damn m1 has 109gb room
03:40:54 <nioc> spacekitty420[m]: what would happen if you didn't watch TV?
03:41:06 <bigslim[m]> base model of base model mac mini
03:41:32 <spacekitty420[m]> nioc: then would just play video games instead and yas i know i watch too much tv shows and movies LOL
03:42:40 <spacekitty420[m]> last rick and morty ep from yesterday with that whole 4th wall thing, loved it <3
03:43:11 <bigslim[m]> lol nvm, 23.54gb wtf
03:43:25 <bigslim[m]> must have synced the entire repository or something oops
03:44:01 <spacekitty420[m]> /r/minipcs instead of mac mini / intel nuc, get something with a ryzen, there's even that one with 6900HX from minisforum that just getting released next month <3
03:44:37 <spacekitty420[m]> DDR5, USB-4 (thunderbolt compatible so could even get one of those external GPU with it)
03:44:49 <spacekitty420[m]> and the integrated graphics, oh my <333
03:45:23 <spacekitty420[m]> could run triple A games from it o.o
03:45:55 <bigslim[m]> mac mini is legit with M1
03:46:06 <bigslim[m]> doesnt get the love it deserves 
03:46:27 <spacekitty420[m]> apple products dont deserve no love tho, fuck tim apple
03:46:52 <bigslim[m]> I can compile stuff in like 8 min that takes intel cpu 45min to compile
03:47:13 <bigslim[m]> and thats with a base of base model mac
03:48:07 <spacekitty420[m]> eh, as long as it's working out for ya i guess :)
03:49:39 <Mochi101> spacekitty420[m] and tim apple sitting in a tree
03:52:53 <bigslim[m]> this little pee shooter of a PC was able to do more than my 1950x I feel like some days
03:53:21 <spacekitty420[m]> was 16 core threadripper, right?
03:54:50 <spacekitty420[m]> (aight, it was, just checked, damn, time goes fast eh :O)
03:55:50 <RavFX[m]> right.
03:55:50 <RavFX[m]> I wanted one, did not get it.
03:56:16 <spacekitty420[m]> same and ended up waiting for the 2990x which then got :3
03:56:16 <RavFX[m]> good decision by the end, stuff evolving too fast lol
03:56:42 <spacekitty420[m]> but sucks cause not enough L2 cache to mine xmr with all threads compared to 3rd gen ryzen 😿
03:56:55 <spacekitty420[m]> move to RandomX wasnt done yet at the time...
03:57:11 <spacekitty420[m]> if only waited just a lil bit longer LOL
03:57:11 <RavFX[m]> have the 3950x since release, still holding on it
03:57:32 <spacekitty420[m]> 3900x since release here and was then got some 5950x cause why the fuck not :3
03:57:33 <RavFX[m]> got it before the scalpers 😄
03:57:48 <spacekitty420[m]> s/and/as/, s/was/well/
03:59:33 <bigslim[m]> that 1950x was beast tho for running server tasks
04:00:03 <spacekitty420[m]> yeah definitely love those for compiling / running a bunch of VMs and whatnot <3
04:00:13 <bigslim[m]> with 64gb ram I had like 10 vms running on windows virtualbox and still able to transcode with handbrake lol
04:00:49 <bigslim[m]> everything else it was pretty pointless other than a basement heater which it excelled at quite well
04:00:57 <spacekitty420[m]> same here but KVM and a bit more VMs as well o.o
04:01:12 <RavFX[m]> KVM+libvirt 🙂
04:01:20 <spacekitty420[m]> yas :3
04:01:36 <bigslim[m]> I struggled to get a MacOS VM on it though
04:02:00 <bigslim[m]> it "worked" for one or two vm reboots then could never get it to work again after spending all that time to get it running
04:02:23 <spacekitty420[m]> oh! wanted to do that too, watched the video tutorials to do so but then ended up being like "eh.... wouldn't have an actual use for that tho...." so just got lazy and ended up not doing it
04:02:55 <bigslim[m]> yea I kinda did it for shits and giggles but it was like 3 days of my time wasted in the end 
04:03:39 <spacekitty420[m]> you still learned a few things out of it, sometimes the experience from fucking around is worth it even if not working out in the end
04:04:24 <spacekitty420[m]> had some more fun doing gpu passthroughs tho, like on the threadripper had a gpu for host and 2 other gpus that passthrough to their own VM, fun stuff <3
04:05:31 <spacekitty420[m]> after few hours of running them headless (with one of those hdmi plug to simulate a screen plugged) still had some audio glitches after few days so had to reset them once in awhile, kinda annnoying but definitely a fun experience
04:06:01 <spacekitty420[m]> well, sometimes was few hours but usually more like couple days
04:07:13 <bigslim[m]> yes
04:07:39 <bigslim[m]> does the new monero gui have m1 support on macos release binaries?
