03:18:05 <jason___1> hello and question. started mining a couple of days ago with the command line wallet. I set it to 64 threads (8 core cpu), roughly how long of mining should I expect on average to find my first block and .6 XMR? what command within the wallet do I use to find the hashrate?
03:20:25 <nioc> show_hr
03:20:41 <nioc> to stop the display use hide_hr
03:22:06 <nioc> at 10000H/s it will take 1 year on average
03:22:36 <jason___1> I'm using the linux cli wallet. digging through help, show_hr is not an available command
03:22:48 <nioc> let me check
03:23:18 <nioc> the command is for the daemon
03:23:44 <nioc> you don't need to keep the wallet open to mine
03:24:20 <jason___1> makes sense
03:26:08 <nioc> variance can be quite large on finding a block
03:30:40 <jason___1> smart mining at 1.24 kH/s, net hash 2.66 GH/s
03:31:13 <nioc> so 8 years  o_0
03:31:24 <jason___1> and this is on a fast cpu
03:31:54 <nioc> that's not fast
03:31:59 <nioc> what cpu?
03:32:44 <nioc> also you need 2MB L3 cache per thread
03:34:31 <nioc> would be better to use p2pool with the xmrig mining software
03:35:19 <nioc> higher HR for the same cpu and you get paid often, even if small amounts
03:36:16 <jason___1> ryzen 5000g series
03:36:51 <nioc> I have a 5600G
03:37:03 <jason___1> yeah sorry that's what mine is
03:37:17 <jason___1> I set 64 threads, set it lower?
03:37:29 <nioc> has 16MG L3 cash so 8 threads max
03:37:38 <jason___1> I'll try that
03:37:40 <nioc> it only has 12 threads
03:37:57 <nioc> I get 5k H/s but the daemon will be less
03:40:39 <nioc> I set 1 thread for each core in xmrig and run 6 threads which is almost as fast as 8 when you do 1 thread per core and I can still use the comp for light stuff with no impact
03:42:26 <nioc> I static OC it at 3800 and undervolt to keep it cool
09:31:53 <wormrobot> hi 
09:34:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://nohello.net/en/
09:46:23 <wormrobot> what do you mean no hello
09:48:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Read the website pls
09:48:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> "People who do this are generally trying to be polite by not jumping right into the request, like one would in person or on the phone - and that's great! But it's 2022 and chat is neither of those things. For most people, typing is much slower than talking. So despite best intentions, you're actually just making the other person wait for you to phrase your question, which is lost productivity (and kinda annoying)."
09:49:40 <Stnby[m]> Write, just like in E-mail.
09:49:54 <Stnby[m]> Hello,
09:49:54 <Stnby[m]> Kind Regards
09:49:54 <Stnby[m]> Stnby
09:50:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> "It may seem trivial, but asking your question before getting that initial salutatory reply also allows for asynchronous communication. If the other party is away, and you leave before they come back, they can still answer your question, instead of just staring at a "Hello" and wondering what they missed."
09:54:25 <wormrobot> also true, good point imo
09:54:43 <wormrobot> hows everyone doing?
10:05:31 <ceetee[m]> Hello wormrobot, I'm okey but slightly annoyed that people use the Monero room for smalltalk even though they were reminded to ask their question directly. Kind Regards, ct
10:08:05 <wormrobot> i was wondering why btc has a maximum supply of 21 million and monero is infinite 
10:09:31 <moneromoooo> To provide miner incentive forever.
10:14:33 <wormrobot> okay now it makes more sence, also the monero devs are super smart on how they decided on CPU mining instead of GPU
10:17:02 <wormrobot> because computers deal alot with memory and cpu, so idk why GPU crossed satoshis cpu lol
10:33:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> And btc supply fixed at 21m + fixed block size = every 4 years fees must increase exponentially OR the cost of production to drop exponentially. 
10:33:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> The cost to replace the reward on btc is around $50 fee/per tx at current prices. 
10:42:43 <wormrobot> great point i was looking at the halving chart not that long ago
11:24:52 <wormrobot> anyone knows how to fix this in monero-cli
11:24:54 <wormrobot> The wallet's refresh-from-block-height setting is higher than the daemon's height: this may mean your wallet will skip over transactions
11:36:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is your node fully synced?
11:36:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/monerosupport/comments/sok7qa/the_wallets_refreshfromblockheight_setting_is_too/
11:52:17 <moneromoooo> set refresh-from-block-height XXXX (set XXXX to whatever height mathces your wallet creation date if you know it, or earlier. 0 is always safe though wasteful).
11:52:20 <moneromoooo> Then rescan_bc
11:53:12 <moneromoooo> This happens when you create a wallet without a daemon available, so it guesses current height based on time. It is usually not off for mainnet. Was this a mainnet wallet ?
11:53:35 <moneromoooo> And is your system time correct ?
11:53:55 <moneromoooo> er, was your system time correct on the machine you created the wallet on, at the time you created it ?
13:04:29 <MrKrul[m]> .
13:04:57 <selsta> MrKrul[m]: just to confirm, your monero-blockchain-import.exe is located inside system32 folder?
13:05:06 <selsta> that's unusual
13:05:56 <MrKrul[m]> oh no that's just where windows cmd starts from
13:07:18 <selsta> in this screenshot it looks like you are inside system32 folder and are trying to call monero-blockchain-import from there
13:07:24 <selsta> https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/OEeadqEzHiZrplHtLJaDOOyU/Screenshot%20(4).png
13:09:28 <MrKrul[m]> i frist told cmd to go to the folder the import.exe file is located and the second command is to run it the C:\windows\system32> is there by default for i think where the cmd file is located 
13:10:21 <selsta> shouldn't it show the correct folder in the second line assuming the `cd` command worked?
13:10:31 <MrKrul[m]>  * I first told cmd to go to the folder the import.exe file is located and the second command is to run it the C:\\windows\\system32> is there by default for I think where the cmd file is located
13:10:51 <plowsof> good spot, user does not change to their desired directory and remains in system32 (spaces are not escaped Monero\ either)
13:11:27 <selsta> so far it looks like you didn't change folder correctly
13:11:51 <selsta> why not drag and drop monero-blockchain-import.exe directly into the cmd window then you don't have to change folder?
13:16:18 <MrKrul[m]> well i dont think it's that i am using the latest cmd version tho 
13:17:57 <MrKrul[m]> man i give up i will just import it from the app but it's pain since i don't know when it's going to use up 10 GB of data XD
13:20:04 <Katie[m]> Imagine using windows 
13:20:52 <selsta> MrKrul[m]: it's that, you are in the wrong directory
13:21:01 <selsta> you are trying to call monero-blockchain-import from system32
13:21:10 <Stnby[m]> Katie[m]: Ooh you meant the OS, not the actual window XDD
13:21:36 <Stnby[m]> * meant the MSDOS based OS, not
13:21:56 <qortz[m]> Katie[m]: Tails + Feather + own node = Love
13:22:33 <selsta> at least that's how it looks like on the screenshot
13:22:37 <Stnby[m]> qortz[m]: HaikuOS + 3 months no sleep trying to compile monero code base <3
13:23:02 <plowsof> yes, and now they "give up" and mention "10GB" out of nowhere
13:23:50 <Katie[m]> qortz[m]: I use arch (btw)
13:26:54 <plowsof> i get it now. "cmd.exe" is located in system32 - which they think is needed to launch executables. so,  whilst in system32, they (don't even type cmd.exe first) but try to run blockchain import from there (assuming theyve put it in sys32 already).
13:30:50 <Stnby[m]> <Katie[m]> "I use arch (btw)" <- Systemd peasant, get a real distro http://bugs.slitaz.org/?id=0%20/etc/passwd*
14:29:01 <spacekitty420[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> ""People who do this are generall..." <- or in other words: "am socially retarded and wished everyone were too" o.o
14:31:25 <moneromoooo> It'd certainly makes a lot of things easier.
14:34:48 <Mochi101> MrKrul[m], I think Win11 has a mode where only signed software will be run.
14:35:02 <Mochi101> This may be your problem.
14:35:09 <Mochi101> Win12?
14:35:17 <Mochi101> Whatever, the latest garbage from MS
14:35:43 <Mochi101> You have to specifically take it out of that mode.
14:36:29 <spacekitty420[m]> yikes, basically like what apple doing on their iphone with the whole "no sideloading apps", microsoft already removed by default showing extensions so people don't even know anymore what even is a `.exe` file.... guess it was a first step torward something like that... /facepalm
14:37:21 <Mochi101> MrKrul[m], https://www.thewindowsclub.com/this-mode-of-windows-only-runs-verified-apps-from-the-store
14:38:21 <Mochi101> s-mode s must be for stupid
14:39:12 <Mochi101> I guess MS wants to build their walled garden too
14:39:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Are you insulting windows users
14:39:37 <Mochi101> I use Windows every day.
14:39:40 <Stnby[m]> Mochi101: Guess? They have tried this sinvce it
14:39:47 <Stnby[m]> s/sinvce/since/, s/it/beginning/
14:39:59 <Mochi101> Stnby[m], no... not like Apple though.
14:40:14 <Stnby[m]> MacOS does the same shit literally
14:40:45 <Mochi101> Stnby[m], thank you for reinforcing my point.
