08:12:09 <fluffypony> Stnby[m]: shared SSL certs are not sketchy, they're very common for CDNs
08:19:29 <moneromoooo> Can you send me your cert secret key btw ? For... backup purposes.
08:19:58 <moneromoooo> I always wanted to ask but worried it'd be seen as sketchy.
08:30:10 <fluffypony> sure I'll just text it to you
08:30:37 <initroot[m]> <alpharabius[m]> "I mean like a programming cert..." <- Shouldn't be that hard. Waste of money IMHO though
08:31:59 <initroot[m]> Comptia certs seem like a money grabbing joke to me. I got two for college. If you think you can get a job with it yes but if you are not planning to work in it for awhile I wouldn't bother. I believe security plus expires.
08:42:24 <Siren[m]> They all expire
13:50:14 <gingeropolous> hrmm.... what can I do with 4TB/month....
13:50:23 <gingeropolous> and only 30GB of space...
13:56:23 <gingeropolous> i guess i could run a tor tunnel to clearnet remote nodes
13:57:11 <gingeropolous> though these days there are "enough" tor remote nodes i guess
14:01:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Are there enough? Im not so sure 
14:03:46 <gingeropolous> this has 32: https://monero.fail/?nettype=mainnet&onion=true&all=true
14:04:11 <gingeropolous> last time I had an onion route to clearnet nodes there were like 3
14:04:46 <erembax[m]> Ok so follow up to my post in the Monero Community room. I've created /etc/systemd/system/monerod.service with the following contents:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/9a48bb54b40fe2766f9886363f5c5c228329cce4>)
14:05:25 <erembax[m]>  * Ok so follow up to my post in the Monero Community room. I've created /etc/systemd/system/monerod.service with the following contents:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/efd7a9248dd9699a78eed0d650728af82836d4d8>)
14:05:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Where is your monerod ? It shouldn't be in /usr/bin
14:06:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Should be in the same folder as gui, no?
14:06:08 <erembax[m]>  * Ok so follow up to my post in the Monero Community room. I've created /etc/systemd/system/monerod.service with the following contents:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/323d3ad59b0e865c71bd9009550a527187ee589b>)
14:06:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nvm. Next time ill read the error first
14:06:31 <erembax[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: everything is in /usr/local/bin
14:08:03 <gingeropolous> erembax[m], here's how i roll my daemons
14:08:05 <gingeropolous> https://paste.centos.org/view/04124395
14:08:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> gingeropolous: Im always connected to plowsof, even if he uses a new server and onion 
14:08:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> I maintain 12 connections without any issues though 
14:08:58 <gingeropolous> erembax[m], and with that setup you need to put monerod.conf in /etc/
14:09:14 <gingeropolous> i prefer this because you can modify your monerod config without having to do the daemon-reload for systemd
14:11:35 <gingeropolous> and the monerod.conf is similar to any flags you would launch monero with, except you just do one entry per line, and you use the format: log-level=1 , instead of --log-level 1
14:12:05 <Mochi101> putting things in proper directories is just a social construct
14:15:32 <erembax[m]> I changed the monerod.service to... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/49d5160987e3fccbe1ef3032a45af7b4262dcd9e>)
14:16:49 <Mochi101> Restart=always
14:18:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Gingers doesnt have the restartsec either. Remove that
14:19:19 <Mochi101> on wallet-rpc I like to put
14:19:22 <Mochi101> Restart=always
14:19:22 <Mochi101> RestartSec=60
14:19:38 <erembax[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: YES 
14:19:38 <erembax[m]> it worked :-)
14:19:47 <erembax[m]> this is the final:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/c579839c9a701bc6473dd9f369a4c271a373bb9a>)
14:20:26 <erembax[m]> let me reboot and see if it starts
14:23:48 <erembax[m]> edit: it doesn't work it's stuck in a loop
14:25:42 <erembax[m]>  * it worked :-)
14:25:42 <erembax[m]> Edit: it doesn't it's stuck in a loop starting and stopping
15:15:52 <erembax[m]> I'm giving up, I tried 10 different systemd scripts and the ubuntu startup applications
15:16:35 <spacekitty420[m]> ```sudo apt remove systemd```
15:16:35 <spacekitty420[m]> o.o
15:16:40 <spacekitty420[m]> jkjk
15:17:22 <RavFX[m]1> People still use Soystemd?