04:09:49 <bigslim[m]> guess im lazy, latest stuff I built was dec 2021 on this m1. SO have to build those first then gui 
04:11:31 <spacekitty420[m]> scrolling through the release notes can't seem to see a mention of it but assuming there wouldnt be an issue and if there is an issue, would try cli also which i don't see a reason why it wouldnt work
04:13:55 <bigslim[m]> wtf, latest DL is 17.3.2
04:14:09 <bigslim[m]> from https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/releases
04:14:26 <bigslim[m]> oopsies someone forgot to update that
04:14:53 <spacekitty420[m]> september 30th 18.1.2 on github and getmonero also has the latest
04:15:24 <plowsof> im, yeah .. not seeing 17.3.2
04:15:54 <bigslim[m]> I just downloaded it and now its immediately saying upgrade to 18.1.2
04:16:29 <spacekitty420[m]> the .dmg file from september 30th?
04:16:53 <bigslim[m]> motherfucker apparently I drag and dropped into my corsair folder in applications 😆
04:16:55 <spacekitty420[m]> you mean even if file named 18.1.2 when launching it is actually 17.3.2?
04:17:05 <bigslim[m]> my bad
04:17:10 <spacekitty420[m]> oh 😹
04:17:16 <spacekitty420[m]> happens :3
04:19:26 <bigslim[m]> block 0 sync, let's see how log this takes now 🙂 2.72mil blocks heh
04:20:20 <spacekitty420[m]> if no bottlenecks from internet and whatnot, and using default settings getting it done in around 12 hours usually here
04:20:55 <bigslim[m]> yea I have fiber and hard wired to router/modem so...
04:21:03 <spacekitty420[m]> noice o.o
04:21:17 <spacekitty420[m]> nvme / ssd, like, not hdd, right?
04:21:28 <bigslim[m]> I think last time I try this (different hardware) it was like a week to sync heh
04:22:04 <bigslim[m]> on my old 2014 macbook pro
04:22:21 <spacekitty420[m]> damn... that's some commitment right there, few days ago saw someone around that also took them a whole week on hdd
04:22:55 <bigslim[m]> thats why my daemons are on the NAS because set and forget
04:26:32 <bigslim[m]> spacekitty420[m]: I think last time I try was on that 1950x and 1tb Sabrent rocket, still took forevvvvveeeerrrr to sync. That nvme is now my cache for NAS 
04:27:46 <RavFX[m]> I took ~10 hours to sync on a cheap HDD using 16GB of NVME cache
04:27:46 <RavFX[m]> LVM2!
04:28:01 <spacekitty420[m]> oh shit wtf :O
04:28:56 <spacekitty420[m]> guess ill have to google how to do that, seems like could be usefull o.o
04:29:13 <RavFX[m]> have to use proper type of cache for it to work
04:29:34 <spacekitty420[m]> iirc could also do with the RAM, i just have no idea how to set up something like that
04:30:00 <RavFX[m]> PC : Lenovo M70... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/39562af64077803e123f0cbb63afb2020ddc599c>)
04:30:03 <RavFX[m]> here, google the rest
04:30:31 <spacekitty420[m]> tyty <3
04:31:02 <RavFX[m]> I have to make a final release for my cache stuff...
04:35:11 <RavFX[m]> <spacekitty420[m]> "iirc could also do with the RAM,..." <- Easy to do actually
04:35:11 <RavFX[m]> like 16GB+ file in a tmpfs 😉
04:39:25 <RavFX[m]> 24-30GB is probably the optimum amount of cache, have to retest but with 16GB, the last 1-2% of the sync got extremely slow compared to the rest
04:40:01 <spacekitty420[m]> i think the last 1-2% are already very slow regardless
04:40:18 <bigslim[m]> well M1 is using 6.7gb ram and 1.3 cache right now syncing
04:41:20 <bigslim[m]> RavFX[m]: that is the issue I am having right now. these last like 100k blocks are death
04:42:07 <bigslim[m]> I really think its due to tail emissions 
04:42:43 <RavFX[m]> how tail emission would make a difference, compared to normal mining?