14:40:55 <Stnby[m]> Ubuntu as well
14:41:25 <Stnby[m]> Windows, MacOS and Ubuntu participate in the same cancer mess
14:41:40 <Stnby[m]> * cancer mess, trying to restrict people in their ecosystem
14:42:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> I was about to say im starting to hate Ubuntu / canonical with their software center, snaps etc
14:42:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Breaking my frikken workflow
14:43:06 <Stnby[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I hate Ubuntu more than Windows at this point
14:43:06 <spacekitty420[m]> just doing ubuntu-server then manually apt install slim xfce4 for graphical interface thingy, also apt remove snaps then is all good u know
14:43:19 <Stnby[m]> spacekitty420[m]: Not anymore
14:43:21 <Stnby[m]> They started to remove packages from apt
14:43:32 <Stnby[m]> you are stuck with snap if you use Ubuntu
14:43:33 <spacekitty420[m]> oh right, firefox one of them i think
14:43:49 <Stnby[m]> spacekitty420[m]: Yeah, imagine even nmap is a snap by default now
14:43:54 <Stnby[m]> they are delusional
14:44:08 <spacekitty420[m]> yikes...
14:44:08 <Stnby[m]> apt install will install a snap by default
14:44:41 <moneromoooo> For the record, a snap is... some dockerized thing (with a docker equivalent), right ?
14:45:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stnby[m]: This
14:45:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> A lot of programs are missing from Ubuntu repos
14:46:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Added back in Linux mint etc, so im probably going back to mint when I need Ubuntu 
14:46:44 <Stnby[m]> I tried to create an Ubuntu vm to do some government stuff XD, guess what... https://www.id.ee/en/article/ubuntu-id-software-installation-updating-and-removal/
14:46:45 <Stnby[m]> > NB! Ubuntu 21.10 and 22.04 is installed by default as Firefox SNAP, in which the ID card cannot be used for online authentication and signing.
14:46:45 <Stnby[m]> > To resolve the situation in the Firefox browser with an ID card for authentication and signing on the web, you should install the regular version of Firefox, you can do this by writing commands:
14:46:45 <Stnby[m]> > (Removing Firefox SNAP will remove ALL users’ Firefox profiles. We recommend backing up Mozilla Firefox profiles before removing Firefox SNAP)
14:47:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> moneromoooo: A snap is a container, yeah.
14:47:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Like flatpak and others, but slow and centralized 
14:47:47 <Stnby[m]> Be it snap, flatpak or appimages they are all ignorant piece of shit
14:47:52 <moneromoooo> I'm reading up on it, doesn't seem like a bad idea from what wikipedia writes.
14:48:14 <moneromoooo> Looks like a compat layer between userland and kernelspace.
14:48:29 <Stnby[m]> They tried to reimplement https://nixos.org/guides/how-nix-works.html in a shitty way
14:48:34 <moneromoooo> I suppose it encourages people to run random binaries rather than building though.
14:48:47 <spacekitty420[m]> but wikipedia also saying that some people are "far right" even tho they're actually not so not sure if wikipedia a great source of accuracy for some stuff :hyperthonk:
14:48:54 <Stnby[m]> instead of bundling all of the dependencies in a shitty tar gz they should have went the Nix route
14:49:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Compare to flatpak though, and thats why snap is bad
14:49:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its canonical forcing their project, which seems inferior 
14:49:50 <Stnby[m]> Also dysfunctional. You cant use the damn ID cards with Ubuntus snaop firefox
14:49:53 <Stnby[m]> s/snaop/snap/
14:50:04 <Stnby[m]> They literally lost the entire government sector
14:50:18 <Stnby[m]> The only people who used Ubuntu in the first place
14:51:06 <Stnby[m]> Diarrhoea to GNU/Linux reputation 
14:51:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> A lot of features are broken, and there is 0 technical reason to ship the snap
14:52:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its just a backdoor
14:52:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> That comes with a worsened user experience 
14:52:23 <Stnby[m]> Linux mint is also doomed, if you have some noobie family member suggest them https://peppermintos.com/
14:53:15 <plowsof> i have snap, flatpak and docker installed , i don't know what im doing i just want to install things :'( 
14:53:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> I havent followed mint aside from using it occssionally, why doomed?
14:53:56 <nioc> mint also has debian
14:54:07 <spacekitty420[m]> ubuntu without snaps here cause host OS is just that, host for qemu/kvm and nothing installed so removed snaps there and then in vm, aint using firefox so don't need snap either o.o
14:55:59 <spacekitty420[m]> oh! was for league of legends, when was figuring the best way, tried snap... fucked the whole thing up so never again then did with lutris instead and i think it wasnt using snap, not sure tho
14:56:08 <Stnby[m]> nioc: thought it used Ubuntu as its base
14:56:35 <nioc> Stnby[m]: that's their main one but they have released one based on debian 
14:56:49 <spacekitty420[m]> thought mint was based on ubuntu as well, it's still debian based anyways
14:56:53 <Stnby[m]> I just had far less buggy experience with something that has nothing in common with Ubuntu
14:57:28 <Stnby[m]> Ive use Peppermint and Mint and Ubuntu and also had my family run all of these
14:57:46 <Stnby[m]> Peppermint apart from a language picker issue is just rock stable
14:58:16 <Stnby[m]> and the Desktop they thrown up together is also nicely made
14:58:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is pettermint Debian based?
14:58:56 <Stnby[m]> Yeah
14:59:36 <Stnby[m]> https://peppermintos.com/screenshots/
15:00:44 <Stnby[m]>  * https://peppermintos.com/screenshots/
15:00:44 <Mochi101> Stnby[m], I would use it if it just had 2 more color scheme. In this regard PeppermintOS is just too weak for me.
15:00:49 <Stnby[m]> > The desktop environment is xfce with the nemo file manager set as default, but you have the option to use thunar if you prefer.
15:01:31 <Stnby[m]> haha, I think it has more colors than what you see in the screenshot
15:01:41 <Mochi101> Pretty sad, could have been a good product.
15:02:34 <Stnby[m]> Void Linux is the daily driver
15:02:34 <xfedex[m]> What's wrong with just using Debian?
15:02:37 <Stnby[m]> I do not use it myself too much apart from a VM with bunch of weird software that I need for estonian eid
15:03:23 <Stnby[m]> Systemd XD
15:03:42 <Stnby[m]>  * Systemd XD and shitty DE options
15:03:52 <Stnby[m]>  * Systemd XD and shitty DE options/presets
15:03:53 <Stnby[m]>  * Systemd XD and shitty DE options/presets (for grandmas)
15:04:21 <xfedex[m]> Stnby[m]: Is GNOME bad?
15:04:34 <xfedex[m]> KDE plasma too?
15:04:49 <Mochi101> DE options?
15:04:53 <Mochi101> For Omas?
15:05:01 <xfedex[m]> debian is the base, you can install anything you want in it
15:09:13 <qortz[m]> <xfedex[m]> "What's wrong with just using..." <- Some people want to install a Linux Distro with cli like arch and gentoo
15:09:22 <Stnby[m]> I don't mind debian for my servers. First thing you do is replace systyemd-timesyncd with chrony. 2nd thing is you disable unattended-upgrades
15:12:08 <Stnby[m]> unattended-upgrades is a python script that takes 90% of RAM on small VPSs and ARM boards. Because some crackhead from Ubuntu
15:12:16 <Stnby[m]> * from Ubuntu decided to write in in damn Python
15:12:21 <Stnby[m]> * from Ubuntu decided to write it in damn Python
15:13:12 <Stnby[m]> Saw someone rant about this issue on their forums XD They simply don't care
15:19:00 <sech1> Don't run Ubuntu on small VPSs
15:20:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> alpharabius: 
15:21:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> sech1:  do you have a recommended os for vps
15:21:42 <sech1> It depends on what they allow you to install there
15:21:50 <sech1> Alpine Linux is very lightweight
15:22:05 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Debian for me
15:22:34 <Mochi101> Just use TempleOS
15:22:42 <Mochi101> All your problems will go away.
15:22:48 <alpharabius[m]> Valid
15:24:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> alpharabius:  Stop using shitcoins foo
15:27:02 <alpharabius[m]> My 10 dollars are gone
15:27:11 <alpharabius[m]> These rates are disgraceful
15:27:42 <alpharabius[m]> I would rather die
15:27:57 <alpharabius[m]> I am flabbergasted 
15:29:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> XMR to btc is Easy to see if youre getting ripped off...
15:29:58 <alpharabius[m]> I'm gonna sur
15:29:59 <alpharabius[m]> Sue
15:29:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just check xmr/btc rate on an exchange, then compare to the rate given by the swap
15:30:25 <alpharabius[m]> I got ripped off
15:30:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> BTC rates are always expensive af because it costs them money to move it
15:30:26 <alpharabius[m]> This is evident
15:30:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> No, its not evident 
15:30:44 <nioc> I thought you guys were going to -offtopic
15:30:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Algernon (Trocador.app):  and Morpheus:  are trusted members of the community 
15:30:59 <alpharabius[m]> 10 dollars? When i use changenow i only had to pay a penny or two at most
15:31:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Morph and trocador arenr in there 
15:31:25 <nioc> ah
15:31:35 <alpharabius[m]> * 10 dollars for a fee? When
15:31:59 <bananagirl[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: morphtoken swap is live again?
15:32:05 <bananagirl[m]> i thought it went offline
15:32:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Trocador.app (by Morpheus)
15:32:39 <bananagirl[m]> ahhh i see
15:32:41 <bananagirl[m]> thanks!
15:32:47 <bananagirl[m]> https://kycnot.me/exchange/morphtoken
15:32:50 <bananagirl[m]> thought u meant this
15:33:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> To shorten the solution: if you have your transaction details, contact support and find out what happened.
15:33:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> You probably just didnt check your rate and got what was advertised to you... 
15:34:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Without the tx details (should be in your browser history), nothing anybody can do except for giggle a little because you tried to get BTC and lost a bunch 
15:35:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you were dumping btc.. now... I think we'd have some sympathy
15:35:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> But you just donated to the "rebuild binances reserves" charity 
15:35:42 <alpharabius[m]> alpharabius[m]: The network fee was ONLY A DOLLAR
15:36:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Do you own the Bitcoin wallet in question? Or would you like to share the tx details 
15:37:04 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I own the wallet
15:37:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nobody is calling you a liar. Some people claimed majesticbank was ripping them off
15:37:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> So, you need to check what exchange gave you the rate and if you received what you were quoted 
15:43:45 <alpharabius[m]> Well i need 10 bucks after getting it drained so wut do
15:43:45 <alpharabius[m]> They're telling me it might be the node so i'll check
15:43:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Who, trocador?