15:18:41 <spacekitty420[m]> u prob one of those "using arch btw" or somethin 😹
15:19:01 <RavFX[m]1> Naaa, Gentoo
15:19:06 <spacekitty420[m]> dayum
15:19:13 <Stnby[m]> RavFX[m]1: Ewwww
15:19:22 <Stnby[m]> Python package manager, smelly
15:19:39 <spacekitty420[m]> wouldnt run that on anything that needs to be stable for production but u do u :3
15:19:55 <Stnby[m]> Imagine having python as your most important dependency
15:19:56 <RavFX[m]1> Other good choice is Artix, OpenRC flavor (it's arch with openrc to make it simple)
15:20:10 <Stnby[m]> Void linux for life, arch is shit
15:20:16 <Stnby[m]> Just like its memes
15:21:33 <RavFX[m]1> Stnby[m]: I was about to say to just use Paludis but look like it's dead by no maintainers.
15:22:19 <Stnby[m]> Void linux + xbps-src
15:22:36 <RavFX[m]1> I got many Arch install do suicide by update in the past
15:22:59 <Stnby[m]> Same but also Ubuntu and Gentoo
15:23:06 <Stnby[m]> They also die just as often
15:23:24 <RavFX[m]1> Yeah, but Gentoo you kinda lern or know to fix it at least
15:23:44 <Stnby[m]> RavFX[m]1: Well python error messages are quite useless
15:24:01 <Stnby[m]> When the package manager dies youre quite fucked
15:24:40 <RavFX[m]1> My longest lasting installation was from 2003 to 2017
15:24:40 <RavFX[m]1> I don't recommend keeping installation for that long 😂
15:25:05 <Stnby[m]> I heard people move their disks, or copy partitions
15:25:11 <Stnby[m]> I dont think that counts
15:25:16 <RavFX[m]1> Stnby[m]: naa, easy to go around actually
15:25:16 <RavFX[m]1> quickpkg the package from a working system
15:25:16 <RavFX[m]1> then untar it in / on the broken one
15:25:59 <Stnby[m]> Dualboot gentoo with another gentoo to fix another
15:26:15 <Stnby[m]> s/another/the other one/
15:26:17 <RavFX[m]1> Or have more than one gentoo system
15:26:37 <RavFX[m]1> or you can just download a stage 3 and chroot it in to get what you need, many way
15:26:39 <Stnby[m]> I used to have hexaboot system once
15:26:48 <Stnby[m]> Fun times
15:27:14 <RavFX[m]1> hexaboot 😂
15:27:14 <RavFX[m]1> I usually accumulate long list of kernels but it's the same "OS" unfortunately
15:27:36 <spacekitty420[m]> "how to troll linux nerds?" just say something about arch or whatever 😹
15:27:36 <spacekitty420[m]> yall nerds
15:27:38 <RavFX[m]1> I don't like to reboot so I never dual boot
15:27:50 <Stnby[m]> Void, Nix, Gentoo, Fedora, Arch and dont remeber whats the last one
15:27:54 <Stnby[m]> Puppy maybe
15:27:54 <RavFX[m]1> I have other computer or VM for other system
15:28:25 <Stnby[m]> Easy to have this many with uefi
15:28:51 <spacekitty420[m]> same, well, main system here doesnt have anything installed but qemu/kvm and everything is in VMs so host never broken, ever
15:29:01 <Stnby[m]> spacekitty420[m]: Genius
15:29:09 <spacekitty420[m]> :3
15:29:12 <Stnby[m]> What about gpu?
15:29:33 <RavFX[m]1> spacekitty420[m]: I got a very nice suicide event on arch many year ago
15:29:33 <RavFX[m]1> not long after it switched to systemd.
15:29:33 <RavFX[m]1> Update.. Reboot
15:29:33 <RavFX[m]1> after the reboot, the system was stuck in a loop : switch to second tty, wait one second, switch to first tty, wait a second.... Really, I don't know how they managed that one, like they actually programmed that
15:29:38 <spacekitty420[m]> Stnby[m]: don't need and if do, just gpu passthrough (apu on cpu)
15:29:47 <Stnby[m]> Ahh ok
15:31:10 <RavFX[m]1> I have a crap Intel UHD 630 on my Dev/Trade computer (Thinkcenter, 10500t with 64GB ram and 2tb NVME)
15:31:10 <RavFX[m]1> and a RX 5700 (flashed into "XT") in my gaming/mining 3950x
15:32:04 <RavFX[m]1> I have a stack of theses Thinkcenter, I like them.
15:32:04 <RavFX[m]1> They are so efficient (I run my house on solar)
15:32:16 <spacekitty420[m]> the reset bug on vega/navi was soooooo annoying back then 😿
15:32:53 <spacekitty420[m]> solar setup o.o <3
15:33:05 <RavFX[m]1> Yeah, the reset bug. If I remember it exist since we can do pci passthrough right? I mean, AMD always had it on non enterprise cards
15:33:46 <spacekitty420[m]> right, had to reboot the whole system when wanting to reboot just the 1 vm that had passthrough else it was throwing error
15:34:17 <RavFX[m]1> Yeah, that bug.