04:43:06 <bigslim[m]> no clue, I am not a data scientist lol
04:43:16 <spacekitty420[m]> even before tail emission noticed that, could be just that there's way more transactions but the numbers doesnt seem to make sense if that was the case
04:43:21 <RavFX[m]> technically it should change nothing
04:43:38 <RavFX[m]> what about p2pool?
04:43:57 <RavFX[m]> that create a shitton of tx right?
04:45:25 <bigslim[m]> more tx or more people in one tx so they are fuller so miners get their fees
04:46:25 <RavFX[m]> p2pool you have one TX with a lot of output in each blocks
04:46:36 <spacekitty420[m]> more tx including in a block increases the size, unfortunately i never wrote down the numbers of actual syncing speed but always felt like for example first 100GB are faster to sync than the last few GBs left
04:46:38 <RavFX[m]> mined by p2pool plus these endup in decoys too
04:47:21 <bigslim[m]> spacekitty420[m]: thats because empty blocks + lower ring size + other weight wasnt there
04:47:59 <spacekitty420[m]> like said tho, noticed that even before tail emission which was also before the change to 16 for the ring size
04:48:11 <spacekitty420[m]> so imo is even something else, no idea what tho
04:48:50 <bigslim[m]> monero is like Luisa now from Encanto, holding up all that weight lol
04:49:34 <bigslim[m]> tx use increased a ton last year summer, then now again this year summer. That adds weight to blockchain
04:49:58 <bigslim[m]> everyone wants "privacy" and monero is always the go-to
04:50:19 <bigslim[m]> call it a slow spam attack lol
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04:50:44 <spacekitty420[m]> that's true, would just have to do proper benchmark to see if writing speed to the drive does actually goes down for those last GBs
04:50:45 <RavFX[m]> maybe it's because of these propagating in the decoys
04:50:51 <DanIsnotthemanBr> oo
04:51:01 <RavFX[m]> look in every tx
04:51:16 <bigslim[m]> wtf decoys ring 0?
04:51:18 <RavFX[m]> often you have one p2pool output or more
04:51:38 <bigslim[m]> that makes no sense to have ring0 in a tx
04:52:06 <RavFX[m]> if you have to calculate if you're address in one of these output for each of them, that could slow it down right?
04:52:14 <bigslim[m]> so p2pool is like a mixing service for random decoys?
04:52:47 <RavFX[m]> non, p2pool is just mining, but it's output are been used as decoys
04:53:03 <bigslim[m]> hmm
04:56:55 <RavFX[m]> <bigslim[m]> "that makes no sense to have ring..." <- in fact, yes, because mined coin are ring0 tx.
05:02:33 <RavFX[m]> And you don't want to be able to know when people spend mined coins
05:03:11 <DanIsnotthemanBr> virgin coin
05:03:28 <RavFX[m]> Yeah, it's what I ment
05:08:51 <spacekitty420[m]> dang, speaking of transactions, was hoping this year we would be a 10 millions tx in 2022 but as of october we only at 7 millions, most likely would still be ATH with nov/december but still... sad
05:09:54 <DanIsnotthemanBr> start spending 💰️
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05:10:31 <spacekitty420[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: or buying also works, taking them off cex is still a tx :3
05:11:15 <DanIsnotthemanBr> i did get rid of my tusd
05:16:16 <bigslim[m]> ahh memory leak still present on latest xmrig
05:16:58 <bigslim[m]> malloc: *** set a breakpoint in malloc_error_break to debug
05:16:58 <bigslim[m]> [1]    8843 abort      ./xmrig
05:17:53 <bigslim[m]> ok i go to bed
06:08:57 <Guest30> Right here
12:03:00 <gingeropolous[m]> goddamn. new vps suspended because they want my left nut in verification protocols
12:03:16 <gingeropolous[m]> cereal there were like 9 steps for whatever they wanted
12:07:21 <moneromoooo> "Sorry, left nut's gone already, I already have a VPS with one of your competitors"
12:10:41 <gingeropolous[m]> though apparently i can choose to bypass using crypto.... ?