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15:43:46 <alpharabius[m]> What i spent vs what i recieved
15:43:46 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I don't think so idk
15:43:46 <alpharabius[m]> The exchange is saying they only got 0.112 xmr
15:43:46 <MajesticBank> ofrnxmr[m]: ?
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15:45:48 <Mochi101> Was a reddit post or something awhile back MajesticBank 
15:46:42 <MajesticBank> you can always claim something is bad, but without proof you are just waiting time
15:46:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Majestic is not even listed for a swap of 0.19xmr > BTC.
15:46:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> You should have received 0.00155+ xmr, and I imagine your tx went through exch or Fixedfloat 
15:47:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oh
15:47:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> You're using mymonero 😆
15:47:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Did you restore your wallet? Dont you have to pay for that 
15:47:24 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: What does that mean
15:47:45 <alpharabius[m]> alpharabius[m]: And does anyone have 0.09 xmr
15:47:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> alpharabius[m]: Why would you use such an app
15:48:00 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Pay to restore??
15:48:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> alpharabius[m]: You wanna get banned, dont you
15:48:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^ there was a bunch of fud, but it all seems to be user error or false claims 
15:48:25 <Mochi101> alpharabius[m], I lost all my XMR in a terrible Yachting accident.
15:48:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^
15:48:58 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Cake wallet takes too long to sync and monerujo just doesn't load
15:49:11 <aremor[m]> Mochi101: Several. Over periods of months 
15:49:11 <Mochi101> man
15:49:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> alpharabius[m]: Do you even monero 
15:49:27 <alpharabius[m]> <alpharabius[m]> "Screenshot_20221128_100933.jpg" <- I put in 0.112 xmr and they take 0.19
15:49:55 <MajesticBank> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/362
15:50:07 <aremor[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: How do people even find that thing?
15:50:14 <MajesticBank> comment / upvote
15:50:32 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Every time i try to sync with cake wallet it restarts or doesn't even connect
15:50:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Maybe if you ran a node IR even used a real wallet people would consider your ccs proposal 
15:50:36 <bananagirl[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: is mymonero bad ? I am using feather and monerujo for on the go spendings
15:50:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mymonero stores youre view keys and costs money to give up your view keys 
15:51:15 <endogenic> well you can still use mymonero the client if you dont want to give up your viewkey
15:51:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Post that in community. .
15:51:38 <bananagirl[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: ouch 
15:51:51 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I ran a node on my old pc
15:52:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Alpha clearly just downloaded convenience and didnt read the disclaimer 
15:52:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> You didnt get ripped off by anybody 
15:52:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> You paid for mymonero service 
15:52:41 <alpharabius[m]> So the lesson is that mymonero sucks?
15:52:52 <endogenic> no
15:53:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> No, the lesson is run your own node or Smh @ you
15:53:29 <endogenic> you can run monero-lws and use mymonero still if you want remote scanning
15:53:30 <aremor[m]> alpharabius[m]: Running your own node might help 
15:53:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can use mymonero + lws = your own node for free
15:53:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> aremor:  nah, alpha wants us to pay him to run nodes for us
15:53:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> But he doesnt even use monero as designed 
15:54:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> No what?
15:54:11 <Mochi101> not everybody will, or has the resources to do that ofrnxmr[m] 
15:54:12 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Wdym
15:54:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mymonero is a third party backend server hosted BT a centralized entity
15:54:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> bananagirl[m]: Yeah, its a new wallet 
15:54:50 <bananagirl[m]> anyone heard of anonero ? 
15:54:52 <bananagirl[m]> * speaking of wallets: has anyone heard
15:55:16 <alpharabius[m]> Mochi101: Like me
15:55:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mochi101: Why not? He has internet?
15:55:42 <Mochi101> ofrnxmr[m], there are even places in the USA that are still on metered internet.
15:55:52 <endogenic> because it's harder, obviously
15:56:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> I run my node on android. .........
15:56:09 <Mochi101> ofrnxmr[m], the world as you see it is not the case for everybody
15:56:27 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: My pc and android don't even have the space for a pruned node
15:56:28 <endogenic> Mochi101: then that means that person doesnt see
15:56:41 <Mochi101> yeah
15:56:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> 25kbps is all I need
15:56:52 <alpharabius[m]> Internet isn't the problem
15:56:54 <alpharabius[m]> Space is more the problen
15:58:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Excuses, excuses 
15:58:27 <alpharabius[m]> alpharabius[m]: I barely have enough space for a pruned node, or even a phone i don't use that i can run a node on
15:58:50 <Mochi101> Just buy a $1200 computer so that you can store your $200 worth of Monero and use it correctly... easy... right ofrnxmr[m] ?
15:59:26 <Mochi101> Just don't be poor.
15:59:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> I have an old phone from 2015 running android 7.1 with a 64gb SD card that I got for $20
15:59:54 <Mochi101> yeah yeah ofrnxmr[m] 
16:00:05 <Mochi101> Good for you.
16:00:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont even have a computer 
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16:00:23 <endogenic> the ol' $150 ebay thinkpad with an sd card does work
16:00:48 <Mochi101> Maybe he lives in Pakistan
16:00:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Android does it for less power costs ^ and lower device cost ^
16:00:54 <alpharabius[m]> Do i look like i'm made of xmr?
16:01:00 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Regarding internet, in some countries 1 GB of mobile internet costs $10 and free wifi isn't common.
16:01:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or in my case, almost free 
16:01:10 <Mochi101> Or in some little town in Africa somewhere.
16:01:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> But alpha is in USA and wants to host the monero source code for us 
16:01:26 <alpharabius[m]> Internet rlly isn't the problem
16:01:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> But cant be bothered to run a node 
16:01:29 <alpharabius[m]> I live in mid atlantic us
16:01:40 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I could run a node
16:01:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Could > will
16:01:58 <alpharabius[m]> I wanted to multiple times and told you guys about it
16:02:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> And I told you multiple tines to do it
16:02:09 <alpharabius[m]> I'm just not in a good situation
16:02:18 <alpharabius[m]> *would
16:02:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> I understand...... lol a lot of us arent
16:02:57 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Scrolled up but can't find the details. If you want to backup Monero source code, would Archive.org work? Or setup a torrent (many Linux distros are available as torrents for example)?
16:03:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> He has a ccs proposal
16:03:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/361
16:05:14 <Mochi101> hmmm
16:06:33 <MajesticBank> there was recently ccs proposal for code storage on decentralized networks
16:06:36 <alpharabius[m]> anarkiocrypto[m]: >Archive.org
16:06:36 <alpharabius[m]> >Censors media
16:06:36 <alpharabius[m]> >American
16:06:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> MajesticBank: And they took the money and ran
16:07:01 <Mochi101> I thought this was just about him running a node for his wallet... sorry.
16:07:02 <Mochi101> :)
16:07:25 <alpharabius[m]> The guy plowsof was talking about to me?
16:07:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its about finding out he doesnt even use nodes, he used potentially  fingerprintable transactions and doesnt even know how mymonero works
16:08:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> So, how can I support funding a trusted repo, when the person doesnt even use the blockchain
16:08:13 <MajesticBank> ^sadly and exactly
16:08:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> And is accusing Morpheus and others of ripping him off
16:09:27 <Mochi101> my bad... I thought you guys were giving him a hard time because he didn't have the resources for a wallet
16:09:32 <anarkiocrypto[m]> I wonder if Monero node operators could also share the current Monero source code as a torrent. Then you would just need to find one node, and you can download Monero-CLI or Monero-GUI from it. For trust purposes, the source code could be signed (as it is currently) by a trusted community member.
16:10:22 <Mochi101> who would sign it?
16:10:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nono.. I went ray/alpha to succeed, but he just keep coming with schemes to make money and not doing any legwork
16:10:33 <Mochi101> ah yeah
16:12:04 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I'm willing to do legwork ofc
16:12:52 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I wasn't accusing, i was just confused on what was going on bcuz of the fee i had to pay
16:12:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> You used mymonero and didnt even read the disclaimer 
16:13:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats 2 shortcuts leading to fud
16:13:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> You took 2 shortcuts* which lead* to fud
16:15:03 <anarkiocrypto[m]> If you want a good wallet for desktop, I would recommend Feather Wallet (uses remote nodes). If you need a web wallet, Spirobel is working on a non-custodial browser wallet.
16:15:22 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Stopped using MyMonero around 2018 when it started to block Tor...
16:17:23 <alpharabius[m]> anarkiocrypto[m]: I need mobile
16:17:57 <anarkiocrypto[m]> AFAIK, both Cake and Monerujo work with remote nodes.
16:18:18 <anhdres[m]> anarkiocrypto[m]: yes they do
16:19:42 <anarkiocrypto[m]> A skip sync feature would be great, if you know you didn't receive any TXs since last time you opened the wallet (especially if you open your wallet once per month, you could save 300+ MB with skip sync).
16:20:24 <Morpheus[m]> If someone has a problem with any Trocador swap, please get in touch with us by email, we'll work to solve issues
16:20:40 <Morpheus[m]> Customer satisfaction is top objective for us
16:22:55 <Morpheus[m]> Trocador just relay rates from the exchanges to the user, so if the user gets ripped by any of the exchanges (let's say, some exchange lie in the rate and deliver less than promised) please let us know 
16:23:29 <Morpheus[m]> Our job is to defend the user and give space for the best exchanges, and provide best rates while also delivering privacy
16:23:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> endogenic:  can you share when you last can confirm that mymonero was charging the fee? 