15:34:17 <RavFX[m]1> Sometime you could reboot the VM but you could not shut it down
15:35:28 <spacekitty420[m]> and yeah the whole "cause non enterprise cards", fucking hell... nvidia did the same shit too for other things, i think it was for the windows folks that wanted to do that with hyper-v and couldnt or something along those lines
15:37:40 <RavFX[m]1> Yeah, but Nvidia in the past you could convert geforce into quadro. I don't know if it's still a thing.
15:37:40 <RavFX[m]1> And anyway, who like proprietary nvidia blob on there system?
15:37:41 <RavFX[m]1> Last Nvidia card I brought was a 9800GT a long time ago, kept it 1 day before returning it and swapping for a 4870HD.
15:37:41 <RavFX[m]1> God a bug on where if you have more than one screen, X would usually endup eating 100% of one CPU core. I did contact Nvidia and they told me the fix was to boot with "nosmp" or "maxcpu=1" (I had a Q6600 back then)
15:38:11 <spacekitty420[m]> purposely locking up through firmware or driver, software or whatever...... same way as the whole iphones doing to prevent swapping pieces between 2 legit phones, software purposely made to be like "nop, it's not the original screen so fuck you"....... :derp: 
15:38:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> RAM @ Kitty 
15:38:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> ?*
15:38:51 <spacekitty420[m]> wdym RAM?
15:39:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> U have a dirty mind
15:39:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> I mean how much ram are you running, and how many vm
15:40:08 <spacekitty420[m]> too many and too many o.o
15:40:19 <RavFX[m]1> Yeah, it's everywhere
15:40:20 <RavFX[m]1> Or AMD try not now allow upgrading old AM4 to Ryzen 5xxx series.. (they finally did allow it after a few months, pretty sure it was to sell more new boards)
15:40:20 <RavFX[m]1> They said it's BIOS size limitation... that stuff is soo bloated noadays, I remember these old system that can do just find with a 256k or 515k ROM
15:44:47 <spacekitty420[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: i mean, it just depends of the mood, swapping rigs depending on what's up and what, usually with 64GB RAM am all good, for some things docker would be less resources hungry but ever since got the threadripper few years ago, the VMs can just affords all the cores and ram so it's whatever, in the past been running like 20 VMs on a single rig and such
15:44:47 <spacekitty420[m]> OH! there was also mochimo (MCM), a quantum resistant crypto coin that is gpu mineable but at launch it was on cpu for like few weeks so even had the 2700 and 2700x's with 1 VM per thread to 15 VM on each (just 1 left available for system use) cause like the miner couldnt mine on more than 1 core or somethin so the optimized way to just get a fuck ton of blocks were either vps or a bunch of 1 thread vm :3 
15:45:29 <spacekitty420[m]> s/to/so/
15:45:43 <RavFX[m]1> You can compress the ram when you have to many VM 😂 Work fine on my 3950X but you don't want to do that on a system with a "light" CPU.
15:45:43 <RavFX[m]1> Make a compressed tmpfs (zram)
15:45:43 <RavFX[m]1> create a swap in it 😂
15:47:13 <RavFX[m]1> spacekitty420: Could you just have ran all the thread on the same system, using taskset on each of the miner you launch so you pin it to one CPU core each?
15:48:24 <spacekitty420[m]> no idea and didnt know about that at the time either, did cpu pinning from the xml file tho
15:49:35 <RavFX[m]1> I remember doing that VM things with mining for crash isolation
15:49:36 <RavFX[m]1> PCI passthrough each Radeon 7970HD into a different VM.. That way when one crash it won't take whole system down so it can continue to warm up the room when i'm afk
15:50:46 <spacekitty420[m]> that's smart yeah, like, i can't imagine what it would have been like for people that had that 18 gpu mining mother board and had to deal with the whole rig when just one gpu had an issue on it....
15:52:15 <spacekitty420[m]> literally troubleshooting nightmare 😹
15:52:20 <RavFX[m]1> depend what you mine and how you mine.
15:52:20 <RavFX[m]1> on most normal setup, when one CPU die, it just continue to work, minus the crashed CPU.