12:11:17 <gingeropolous[m]> but yeah maybe i should just find a different provider
14:09:53 <xfedex[m]> <dani-g5[m]> "How to actually start getting..." <- It's pretty easy. Download the GUI wallet, choose "easy mode" (not expert mode), and you can start receiving and sending Monero.
14:09:53 <xfedex[m]> There are a few things you should be aware of:
14:09:54 <xfedex[m]> - Do not leave too much money in exchanges, unless you want to get insta-scammed (see FTX and MtGox - many exchanges are also suspect of being fractionally reserved). Not your keys, not your coins.
14:09:54 <xfedex[m]> - **NEVER** share your seed. Do not store it electronically, especially not on third party servers such as Google Drive, Google Docs, etc. Do not send it via email.
14:10:08 <xfedex[m]> If you are Italian you might also want to join #monero-italia:monero.social 
14:21:38 <bigslim[m]> I like how Monero implemented the “EASY” button 😃
14:22:40 <bigslim[m]> Years of patrons not reading guides or instructions helped push that
14:23:14 <bigslim[m]> <gingeropolous[m]> "goddamn. new vps suspended..." <- Use contabo
14:25:08 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Sadly Contabo requires government ID KYC, if you pay with a KYC-free Visa gift card... Here is a good list of crypto-friendly VPS hosts: https://bitcoin-vps.com/
14:42:59 <bigslim[m]> Maybe contabo has changed now? i have used almost 2 years and never have required govt ID
14:43:58 <bigslim[m]> I use CC though so I suppose that is KYC enough
14:45:56 <bigslim[m]> Anyway looks like this M1 has done all but 82,000 blocks synced in 8 hours 🙂 
14:46:33 <bigslim[m]> The little mac that could, unless the GUI defaults to pruned chain or something...
14:46:34 <moneromoooo> and will do the remaining 82k in 8 hours ^_^
14:48:02 <Mochi101> if he's lucky
14:48:56 <bigslim[m]> yea probably. My NAS is taking like 3 days now
14:50:44 <bigslim[m]> Never underestimate the power of Apple Silicon 🐌
14:53:58 <xfedex[m]> bigslim[m]: *SSDs
15:59:43 <bigslim[m]> <anarkiocrypto[m]> "Sadly Contabo requires governmen..." <- The issue I had with BTC providers is they ghost you and shut the doors randomly so only pay month to month with them
17:58:01 <sgp[m]> Checking in: is the bridge running ok? Ant problems?
17:59:16 <sgp[m]> <gingeropolous[m]> "goddamn. new vps suspended..." <- Can you say what VPS?
18:15:31 <nioc> sgp[m]: seems to be, thx
18:16:31 <nioc> *seems to be fine 
18:41:27 <gingeropolous[m]> sgp: racknerd.
18:42:22 <gingeropolous[m]> ugh. now how do i pay btc invoices with monero these days
18:42:46 <vtnerd> with whatever backend cake wallet uses?
18:42:54 <vtnerd> I forget which it was these days
18:43:00 <vtnerd> change now?
18:43:37 <vtnerd> I believe the terms of service require that you record the tx locally though, or maybe I was misreading how all that worked
18:43:42 <vtnerd> *tx info
18:44:13 <gingeropolous[m]> ah ok. the exchange option
18:44:24 <DanIsnotthemanBr> http://trocadorfyhlu27aefre5u7zri66gudtzdyelymftvr4yjwcxhfaqsid.onion/
18:44:24 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Torcador 
18:44:24 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://trocador.app/en/
18:45:00 <Mochi101> aggregator
18:45:24 <Mochi101> not really what he's looking for
18:45:43 <xfedex[m]> Mochi101: it shows you the best swap thought
18:45:58 <Mochi101> I know
18:46:00 <xfedex[m]> so you can just use it to see what's the best service for a certain swap
18:46:20 <Mochi101> He wants a service like the now closed xmr.to
18:46:22 <gingeropolous[m]> well off into the nethers it goes
18:46:50 <gingeropolous[m]> i swear with these auto swaps it feels like im just hoping it all works
18:47:06 <Mochi101> who'd you use?