16:24:08 <Morpheus[m]> Defending the user is the main objective
16:24:32 <endogenic> my control of and access to mymonero code and infra was cut 3 yrs ago. hell i was literally banned / censored from commenting on the mymonero github repos after my feedback was solicited on a PR there haha
16:25:15 <endogenic> it'd be hilarious if it werent so sad
16:25:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont use it, so im not sure 
16:26:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> I tried it a few times with lws, but it was still connecting to mymonero and sending my view keys there... God fixed, but smh
16:26:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Got* fixed
16:26:25 <endogenic> haha
16:26:28 <endogenic> lame as f
16:26:55 <endogenic> *endogenic has been banned from #monero*
16:27:27 <endogenic> *for disrupting shady back room deals and abuse*
16:27:38 <endogenic> *return to your normal activities*
16:27:47 <endogenic> keep shopping
16:28:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> You didnt get banned, did you? 
16:29:01 <endogenic> yes i did
16:29:18 <endogenic> with witnesses too hah
16:29:21 <endogenic> it's amazing
16:29:31 <endogenic> tyranny often operates in the open
16:29:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> How are YOU supposed to lead ME when you have no conviction, beat around the bush, and whine about old news 
16:29:54 <endogenic> wut
16:29:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Instead of working on the future 
16:30:01 <endogenic> get off irc
16:30:03 <endogenic> and go work
16:30:09 <endogenic> this is my advice to you
16:30:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> You're whining 
16:30:20 <endogenic> you're scared
16:30:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> * Please stop
16:30:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Please stoo
16:30:33 <endogenic> and look, you asked me
16:30:40 <endogenic> so you are now on my naughty list
16:30:43 <endogenic> coal for you
16:30:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont need advice from you
16:30:49 <endogenic> uh
16:30:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Youre scared, Mr beat around the bush and then scurry into a hole 
16:30:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Peek his head out to snarl and then run away agaib
16:31:03 <moneromoooo> jesus, fuck off already...
16:31:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> 🙏 sorry moo
16:33:13 <aremor[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "^ there was a bunch of fud..." <- Have you ever exchanged there and received what you were originally quoted?
16:33:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Never used majestic.
16:33:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> I have used trocador 
16:33:51 <alpharabius[m]> Ok guys i'm back
16:34:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> I may have used majestic once... months ago. I dont remember now though
16:34:31 <alpharabius[m]> Turns out i had a vps burning a hole in my wallet with enough space to run a node
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16:35:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Are you using the termux node script?
16:36:36 <alpharabius[m]> Nah, i ssh'd into a vps i didn't use and had a couple months left on it
16:36:40 <nioc> 37% abttery?  in china that will go against your credit score 
16:36:46 <nioc> *battery
16:36:57 <alpharabius[m]> Is the script compatible with old pcs? ofrnxmr: 
16:37:11 <alpharabius[m]> + it's an onion node
16:37:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not atm.
16:37:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> XMR.sh and monero-bash should be
16:37:42 <Katie[m]> nioc: Way too much phone usage -1000 social credit 
16:38:17 <nioc> I was talking financial credit 
16:38:28 <nioc> shows that you are not responsible
16:38:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> alpharabius[m]: Syncing your wallet to the onion will be very slow ~ 700kbps
16:38:34 <nioc> it's a real thing
16:39:32 <anarkiocrypto[m]> I only use onion nodes. My average internet speed seems to be around 200 kbps which is fine for me.
16:39:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> If in home, I sync over lan
16:39:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> I only use onions when im bit at home
16:40:58 <aremor[m]> <anarkiocrypto[m]> "I wonder if Monero node operator..." <- 💡
16:41:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> The release code =/= the latest branch or carry pr's etc
16:45:23 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Gitea on a regular VPS can be configured to automatically mirror Github/Gitlab repos.
16:45:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Pretty much what the runaway ccs did
16:47:26 <alpharabius[m]> I'm thinking about slashing the amount of xmr needed for the library ccs
16:47:52 <alpharabius[m]> What would you guys recommend
16:48:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> 0
16:48:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Do it for free 
16:48:32 <alpharabius[m]> Guys or woguys or theyguys or wtv
16:49:00 <alpharabius[m]> I wish
16:49:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wownero doesnt get paid to mirror the repo
16:49:25 <aremor[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Never used majestic.
16:49:25 <aremor[m]> > I have used trocador 
16:49:25 <aremor[m]> Ok. I ask people that simple question, and no one has ever told me they received equal to or more than they were quoted. It’s always been less. I wouldn’t call anything FUD without knowing it was FUD
16:49:44 <anarkiocrypto[m]> If he needs to rent a storage VPS for this, it would be good at least to receive donations or use Plowsof's fundraiser script, so that he doesn't need to spend $40~/month out-of-pocket.
16:51:28 <alpharabius[m]> Especially considering i have no job
16:51:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> If it doesnt have evidence, its FUD by definition.. fud is an acronym
16:51:28 <alpharabius[m]> anarkiocrypto[m]: This
16:51:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> anarkiocrypto: the last ccs was 1 xmr
16:51:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Were not wasting money paying people to do useless tasks 
16:51:58 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: The last one was a scam, and i have no relation to it
16:52:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its mirrored in multiple places already 
16:52:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://git.wownero.com/monero-project/monero
16:52:17 <anarkiocrypto[m]> 1 XMR could pay for a year for a regular VPS or a few months of a storage VPS (100+ GB).
16:52:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah, and we got a few weeks
16:52:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Doesn't matter. It was a pointless ccs that shoyldnt have been funded
16:52:43 <alpharabius[m]> And don't forget there was a whole Library part of the ccs too
16:53:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> It was, because of the low amount. Not because it was a good idea
16:53:34 <plowsof> rayatina has publicy alluded to 'wanting' to host 'controversial' religious books / santioned FOSS software and being raided twice by the feds. not to mention admitting being 14 years old 
16:53:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> And ray has no actual plan to make any of thus happen
16:53:53 <anarkiocrypto[m]> If you don't need to archive historical releases, a regular VPS would be enough (even a $12/year deal if you can find one).
16:54:17 <nioc> aremor[m]: nobody says when they received too much  lol  
16:54:20 <nioc> I once worked as a cashier 
16:54:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anarkio, $12 per month and he should set it up on his iwb
16:54:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Prove he can even do it
16:54:33 <anarkiocrypto[m]> His age isn't his fault. I learned programming when I was a teenager (but Bitcoin was very new and Monero didn't exist yet).
16:54:57 <plowsof> the ccs is a cruel process , not for a 14 year old 
16:55:04 <nioc> and few will take the time to say it worked as expected
16:55:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> His sugar intake is his fault 
16:55:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> He's had 36 different ideas in the past 24 or 25 days
16:55:25 <anarkiocrypto[m]> For "controversial" books, torrents already work.
16:55:29 <aremor[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: There’s been so many post about it on Reddit, there is plenty of evidence. From multiple different people. Over long periods of time. 
16:55:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Evidence like a screenshot of a before and after 
16:55:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> With the actual from exchange rate 
16:56:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> I have seen nothing but talk and nobody around here can confirm any of it
16:56:34 <alpharabius[m]> plowsof: Hosting controversial religious books wasn't exactly what i yearn to host, just something that might be part of what's hosted. Anything specifically outlawed by the moldovan government and encourages any harm wilk be outlawed
16:56:37 <alpharabius[m]> *will
16:56:53 <alpharabius[m]> * Hosting controversial religious books wasn't exactly what i yearn to host, just something that might be part of what's hosted. Anything specifically outlawed by the moldovan government and encourages any harm wilk be deleted
16:56:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Subject to who's approval / judgement 
16:57:08 <plowsof> CCS isn't getting involved with anything like that 
16:57:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> I might like Gore, Gore like like Epstein 
16:57:15 <nioc> $12/mo is only only 8 deposit bottles a day, surely you can collect that
16:57:35 <aremor[m]> nioc: In this case, no one is saying they received their correct change 
16:57:54 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: What?
16:58:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Were not funding something completely non monero related that is a textbook experimental
16:58:27 <aremor[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: All that was posted on Reddit. 
16:59:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Pics or it didnt happen 
16:59:44 * aremor[m] going afk to go enjoy the BlockFi news on Twitter
17:00:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> In this case, links. 
17:00:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> I remember a lot of stuff got deleted but I also remember majestic is still here 
17:00:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> In this chat, right now
17:00:10 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Maybe something like SatoshiBox could work (and would be more relevant to Monero). People upload files and users can pay x Monero to the uploader to download them. Also good for musicians, authors, software devs or a Patreon-like platform. But I remember seeing something like this already in Reddit.
17:00:38 <aremor[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: You can find it on r/monero if you want. I don’t feel obligated to do it. It’s all there. 
17:00:39 <aremor[m]> If people care they can look it up. It doesn’t really affect me
17:00:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anark. I think you should mentor alpharabius: 
17:01:26 <alpharabius[m]> <plowsof> "the ccs is a cruel process , not..." <- How is it cruel
17:01:51 <spacekitty420[m]> yo wtf, just watched an hour episode and took me like 20 whole minutes just to catch up on this chat.... yall so chatty up in here today like what in the fuck o.o
17:01:53 <aremor[m]> I now boycott orangefren.com because there’s been so many episodes of that person listing MB, then removing, then adding, then removing, that now I equally don’t trust orangefren.com and I recommend trocador when given the opportunity
17:01:53 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I've been looking for a mentor dkr weeks
17:02:12 <alpharabius[m]> *for
17:02:25 <plowsof> @aremor orangefren is a javascript with referral codes 
17:02:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> anarkiocrypto:  wont employ you, but seems to have some advice for you
17:02:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof: Does it work without js over onion? Or the onion uses js 
17:03:07 <spacekitty420[m]> <anarkiocrypto[m]> "For "controversial" books..." <- right, probably could find "mein kempf" in torrent
17:03:12 <plowsof> its a javascript, trocador is an actual back end api 
17:03:42 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: 🥲
17:04:03 <aremor[m]> plowsof: Orangefren has an operator that is very active on r/monero and has made the actions I described 
17:04:27 <aremor[m]> That goes by u/orangefren
17:04:39 <plowsof> you're not going to stir any fud here, take it elsewhere  
17:05:12 <plowsof> majesticbank bad orengefren bad, thank you for the information 
17:05:14 <anarkiocrypto[m]> I can barely earn $200/month for rent... I am not the right person to mentor someone (not skilled nor successful)... If I had more money, I would be happy to hire people to improve/work on Bitejo (especially marketing and management) but I almost lost my apartment this month...