15:52:57 <RavFX[m]1> s/CPU/GPU/, s/CPU/GPU/
15:54:54 <spacekitty420[m]> oh, didnt know about that, like, used to have rigs with dual 3090 and sometimes kitty would walk nearby and move one of the gpu making the whole thing just not work at all no more so was forced to do a whole rig reboot when that happened
15:56:08 <spacekitty420[m]> like, nvidia-smi was throwing error
15:56:12 <RavFX[m]1> Ah but that's a kitty event, it's different than just a random upset gpu 😂
15:56:13 <RavFX[m]1> Got a 7970 that got killed by a Mosquito one time. little fscker landed between two mosfet pins
15:56:37 <spacekitty420[m]> awwww 😿
15:56:56 <spacekitty420[m]> prob saw the rgb on the card and was like "aight, am gon get that mofo o.o"
15:57:23 <RavFX[m]1> I was able to get it replaced by the warranty
15:57:43 <spacekitty420[m]> \o/
15:57:51 <RavFX[m]1> fk rgb lol
15:58:02 <RavFX[m]1> it's all off in my systems
15:58:26 <spacekitty420[m]> min/maxing that solar thingy without rgb eh :3
15:59:20 <spacekitty420[m]> am a gamer tho so.... everything rgb, even computer case has the whole front panel with rgb pixel art :3
15:59:34 <spacekitty420[m]> even fucking mousepad has rgb
15:59:44 <RavFX[m]1> RGB change basically nothing for solar
15:59:44 <RavFX[m]1> I use mining to max out my solar actually (using it to dump excess power so I can produce more and dump more)
16:00:17 <RavFX[m]1> There is RGB contamination in my town too.
16:00:17 <RavFX[m]1> even parcs have RGB now
16:00:35 <spacekitty420[m]> i mean... still makes senses that turning it off would save a volt here and there tho
16:00:58 <spacekitty420[m]> s/volt/watt/
16:01:01 <RavFX[m]1> saving a few watts maybe yeah
16:01:50 <RavFX[m]1> Time to got breakfast out, in one of these place that accept only cash!
16:01:56 <RavFX[m]1> s/got/go/
16:02:08 <spacekitty420[m]> cheers :3
16:44:16 <dimmed6843[m]> What happened to that CypherTrace XMR Tracing patent? The only stuff I could find is old news articles about how they patented something and wanted to deanonymize users
16:44:26 <dimmed6843[m]> s/deanonymize/track/
16:44:49 <dimmed6843[m]> s/could/can/, s/deanonymize/track/
16:46:39 <spacekitty420[m]> patent dont mean shit and iirc it was just a probabilistic that only gives a certain percentage of certitude which doesnt actually work, they would just end up with a bunch of flalse positive, also, still waiting on the math guy cause they were full of shit on that interview with sarang, still up on youtube i think
16:47:52 <spacekitty420[m]> then there was the irs bounty which was also an other thing and been claimed by integra/chainalysis but not because of monero but because the bountry had LN in addition to monero so they claimed it only thanks to the LN part of the bounty
16:48:10 <rbrunner> If you ask me, we just don't know. People who know seem to keep quiet. Yeah, like spacekitty420[m] wrote, it's probably hot air, but they manage to keep that secret.
16:48:19 <spacekitty420[m]> so tldr: we still gucci
16:48:19 <spacekitty420[m]> also, that was while ring sig was still at 11 and since it went up to 16
16:50:31 <spacekitty420[m]> true, we actually don't know but overall it seems to still be pretty safe as the only cases that went public were due to other aspects of opsec rather than on-chain tracking
17:36:49 <xfedex[m]> <spacekitty420[m]> "patent dont mean shit and iirc..." <- It does work. I am pretty sure it does what it's meant to do perfectly.
17:36:49 <xfedex[m]> I guess that to avoid legal troubles websites pay CipherTrace to make sure that incoming Monero funds are not from illegal sources, CipherTrace says the XMR is always clean, and everyone is happy. It's a win-win.
17:39:34 <spacekitty420[m]> lots of ransomware been going around past few years, did they all get eipstein'ed after being tracked down by ciphertrace without any news coverage or what? math is not mathing...
17:40:16 <xfedex[m]> spacekitty420[m]: I didn't say they can actually trace XMR
17:41:33 <spacekitty420[m]> aight, fair enough i guess
17:41:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> "The xmr is always clean"
17:41:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Aka the tools is working 
17:42:19 <nioc> yes monero is working  :)
17:45:04 * Stnby[m] uploaded an image: (96KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/kernal.eu/zKChQbyMxutWqWCVxXKtBUBU/PXL_20221126_173648981.jpg >
17:50:11 <Torr> Stnby[m]: What's that kiddo?
17:50:14 <Stnby[m]> Portable Monero node
17:50:34 <Torr> Wooowww, nice.
17:50:37 <Torr> NIICEEE!!!
17:51:24 <nioc> :)
17:52:41 <Torr> I guess we can call him Xmradiant.
17:55:34 <Stnby[m]> Its Siren
17:55:35 <Stnby[m]> Decided to spin up free wifi AP
17:57:32 <Torr> Siren like this Sires -> Siren[m] ?
17:57:43 <Torr> Siren*
20:00:46 <ajs_[m]> retweet appreciated https://twitter.com/MoneroKon/status/1596594055101775873?s=20&t=cXDQf3f_UqbMU2W5adixkw
22:47:11 <escapethe3ra[m]> ajs_: posted a community message on MO^
22:54:40 <plowsof> retweeted x