18:47:13 <gingeropolous[m]> whatever cake wallet does
18:47:23 <Mochi101> mmm
18:47:31 <xfedex[m]> fixedfloat is a decent swap
18:47:37 <xfedex[m]> 0.5% fee
18:48:00 <Mochi101> I'm not impressed with that service gingeropolous[m]...
18:48:25 <xfedex[m]> otherwise if you have time you can register an account anonymously on tradeogre, it has 0.2% fee
18:48:46 <gingeropolous[m]> well we'll see how it does..
18:49:18 <Mochi101> oh I' sure it'll go through, that's not my issue with them
18:51:51 <nioc> sell montero for bitscorn and then send bitscorn
18:51:57 <nioc> seems simple 
18:52:21 <gingeropolous[m]> y use bitscorn
18:52:38 <gingeropolous[m]> of course i get a 15 min block
18:52:44 <nioc> cause imma confused 
18:52:52 <nioc> oh
18:53:10 <nioc> I prefer 60 min blocks
18:53:49 <vtnerd> ah yeah well ginger eventually there will be serai
18:54:05 <gingeropolous[m]> wassat
18:54:38 <vtnerd> a not yet completed dex option
18:54:59 <vtnerd> I am not affliated with that project, so I cannot give many more details
18:55:11 <vtnerd> theres also the usual bisq, but Im sure you know about that
20:06:41 <AmbiguousYelp[m]> EU moves to ban crypto exchanges from holding privacy coins: headline sata
20:06:43 <AmbiguousYelp[m]> says
20:09:58 <mj-xmr[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/z233q4/soloptxmr_quadriple_double_80_fee_explanation/
20:12:18 <Mochi101> mj-xmr[m], well... that line of code does look pretty hard to explain... going to read what you have to say about it...
20:13:35 <mj-xmr[m]> Mochi101: Yes. Unfortunately this had to be explained so deeply. I didn't enjoy focusing on the matter for the whole week. Small f***up -> huge drama.
20:16:08 <Mochi101> seems you made it too complicated mj-xmr[m] 
20:17:44 <mj-xmr[m]> Agree. It was a tech-demo of a business model "just in case" anyway. At least now we know how to do it.
20:18:07 <mj-xmr[m]> Also it got complicated due to the fact, that my priority was not to leech the XMRig author.
20:18:40 <Mochi101> I always liked the idea of your project, I hope it works out for you. Keep your head up man, stay polite and I'm sure things will work out.
20:19:14 <mj-xmr[m]> Thank you! 
20:19:14 <mj-xmr[m]> Staying polite is something that I'll learn when I'm 90 y.o. I guess. Unless I die until that time.
20:19:35 <Mochi101> It's an important skill.
20:24:22 <gingeropolous[m]> oh sumbitch. underpayment
20:24:28 <gingeropolous[m]> goddamn money of the future
20:41:08 <sgp[m]> <gingeropolous[m]> "oh sumbitch. underpayment" <- check out their fixed rates
20:41:19 <sgp[m]> that way it doesn't fall under the invoice amount
20:41:42 <sgp[m]> fixed rates for paying invoices, variable for everything else
21:07:40 <gingeropolous[m]> welp looks like that should be the default
21:08:17 <Mochi101> sgp[m], mind a little chat on sgp_ ?
21:09:18 <sgp[m]> Mochi101: sure, but this account doesn't accept IRC relayed messages. So with Matrix, or through another contact methof
21:09:22 <sgp[m]> s/methof/method/
21:10:34 <Mochi101> Best method outside of Matrix?
21:14:51 <sgp[m]> Mochi101: Threema, Session, Signal, email. Take your pick.
21:18:09 <Mochi101> I never realized that we're so different and barely have anything in common.
21:18:25 <Mochi101> :D
21:18:36 <moneromoooo> netcat ?
21:18:58 <Mochi101> Actually it's fine sgp[m] 
21:19:02 <Mochi101> nvm
21:33:41 <NorrinRadd> lol matrix gives me a dirty feeling also.