17:05:51 <alpharabius[m]> I heard about bitejo online and it seems like something i'd like to work on
17:06:18 <anarkiocrypto[m]> But if you know (or are willing to learn) C++, frontend design or maybe graphics, NeroShop has some paid bounties: https://matrix.to/#/#neroshop:matrix.org
17:06:23 <aremor[m]> plowsof: Orangefren poles exchangers for quotes. The MB quote is 100% of the time inaccurate in only one direction, the direction that pays out less. But again, people should do their own research on r/monero 
17:06:41 <alpharabius[m]> anarkiocrypto[m]: 200 for rent???? My mum lives in a mouse infested apartment and we pay almost 2k
17:06:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is that orangefren giving bad quotes, or majestic? aremor: 
17:07:04 <spacekitty420[m]> alpharabius: that's because you're in usa
17:07:13 <anarkiocrypto[m]> I don't live in the US. But still find it difficult to earn this money...
17:07:21 <alpharabius[m]> spacekitty420[m]: Makes sense
17:08:38 <aremor[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Orangefren works well with every other exchanger and frequently delists MB…. So you tell me….
17:08:57 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Alpha – Are you interested in learning programming? Maybe it could be interesting for you and you could work on some Monero ecosystem projects (C++ for NeroShop, Java for Haveno, there are also some Go, Python and JavaScript projects).
17:09:11 <aremor[m]> I just can’t figure out why the guy keeps adding it back
17:09:43 <alpharabius[m]> anarkiocrypto[m]: I'm looking to learn and join a project
17:09:43 <spacekitty420[m]> anyways, yall pissing me off being all like tryna compare orangefen with trocador (even on reddit....) when times and times again it's been said that it's 2 completely different services, orangefren just being an aggregator of swap exchanges while trocador does the whole proxy thing between them and user so don't even have to leave the website (and no js)
17:09:43 <aremor[m]> But like I said, I gave up trying to figure that out. Orangefren is a tier 2 service now
17:09:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Morpheus:  and MajesticBank:  are right here. Why havent I heard any first hand complaints here?
17:09:46 <alpharabius[m]> Keep me occupied for the winter yk
17:10:02 <alpharabius[m]> alpharabius[m]: Maybe even make pocket money for a rainy day
17:10:09 <anarkiocrypto[m]> You could join this room for example: https://matrix.to/#/#neroshop:matrix.org C++ is a useful language to learn in general.
17:10:46 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Or if you want to try Java, Haveno still has some bounties: https://matrix.to/#/#haveno:haveno.network
17:10:55 <spacekitty420[m]> penumbra also has bounties (haveno fork)
17:11:13 <aremor[m]> spacekitty420[m]: Because not everyone cares for or needs a proxy.  And if that is the case, they are far more similar 
17:11:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> How so? Trocador is a proxy
17:12:03 <aremor[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Because Reddit is more accessible?
17:12:14 <plowsof> trocador has deprecated orangefren 
17:12:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> So if trocador shows you the wrong rate Morpheus:  and MajesticBank:  get to battle it out 
17:13:00 <alpharabius[m]> anarkiocrypto[m]: I have barely any knowledge when it comes to those languages, i mainly work on stuff like system administration
17:13:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> I doubt majestic is going to feed Morpheus lies.
17:13:34 <alpharabius[m]> alpharabius[m]: I can learn though
17:14:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Morpheus is the one who gets all the Blame for the trade, since its done through trocador (proxy) without ever interacting with the actual swap site.
17:14:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> What trocador shows you, is what you should expect 
17:14:52 <spacekitty420[m]> ofrnxmr: the whole majestic drama about and admin account getting fully nuked or some shit, can't even remember the details, whatever, but is that none of it actually been addressed properly then mb just was like all rude and whatnot in here when asked just to clarify it, it's basically been swept under the rug ever since
17:15:09 <spacekitty420[m]> s/and/an/
17:15:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> And im leaving it up to Morpheus to know if it happens on his platform 
17:15:50 <aremor[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Both can be used to find exchange rates……
17:16:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Trocador does the exchange for you
17:16:15 <aremor[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Same as orangefren did 
17:16:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Orsngefren sends you to their website with a referral code
17:16:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or am i crazy again
17:16:41 <aremor[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: If only doubts were guarantees 
17:16:55 <alpharabius[m]> I might abandon the ccs and trying to take on a mentorship or apprenticeship
17:17:11 <spacekitty420[m]> aremor[m]: difference is with orangefren you leaving the website to go to fixedfloat's website for example then there's all those embed trackers and all that stuff, is same as saying, why would u use xmr if you can just use btc
17:17:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> And Fixedfloat can show you whatever they want. We dont know who Fixedfloat is
17:18:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Morpheus has to honor what his site shows you, so he has to go after anyone that screws around 
17:18:13 <aremor[m]> spacekitty420[m]: I actually forgot about that part 
17:18:59 <aremor[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Orsngefren sends you to their website with a referral code
17:18:59 <aremor[m]> > Or am i crazy again
17:19:00 <aremor[m]> You can get the quote within orangefren 
17:19:34 <spacekitty420[m]> ikr, it's like in real world, some of the most fucked up shit happens then 3 days later everyone already forgot so the gov entities and whatnot can jsut push it further and further everytime cause everyone just forget anyways
17:19:46 <aremor[m]> spacekitty420[m]: Yes. Which isn’t really relevant. The issue is that the quote is a lie. 
17:20:05 <spacekitty420[m]> mb's quote isnt accurate?
17:20:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Again.. the quote on majestic might lie to you, but is it lying to Morpheus?
17:20:23 <aremor[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: FF does honor though. Unlike another service 
17:20:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Orangefren* honors Fixedfloat
17:20:35 <plowsof> FixedFloat offers a fixed rate and a floating rate 
17:20:40 <spacekitty420[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: probably would, that's not a selective scam, well, wouldnt think so
17:21:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Right? Lying to Morpheus is just asking to get exposed extremely fast 
17:21:27 <aremor[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I have not used Trocador. Yet I still recommend it over orangefren at this point for the stated reasons 
17:21:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> People like myself and Monerobull and spacekitty use trocador 
17:21:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Alpha just used it, which is why I said "show me" 
17:21:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because if he got ripped off, we'd have a problem.
17:21:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> But he didnt. So we dont.
17:22:04 <spacekitty420[m]> been shilling trocador but actually havent used it just yet o.o
17:22:39 <aremor[m]> spacekitty420[m]: Over the clear scam 
17:23:32 <spacekitty420[m]> regularly checking the quotes since launch tho, just in case nothing shady going around, just not going through the actual trade
17:24:27 <monerobull[m]> Use mine on monerosupplies.com to give me 5 cents of commission/s
17:24:43 <spacekitty420[m]> aremor: so to do a tldr of the situation, you saying that majestic showing the wrong quote but in your opinion, is an issue with majestic, not trocador, right?
17:25:24 <aremor[m]> Maybe saw the page 1 time. But been watching as the community has been hyping Trocador. Haven’t seen any complaints.  The complete opposite when it comes to OF + MB
17:25:35 <monerobull[m]> monerobull[m]: It's referral not commission*
17:26:28 <plowsof> there was a reddit post where someone used many swappers and listed the quote + received , i'd have to look
17:27:07 <nioc> why use a swap service instead of a non kyc exchange and send your own txs
17:27:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Personally, never had an issue with Fixedfloat or exch 
17:27:16 <spacekitty420[m]> aremor[m]: right, like, not to trashtalk OF or anything but that's just been my own opinion, even tho they been active on reddit and such, everytime there was an issue with a quote, for some reason i always felt like that was just something shady from OF's part, not saying they shady or anything tho, just how i perceived it everytime they had an issue like that
17:27:26 <plowsof> is this a fixed rate or a floating rate issue (FF definitely lets you pay extra for a fixed rate)
17:27:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont use majestic because the rate is not 0.5 or 1%, its some random floating number... I think
17:28:23 <aremor[m]> nioc: Speed
17:28:31 <spacekitty420[m]> nioc: too much hassle registering, then making a new single use email everytime then setting up 2FA everytime... like, sure, tradeogre is great but if wanting each tx not to be linked to eachothers, swap exchanges are more ideal imo
17:28:55 <spacekitty420[m]> and speed too yeah
17:28:55 <plowsof> houdini has left the chat 
17:28:55 <aremor[m]> nioc: You know one that does not reuse addresses?
17:28:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> nioc:  confirmation times
17:29:11 <nioc> yes, convince, always pay for that 
17:29:21 <bananagirl[m]> aremor[m]: is there a non kyc exchange for monero ? only kucoin and ogre rigtht?
17:29:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Swap sites typically accept the deposit after 1-2 conf
17:29:36 <aremor[m]> plowsof: OF says he tried their various different APIs and couldn’t get a combination where the quote was coming back correctly 
17:30:07 <nioc> aremor[m]: deposit adresses?  no
17:30:08 <qortz[m]> bananagirl[m]: Swap sites, bisq, localmonero, tradeogre
17:31:12 <plowsof> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/xefo69/testing_btcxmr_exchangers_results_part_1/ @aremor please complete the experiment
17:32:04 <aremor[m]> plowsof: I can probably take a look today or tomorrow 
17:32:17 <plowsof> oh right, shotgun kyc from fixedfloat - i forgot 
17:32:25 <nioc> is someone really tracking monero deposits to a single address?
17:32:31 <bananagirl[m]> plowsof: incognito is useless as there is almost no liqudity there
17:32:49 <aremor[m]> nioc: What about the other currency?
17:33:06 <bananagirl[m]> qortz[m]: yeah but i meant regular exchanges and not swaps :(
17:33:43 <spacekitty420[m]> aremor[m]: the quote is changing very quickly on fixedfloat, been using it for a long time now (even few days ago for an LTC > XMR to which they sent me even more xmr that was originally intended thanks to the floating option), only issue with them imo is when they disable buying monero cause binance being shady closing withdrawals and they get their liquditity from there and that one time a bisq user got their funds locked up
17:33:44 <nioc> aremor[m]: I am assuming that people only have monero and need another currency for some reason  :D
17:34:10 <plowsof> FF has the luxury of javascript to display / update a value i think right?
17:34:19 <spacekitty420[m]> right
17:34:50 <bananagirl[m]> plowsof: yeah :(
17:34:59 <aremor[m]> spacekitty420[m]: Exactly. They fluctuate in both directions. There’s no reports of that for MB on OF
17:35:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> The liquidity is literally because these exchanges have their own reserves 
17:35:26 <Morpheus[m]> <aremor[m]> "I have not used Trocador. Yet..." <- We just relay the rates that the exchanges sends us when we create the request
17:35:27 <plowsof> i would just avoid OF simply due to it being js 
17:35:27 <bananagirl[m]> ff will block the swap if you obfuscate your fingerprint
17:35:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> They have to go to binance to replenish them, but Binance also goes to them and empties them out 
17:35:49 <Morpheus[m]> Is it hard to understand that we can't know for sure if the exchange will obey by that they promised to deliver?
17:36:07 <Morpheus[m]> Just use a different exchange from the list if you dont like one
17:36:13 <nioc> SHUM
17:36:16 <bananagirl[m]> plowsof: of= orangefriends right?
17:36:33 <Morpheus[m]> s/that/what/
17:36:45 <nioc> #monero-maxi
17:36:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> If there is a problem, we can contact you and you'll contact the exchange though, yea, yea? Morpheus: 
17:36:57 <aremor[m]> nioc: I haven’t tested this, but I wonder when you do a withdrawal of btc from TO if the source address is that same address that is hard coded to your account.  If so, you’re fucked. 
17:37:12 <Morpheus[m]> We will implement next month a way to detect and auto adjust rates based on past trades in each exchange
17:37:24 <Morpheus[m]> But that is not implemented yet
17:37:36 <nioc> aremor[m]: don't know, usually it's from their address
17:37:40 <aremor[m]> Essentially TO is the same as using bitcoin directly at that point. Yeah it’s pseudononymous, not anonymous
17:37:55 <Morpheus[m]> As of now we still rely on what each exchange sends as response of the request
17:38:00 <bananagirl[m]> Morpheus[m]: the only exchange that does not have paper monero afaik is kraken qwq
17:38:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> If the rate shows 1BTC to be paid but the person received 0.9btc, does trocador know?
17:38:49 <Morpheus[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: We can implement that, but as of now we still rely on the user complaining
17:38:52 <nioc> tracking btc they know it's from a certain exchange so I assumed, maybe incorrectly, that it was an address of the exchange
17:39:18 <nioc> s/an/the
17:39:18 <Morpheus[m]> We will implement a rating system of the "average divergence" for each exchange
17:39:51 <Morpheus[m]> It on our plans to implement that
17:39:55 <aremor[m]> Morpheus[m]: 100% understood. But when it becomes obvious that some exchange is flat out shady, a delisting may be in order 
17:40:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah. Would be good if
17:40:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> User input 1xmr
17:40:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> should receive 3.5 ltc
17:40:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Api shows swapped received 1xmr but is sending 3.3ltc = less then quoted = flag 
17:40:29 <nioc> I just assume that anytime I use btc it is tracked 
17:41:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Swapped > swap site
17:41:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Flag > query exchange rate again = compare = punish if bot accurate 
17:41:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not*
17:41:39 <nioc> when using btc you not only do you have to consider what today's tracking is possible but what is possible in the future 
17:42:05 <Morpheus[m]> Some trades the user loses a small %, some trades he wins a %... so the average the exchange must be around  0%. If some exchange shows discrepancy, we will be able to show the user this
17:42:34 <nioc> retroactive 
17:42:38 <bananagirl[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "I dont use majestic because..." <- isnt majestic in this chat? can they explain their rates?
17:42:41 <Morpheus[m]> * Users must understand that we can't know for sure if the exchange will obey by what they promised to deliver?
17:43:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> They are, and they've said "show proof" and nobody has shown any on matrix/irc where the proof cant be deleted
17:43:38 <Morpheus[m]> * Users must understand that we can't know for sure if the exchange will obey by what they promised to deliver
17:43:52 <Morpheus[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "If there is a problem, we can..." <- Yes, users must tell us
17:44:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> And Morpheus, I presume, hasnt received any complaints about majestic, so who am I to judge what I cant see?
17:44:58 <spacekitty420[m]> and majestic is like the only ones with wownero so everything else can just fuck off o.o
17:45:42 <Morpheus[m]> <aremor[m]> "100% understood. But when it..." <- Yes, but some users might still want to trade there due to privacy. This is hard to deal because users only complain when they receive less.
17:46:11 <Morpheus[m]> When creating floating rate exchanges, half trades pay more, half pay less
17:46:34 <Morpheus[m]> What we need is a way to auto detect divergences and show the users before creating the trade
17:46:34 <spacekitty420[m]> maybe make fixed the default instead of float?
17:46:49 <Morpheus[m]> And putting a rate to each exchange
17:46:57 <Morpheus[m]> spacekitty420[m]: But fixed pay less
17:47:06 <Morpheus[m]> People want floating rates
17:47:18 <bananagirl[m]> Morpheus[m]: i guess adding a option at the end of an swap and showing how much the user received vs advertised might be good 
17:47:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Personally, id (never would have listed) delist majestic because its a non standard swapper  
17:47:50 <bananagirl[m]> so something like: you received  0.1% more than the quoted rate! congrats! or smth like that
17:47:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> ~0.5% is a gamble
17:48:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Set it to 0.5 or less + a 1% fixed rate and we have a swapper
17:48:29 <anarkiocrypto[m]> I only use fixed (I pay invoices via swap services, so I only need my Monero wallet, but can pay with BTC/LTC/other coins).
17:48:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> But I wont use it because I dont trust ~0.5% as any actionable number
17:48:41 <bananagirl[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: giving people options is good and majestic is active in the community so yay i guess? 
17:48:54 <Morpheus[m]> I'm against preventing the user to do something. We should allow free choice. What we must do, however, is providing information beforehand so users can take the best decision
17:48:57 <bananagirl[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: so the max amount they take is 0.5?
17:49:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> No
17:49:06 <Morpheus[m]> bananagirl[m]: Yes
17:49:07 <spacekitty420[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: wtf?.... everything "standard" can be as if not more shady than non-standard tho.... like, mt. gox is standart, ftx standard, binance standard and they all shady pieces of shit so.... fuck that
17:49:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nobody knows the max
17:49:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Kitty.. I explain.
17:49:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> 0.5% floating  or 1% fixed at the time of the exchange is "standard"
17:50:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not really though, some do 1-5%
17:50:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> But im saying majestic just says "~0.5%" which could mean 0, could bean 40, who knows 
17:51:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> So they can quote at 0, but then charge you 1, and thats all fair game.
17:51:04 <bananagirl[m]> Morpheus[m]: and showing the average % rate from all the swaps that have been made beforehand would be great to give users more control over what they would get in the end - the downside to this is that all swap data would have to be collected and saved - so data privacy wise this might be a no go 👀🧐
17:51:22 <Morpheus[m]> I think detecting the final amount and either A) adjusting future swaps for each exchange, or B) showing the user the divergence beforehand would solve this issue
17:52:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think the easier solution of for majestic to fix the rate to 0.5% (or less?)
17:52:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Instead of randomly charging people 0.1% or 2%
17:52:59 <Morpheus[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: If you do this, the exchange will just "lie" another 0.5
17:53:21 <Morpheus[m]> Not saying Majestic would do this, just saying it doesn't solve anything
17:53:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> The base divergence should be compared to actual rates 
17:53:56 <bananagirl[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: maybe they could add a fixed rate function so people would not have to deal with their inconsistent rates
17:54:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think you already do this?
17:54:07 <Morpheus[m]> Yes, then auto adjust
17:54:37 <Morpheus[m]> So it wouldn't be good for exchanges to lie, because the system would auto adjust
17:54:56 <plowsof> im only going to lie to trocador requests 
17:54:57 <aremor[m]> <Morpheus[m]> "We can implement that, but as of..." <- This would help greatly, as you’ll have data of both directions 
17:55:20 <Morpheus[m]> plowsof: Hahaha
17:55:58 <plowsof> if this can work, its a great idea (we've never seen this before i think)
17:56:01 <Morpheus[m]> But it's a competition, it's tempting for them to do that
17:56:22 <plowsof> stats on all swap services - over time - not just a one off 
17:56:28 <Morpheus[m]> Trocador's job is to defend the user inside this war
17:56:33 <Morpheus[m]> And provide good rates
17:56:35 <bananagirl[m]> bananagirl[m]: their floating rate ratio is way too inconsistent and many people are turned off by this and I saw many complaints on dread - if they could add it people would be so much more likely to use their services and would be satisfied - I personally love the ethos that MB supports so would be great if you could do so :) MajesticBank ❤️ 
17:56:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> And rank them via their honesty.....