21:46:55 <eynno[m]> <NorrinRadd> "lol matrix gives me a dirty..." <- There are terminal-based clients if that would improve your UX 
21:50:46 <NorrinRadd> no, it's the architecture. you either dox yourself with a home server tied to DNS & IP, or you use someone else's home server that has all your metadata
21:52:10 <NorrinRadd> IRC has the same last problem. I just don't see a reason to use Matrix
22:09:09 <spacekitty420[m]> Mochi101: trocador not just an aggregator, you can do payments directly from it without leaving the website so exactly what gingeropolous was looking for as an alternative to the now ded xmr.to, just have to select the "fixed" option and all good
22:12:38 <Mochi101> spacekitty420[m], scroll down to their FAQ - "We are an exchange aggregator focused on privacy. When you fill in your desired transaction, we search the best possible rates in our partner exchanges. This means there's no need for you to open an account in a centralized exchange, nor provide your personal information."
22:13:52 <spacekitty420[m]> yes but from it you can select like majesticbank or like fixedfloat and it'll just act as a proxy
22:14:12 <Mochi101> yes
22:19:03 <spacekitty420[m]> btw, idk if it's spoiler or anything but the info is on the trocador matrix channel that stack wallet (by rehrar team) is working on integrating trocador directly into the wallet so that'll also be a good alternative cake on that regard seems like
22:19:32 <spacekitty420[m]> * good alternative to cake on
22:20:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> It launches into Fixedfloat website directly - I dont think it proxies?
22:23:56 <spacekitty420[m]> oh i think i see what's happening, you clicking on the redirect link with the referal thingy instead of using the thingy on the left:
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22:24:48 <spacekitty420[m]> ofrnxmr: like, if you fill the fields on the left of that screenshot, you wont be redirected to fixedfloat
22:29:03 <spacekitty420[m]> ofrnxmr: there, just sent some feedback about UX that clicking the wrong thing:
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22:29:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> <spacekitty420[m]> "oh i think i see what's happenin..." <- Maybe mobile
22:30:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hm.. maybe im just using it wrong lol
22:30:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Probably the latter
22:31:46 <spacekitty420[m]> sounds like an apple bs excuse "users just using it wrong", like imo if it comes to that point then is just UX that needs to be improved
22:31:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Definitely the latter 🥹
22:31:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> My ass always checks which has the best rate and manually click it
22:36:05 <spacekitty420[m]> ofrnxmr: there u go, thanks for being a stoopid ass :P
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22:36:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tell them "plowsof says sorry. User error"
22:37:19 <spacekitty420[m]> nono, is good thing, there will always be an user somewhere that fucking something up so is good feedback to have less user being confused in the future, all good :P
22:48:43 <AlgernonTrocador> Hey, guys! Joining the discussion late here, but thanks for the feedback! 
22:48:43 <AlgernonTrocador> Yeah, Trocador.app is meant to be used not only as an aggregator, but also as a (tor-enabled) proxy. So every step of the transaction can be done without leaving our site, that way exchanges can't IP track or fingerprint your device.
22:48:48 <AlgernonTrocador> Those referral links next to the rates were only meant as a quick way for users to see that we don't charge anything extra than the chosen exchange. But indeed, on mobile it can be confusing. 
22:48:48 <AlgernonTrocador> We're just finishing our 'payment mode'(choosing amount received instead of amount sent) and then I'll have a look at how we can improve the UX on mobile.
22:51:55 <DanIsnotthemanBr> “Operator error”
22:54:17 <CodeForCoins> Hi
22:56:50 <Morpheus[m]> Yeah
22:57:28 <Morpheus[m]> You guys are invited to do the whole trade on Trocador via TOR, without ever touching the exchange's website.
22:59:24 <NorrinRadd> Morpheus[m] you all list majesticbank?
23:00:43 <Morpheus[m]> We list majestic, yes.
23:00:58 <Morpheus[m]> We currently have 14 exchanges listed
23:01:35 <NorrinRadd> Morpheus[m] if you can be candid, how accurate is the quote api to that exchange?
23:09:02 <Morpheus[m]> Should be exact
23:09:25 <Morpheus[m]> Any divergence, feel free to notify us
23:19:44 <bigslim[m]> So m1 synced in about 12hrs from block 0
23:20:03 <bigslim[m]> But then segfault closing gui lol
23:21:01 <DanIsnotthemanBr> I’ve used tor version of trocador
23:21:04 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Works
23:21:04 <bigslim[m]> Synology still syncing heh
23:27:11 <Morpheus[m]> Cool