17:56:52 <Morpheus[m]> plowsof: This will work
17:57:42 <plowsof> swapping xmr -> transparent block chain right? 
17:57:43 <Morpheus[m]> plowsof: Imagine before starting a swap you know for a fact that exchange A lies in average 0.5% while exchange B only 0.1%
17:57:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Itd basically downranking the exchange, right?
17:58:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof: Should work, because the exchange will report that they received the correct amount 
17:58:16 <Morpheus[m]> bananagirl[m]: They have. And we have fixed rate for majestic
17:58:27 <plowsof> if i was spreading fud (when this system is in place) i would send a large (partial) tx to a swap service (so the payment does not happen) then i would make a support ticket - and say i cant afford the full amount - please do the exchange - then trocador sees that  30% of the requested amount arrives
17:58:53 <bananagirl[m]> Morpheus[m]: oh ! was unaware of this! 
17:59:02 <plowsof> repeat the process to bring the numbers down of those i don;t like 
17:59:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> aremor:  majestic has fixed rated via trocador 
18:00:05 <Morpheus[m]> plowsof: We already detect when the user sends less than a certain %
18:00:06 <bananagirl[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: so they made a special deal with trocador?
18:00:19 <bananagirl[m]> thats awesome
18:00:24 <plowsof> you wouldnt know how much xmr i sent to the exchange though
18:00:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Who knows, but you cant get scammed with a fixed rate..
18:00:56 <Morpheus[m]> It's on their API
18:00:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof: From the api, ofc it relies on the exchange telling the truth about your deposit 
18:01:03 <Morpheus[m]> We just used it
18:01:28 <plowsof> "Its on their api" doh, i had no idea, lol then this is great 
18:01:53 <bananagirl[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: hmm just checked and their fixed rate is 2.5% :(
18:02:07 <Morpheus[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Yeah, but if comes to this...
18:02:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Which rheyd be crazy to lie about, considering you have proof 
18:02:18 <Morpheus[m]> bananagirl[m]: It changes all the time
18:02:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Proof = you crested and sent the transaction. If they skim your deposit, they are stealing in broad daylight
18:02:25 <Morpheus[m]> Sometimes their fixed rate is better than all rates
18:02:59 <bananagirl[m]> ohh i see! thats great to hear! 
18:04:00 <Morpheus[m]> Anyway, I just hope people understand Trocador.app is on the second month... we have been working around clock to bring updates and we have a bunch of awesome ideas for the future
18:04:09 <Morpheus[m]> But... the system still relies on the user reporting abuse 
18:04:48 <Morpheus[m]> We have less than two months active and more than a thousand swaps without any KYC
18:05:41 <bananagirl[m]> Morpheus[m]: thank you so much for creating it! super glad that it exists :)
18:06:27 <Morpheus[m]> bananagirl[m]: Thank you for liking, sharing and using the service
18:11:13 <Morpheus[m]> On our road ahead, we plan A)  month releasing a fixed rate payment system. B) integrating into some exchanges next month C) making a user review system of each exchange D) implement auto rate adjustment based on amounts delivered E) showing users the average divergence from each exchange F) adding double swaps when there's low liquidity for a coin. Trocador will create chain swaps between two exchanges, with the output from one serving as
18:11:13 <Morpheus[m]> the input of the other. So, if you want wownero, and have, tron, for example, we'll swap your tron for BTC on changenow but swap BTC for wownero on majestic
18:11:39 <Morpheus[m]> s/exchanges/wallets/
18:12:23 <bananagirl[m]> Morpheus[m]: Ohhh so something like 1inch but for swaps? sounds super interesting!!!
18:18:04 <aremor[m]> <plowsof> "if this can work, its a great..." <- CMC claims to rate exchanges based on order slippage. But it’s owned by Binance so who tf knows. The idea is there though. 
18:19:06 <plowsof> i had no idea this was a thing, thanks aremor
18:20:29 <spacekitty420[m]> binance assigning themselves the "most trusted exchange in existence" score on their own website (cmc) is like next level comedy :3
18:25:02 <Mochi101> spacekitty420[m], I am the most trusted person in Monero
18:25:22 <Mochi101> trust me
18:27:29 <nioc> can confirm
18:27:58 <bananagirl[m]> <spacekitty420[m]> "binance assigning themselves the..." <- ftx was placed second back then so yeah xD 
18:28:40 <Mochi101> and spacekitty420[m], you can trust nioc's confirmation because he's the second most trusted person in Monero
18:29:07 <nioc> so FTX  lol
18:29:15 <Mochi101> hehehe
18:40:41 <Morpheus[m]>  * On our road ahead, we plan A) this month releasing a fixed rate payment system. B) integrating into some wallets next month C) making a user review system of each exchange D) implement auto rate adjustment based on amounts delivered E) showing users the average divergence from each exchange F) adding double swaps when there's low liquidity for a coin. Trocador will create chain swaps between two exchanges, with the output from one
18:40:41 <Morpheus[m]> serving as the input of the other. So, if you want wownero, and have, tron, for example, we'll swap your tron for BTC on changenow but swap BTC for wownero on majestic
18:49:37 <nioc> aremor[m]: as to the possibility of an exchange send a btc withdrawal from an address associated with your account, imagine binance trying to manage that?  It should be from their own hot wallet that every blockchain surveillance company knows the address of.
18:50:50 <nioc> I did ask for definitive info which I haven't received yet but it seems it will be as above
18:51:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Even kraken charges you a deposit fee for eth because they have to move your eth into their wallet 
18:52:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its usually one of their hot wallets, I dont think they keep your money in your wallet address for any amount of time
20:30:29 <wormrobot> monerobull[m]: Yes thank you ill refresh-from-block-height XXX and ill match my wallet creation, or will it be my wallets restore height?
20:30:52 <wormrobot> monerobull[m]: & yes system time is up to date
20:31:11 <wormrobot> selsta: im on linux
20:37:37 <wormrobot> moneromoooo: Error: Unknown command 'refresh-from-block-height', try 'help'
20:37:53 <wormrobot> moneromoooo: Yes thank you ill refresh-from-block-height XXX and ill match my wallet creation, or will it be my wallets restore height?
20:38:06 <wormrobot> moneromoooo: & yes system time is up to date
20:38:21 <wormrobot> sorry was pinging the wrong person
20:42:23 <wormrobot> btw i think monero-cli is way cooler the GUI
20:42:52 <wormrobot> we need more helpful docs on how to properly use it and keep it secure!
20:43:25 <wormrobot> This was a great start, https://www.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/monero-wallet-cli.html
20:45:57 <moneromoooo> You forgot "set": set refresh-from-block-height XXXX
20:46:17 <moneromoooo> I do not understnad the question though.
20:46:39 <moneromoooo> You need to set XXXX to a block height roughly when you created that wallet, or earlier.
20:47:08 <moneromoooo> 0 is the earliest you can do, and is always safe, but the subsequent rescan will be the longest.
20:53:09 <wormrobot> moneromoooo: okay perfect now i understand! 
20:54:21 <wormrobot> how do i check whats the current block height for the monero blockchain, in real time? does monero-cli wallet has a command for checking the current block height?
20:56:40 <aremor[m]> <nioc> "aremor: as to the possibility of..." <- Good point. So the issue is when you want to buy Monero then. Because for you to deposit you’re stuck with that single address. 
20:57:05 <selsta> wormrobot: ./monerod status
20:57:17 <selsta> post the output here
20:57:40 <wormrobot> selsta: ty!
20:59:52 <wormrobot> this is cool lol I Monero 'Fluorine Fermi'
21:00:23 <selsta> it should display the block height
21:01:24 <moneromoooo> If there's none other running with --detach, just "status" in the monerod console.
21:01:38 <wormrobot> yeah i does
21:01:41 <wormrobot> it*
21:02:03 <wormrobot> and im still doing this Starting refresh...
21:03:10 <selsta> can you post the full status output?
21:04:53 <wormrobot> 2022-11-28 20:59:21.033	I Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.1.2-release)
21:04:55 <wormrobot> Height: 2650832/2765932 (95.8%) on mainnet, not mining, net hash 2.47 GH/s, v14, 12(out)+0(in) connections, uptime 0d 10h 3m 59s
21:05:28 <wormrobot> but in another terminal window im doing, rescan_bc
21:10:26 <DanIsnotthemanBr> in?
21:10:37 <wormrobot> DanIsnotthemanBr: 0
21:10:38 <DanIsnotthemanBr> 0
21:10:43 <wormrobot> yeah idk 
21:11:03 <DanIsnotthemanBr> port open?
21:11:59 <wormrobot> what port?
21:13:02 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://www.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/vps_run_node.html
21:13:13 <DanIsnotthemanBr> "Make sure that port 18080 is open"
21:18:15 <wormrobot> DanIsnotthemanBr: it is running and opened
21:18:48 <DanIsnotthemanBr> port forwarded too?
21:19:40 <DanIsnotthemanBr> needs to open on router and you machine with monerod
21:19:47 <DanIsnotthemanBr> * needs to be open on
21:19:56 <DanIsnotthemanBr>  * needs to be open on router and your machine with monerod
21:21:23 <wormrobot> DanIsnotthemanBr: yeah i think i have to port foward that port from my router to my machine
21:22:49 <wormrobot> can someone else vouch+ so i dont open a random port on my router! Dan nothing against you just being safe
21:24:14 <moneromoooo> Opening port 18080 will allow incoming p2p connections to monerod, assuming yo're using default port settings.
21:24:32 <moneromoooo> It's 18081 you want to block.
21:28:07 <wormrobot> moneromoooo: okay thank you 18081 is running and opened, thank you!!!
21:30:46 <moneromoooo> ...
21:31:33 <moneromoooo> Reado, typo, or braino ?
21:32:16 <moneromoooo> 18080: safe; 18081: unsafe.
21:32:34 <wormrobot> moneromoooo: should i block 18081 incomming and outgoing connections?
21:32:45 <moneromoooo> From the outside, yes.
21:32:48 <wormrobot> or just block its incomming?
21:33:16 <moneromoooo> Well, you probably don't need to RPC to strangers' nodes, so both in/out is fine.
21:33:44 <wormrobot> moneromoooo: okay thank you, i will block it now
21:42:01 <nioc> aremor[m]: what issues do you see with using the same monero deposit address.  You and the exchange have records of what is deposited regardless of the address scheme used and that address is ofc not on the blockchain.
21:44:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://matrix.to/#/!eBgZCVRnRRkKchiYzS:monero.social/$mCZwKvtPDFQ6Syeb2pOJd_5RDbjhQit5DdChWG6DeQ0?via=monero.social&via=libera.chat&via=matrix.org
21:44:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> wormrobot: 
21:44:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Also selsta and moo
21:45:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/monerosupport/comments/sok7qa/the_wallets_refreshfromblockheight_setting_is_too/
21:45:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> In case it doesnt work for selsta and moo, I said "is your node synced" and sent this link
21:45:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> It appears wormrobot: node just isnt finished syncing? 
21:46:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> <wormrobot> "Height: 2650832/2765932 (95.8..." <- ^
21:46:43 <DanIsnotthemanBr> yeah 95%
21:47:06 <DanIsnotthemanBr> i think 18080 was block too
21:47:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> 12 outgoing connections and 10hrs uptime.
21:47:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im assuming hdd
21:47:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> print_net_stats in the daemon window show the average network speeds
21:48:39 <wormrobot> sorry guys i was blocking ports with iptables
21:48:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> And how much was up/downloaded
21:49:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Try print_net_stats
21:49:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> In the daemon 
21:49:40 <wormrobot> but monerod still uses 18081 when i run the daemon
21:49:54 <wormrobot> okay running it now one sec
21:50:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oh nvm
21:50:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> I needed the numbers before you closed it 😅
21:51:02 <moneromoooo> Good point about a half synced node. Didn't think of that :D
21:51:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anyway, everything looks fine.. your node just isnt synced
21:52:11 <wormrobot> moneromoooo: do i have to change the monero.conf port ? because since i blocked in/out connections for 18081 now my monero-wallet-cli is getting stuck when it opens lol
21:52:52 <moneromoooo> Don't block it for the loopback.
21:53:18 <moneromoooo> Or if your wallet is on another machine, just ensure it's blocked at the router, not for LAN.
21:55:35 <wormrobot> moneromoooo: so your saying dont block the ports on my machine just the routers in/out connections to that port?
21:55:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes
21:55:55 <wormrobot> ofrnxmr[m]: got it lol
21:57:18 <wormrobot> ofrnxmr[m]: Received 1006695587 bytes (960.06 MB) in 186200 packets in 9.7 minutes, average 1.66 MB/s = 20.73% of the limit of 8.00 MB/s
21:57:21 <wormrobot> Sent 969995 bytes (947.26 kB) in 939 packets in 9.7 minutes, average 1.64 kB/s = 0.08% of the limit of 2.00 MB/s
21:57:23 <moneromoooo> In general, just open what you need. No more.
21:58:01 <moneromoooo> 18081 is needed by the wallet to talk to the node, so open this just on the interfaces that will be used for this.
21:58:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Are you using a hard drive or an ssd
21:59:27 <wormrobot> ofrnxmr[m]: ssd  
21:59:46 <wormrobot> ofrnxmr[m]: laptops ssd 
22:00:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> And if you need to access from outside of the local network... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/2dc7362fde38f5c0f1123f8a06d10904c66aa6ea>)
22:00:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> wormrobot: Should be synced in a few minutes at that speed
22:01:08 <wormrobot> ofrnxmr[m]: thats the daemon giving me these outputs not the monero-wallet-cli
22:01:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes
22:01:37 <wormrobot> the wallet isnt opened, i closed it not that long ago
22:01:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> The daemon needs to sync first
22:02:39 <wormrobot> and i was using a vpn at first and forgot to split the shells tunnel so maybe that was also interfering
22:02:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Synced daemon should = no more wallet error
22:03:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Probably speed limited? 
22:03:43 <wormrobot> ofrnxmr[m]: at first yes thats what im guessing
22:06:48 <wormrobot> ofrnxmr[m]: how do you do this btw? https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/2dc7362fde38f5c0f1123f8a06d10904c66aa6ea>
22:09:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Are you running the daemon from the terminal?
22:09:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or from GUI 
22:09:51 <wormrobot> ofrnxmr[m]: i used systemctl to start it 
22:09:55 <wormrobot> terminal
22:09:59 <wormrobot> shell;
22:11:41 <wormrobot> ofrnxmr[m]: now im in /usr/bin/ giving commands to ./monerod status <-- like so
22:12:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> In the systemd script, change
22:12:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> ./monerod --detach 
22:12:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> To
22:12:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> ./monerod --rpc-restricted-bind-ip=0.0.0.0 --rpc-restricted-bind-port=18089 --detach 
22:12:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> In the service* file
22:14:00 <wormrobot> ofrnxmr[m]: i use systemctl but yeah, do you mean systemctl or systemd config file?
22:14:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> The monero service file that you created 
22:14:54 <wormrobot> ofrnxmr[m]: Forking to background...
22:16:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Can you share your service file 
22:16:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://paste.centos.org
22:16:39 <wormrobot> ofrnxmr[m]: service file, where would the service file be located? sorry im a bit confused now
22:17:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> How did you initially set up your node? Using seths guide?
22:18:03 <wormrobot> i used a package manager to download monero-wallet-gui
22:18:24 <wormrobot> then i used its CLI function because i like working in shells and now im here lol
22:18:51 <wormrobot> but first i ran the GUI to make the simple wallet
22:19:09 <wormrobot> for only sending a recieving not for mining
22:19:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Try
22:19:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> ls /etc/systemd/system/
22:21:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> I presume its called monero.service
22:21:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can just try
22:21:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> cat /etc/systemd/system/monero.service 
22:22:51 <wormrobot> ofrnxmr[m]: i found it, its in here /usr/lib/systemd/system
22:23:15 <wormrobot> ofrnxmr[m]: and is called monerod.service
22:26:11 <wormrobot> ofrnxmr[m]: https://paste.centos.org/view/206c48c3
22:26:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> If the exec line shows
22:26:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> ./monerod --config-file=
22:26:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Share the config file instead 
22:27:58 <wormrobot> ofrnxmr[m]: https://paste.centos.org/view/4d84cd14
22:29:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> You wont need to edit that.
22:29:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> You'll need to edit /etc/monerod.conf
22:30:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ok, I see you have conf in there too. Just 1 sec
22:30:57 <wormrobot> ofrnxmr[m]: okay perfect no problem
22:31:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> rpc-restricted-bind-ip=0.0.0.0
22:31:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> rpc-restricted-bind-port=18089 
22:31:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Edit conf and add these (on separate lines)
22:32:47 <wormrobot> ofrnxmr[m]: does it matter if i add it to the top or the bottom?
22:32:54 <wormrobot> better if is the bottom huh?
22:33:07 <wormrobot> but im sure it wouldnt matter
22:33:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nope. Doesnt matter
22:33:52 <wormrobot> ofrnxmr[m]: all done. should i restart the daemon?
22:34:02 <wormrobot> even thos is probably still not fully synced
22:34:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes
22:34:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can chexk
22:34:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Type ./monerod status
22:34:25 <wormrobot> to late lol
22:34:32 <wormrobot> should i also enable the daemon?
22:34:37 <wormrobot> systemd enable?
22:34:43 <wormrobot> systemd enable monerod?
22:34:58 <wormrobot> so it starts on its own?
22:35:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats up to you.
22:54:15 <wormrobot> ofrnxmr[m]: also true, wallets status is 98.4% synced
22:55:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wallet or daemon?
22:58:50 <aremor[m]> <nioc> "aremor: what issues do you see..." <- The monero deposit address is not the issue. The issue is the deposit addresses of other currencies, when they are a public ledger. After certain known transactions happen, any analysis of that ledger shows that address belongs to you. Then there is no way to change that address unless you continue making throw away accounts on TO. 
22:59:43 <nioc> ok, I thought you used monero as an example
23:00:19 <nioc> but yes other currencies are a problem  :D
23:00:40 <aremor[m]> nioc: I do both buying and selling of monero. Monero is always in the equation, it just depends what side. 
23:04:53 <wormrobot> ofrnxmr[m]: daemon
23:12:03 <wormrobot> ofrnxmr[m]: btw the wallets always sync the daemon is the only one thats taking hours to sync
23:13:50 <selsta> you are verifying 8 years of blockchain history it will take a bit
23:14:17 <selsta> with SSD it should take 12-24h, with HDD longer
23:16:35 <wormrobot> selsta: ohh okay true! perfect thank you.
23:19:17 <wormrobot> aprox whats the size of a single block? every 10 minutes
23:23:47 <selsta> blocks are every 2 minutes, median block is 300kB in size
23:24:06 <selsta> oh wait that's the block size limit
23:24:46 <wormrobot> selsta: oh shit btc is 10 minutes, so monero is 2 minutes? 
23:24:50 <selsta> yes
23:24:59 <wormrobot> nice
23:25:50 <wormrobot> whois wormrobot
23:25:54 <wormrobot> sorry