01:25:06 <Phyn[m]> So is this the official and final room? I've jumped through 2 or three room changes now lol
01:27:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes
01:27:13 <nioc> this is the main monero channel but there are many other specific ones
01:27:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> 🍿
01:27:52 <Phyn[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Thank boo 💗 
01:27:54 <Torr> Phyn[m]: It's official and not final.
01:28:55 <Phyn[m]> Torr: Why are the rooms being changed/migrated so frequently? 
01:29:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bridging to irc
01:29:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its bridged now though, so it "shouldn't" need to change again
01:29:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> But ya never know
01:34:52 <Phyn[m]> Very well thank you ! 
03:04:01 <wormrobot> how long you guys think it would take to learn how crypto works from a dev perspective? and hopefully one day join the movement to creating crypto systems to save the our worlds privacy!
03:05:07 <wormrobot> btw i know the basics of c++
03:05:39 <wormrobot> the fundamentals**
03:06:05 <Torr> wormrobot: Why wait another day? Start now.
03:08:19 <wormrobot> Torr: i've been in love with the cypher punk movement and crypto systems and cryptography but as a beginner is hard to know what the basics are in a specific subject when your so new to it
03:11:02 <Torr> Read this: https://web.getmonero.org/library/Zero-to-Monero-2-0-0.pdf
03:20:12 <wormrobot> Torr: Waow i read the Abstract and im amazed, thank you! this is the first time someone sends me useful information
03:20:30 <wormrobot> on the things i like to learn about
03:21:32 <Torr> Cheers
03:25:23 <spackle_xmr[m]> Here are some elliptic curve cryptography python tutorials, I found them useful as a starting point: https://github.com/coinstudent2048/ecc_tutorials
03:25:23 <spackle_xmr[m]> I've been working to write Python code for everything in Zero to Monero. Have a look if you are interested: https://github.com/spackle-xmr/ZtM
03:38:11 <wormrobot> spackle_xmr[m]: this is also awesome!!!! will do
03:50:55 <Torr> See ya
06:09:36 <NotMtth[m]> For the once who missed on my project, here is the CCS idea https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/357 :)
06:09:36 <NotMtth[m]> Hope you guys read it and maybe leave your feedback in the comments :)
07:10:05 <aremor[m]> <spacekitty420[m]> "penumbra also has bounties (..." <- I’m finding very little information about this 
08:20:52 <spacekitty420[m]> aremor: 
08:20:52 <spacekitty420[m]> https://matrix.to/#/#penumbra:penumbra.social
08:20:52 <spacekitty420[m]> https://matrix.to/#/#penumbra-dev:penumbra.social
08:20:52 <spacekitty420[m]> https://gitlab.com/l0nelyc0w/penumbra/
10:34:49 <llacqie[m]> > <@notmtth[m]:libera.chat> For the once who missed on my project, here is the CCS idea https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/357 :)
10:34:49 <llacqie[m]> > Hope you guys read it and maybe leave your feedback in the comments :)
10:34:50 <llacqie[m]> $30 monthly of domain???? Very expensive, usually domains cost up to $60 per year
11:20:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> NotMtth: I cant wrap my head around your proposal.
11:20:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Starting with "audience", ie, who is actually going to tune in..? I cant see why a user would actually want or use siri voice news headlines, or listening to inconsistent selections/genres/language of music 
11:20:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> How do you expect to gain or keep subscribers by offering a worse version of existing services?
11:20:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> The low cost makes me want to push it through.. but ive come to believe cost is the last thing to look at. Right now, I cant imagine anyone wants TTS news randomly injected into their music session, or to have music in a diff language or genre, and where will you get money to pay your guests speaker fees? 
11:28:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> ollof2003: what is "mega" 
11:30:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> >I threw money on mega through the xmr exchanger, the money has not arrived for two days, I wrote to the mega site, to which he replied that monero does not work temporarily, when will it work?
11:30:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Context
11:30:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> * >I threw money on mega through the xmr exchanger, the money has not arrived for two days, I wrote to the mega site, to which he replied that monero does not work temporarily, when will it work?
11:30:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Context
11:31:10 <ollof2003[m]> hello
11:31:13 <selsta> also some basic is  required info like which wallet are you using?
11:31:37 <ollof2003[m]> mega site
11:31:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> What is mega site
11:32:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Send a link.
11:32:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> The only mega I know is Kim dotcom 
11:32:25 <ollof2003[m]> Russian-language purchase of drugs or documents
11:32:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> And they say monero doesnt work?
11:32:42 <ollof2003[m]> https://safeklad.com/mega
11:33:25 <ollof2003[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: yes, they say Monero that they have some kind of problem, like everyone has this
11:36:29 <ollof2003[m]> Good afternoon, dear user, now many of the users are faced with a similar problem, those problems have occurred.
11:36:29 <ollof2003[m]> Expect funds to be credited soon
11:36:29 <ollof2003[m]> P.S MEGA
11:37:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^ onion not working 
11:37:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero works, mega doesnt 
11:38:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Working now 😒
11:38:37 <ollof2003[m]> thanks for the help
11:42:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> How long have you been waiting? 
11:43:32 <ollof2003[m]> two days
11:49:43 <sech1> it's some problem with their wallet
11:49:54 <sech1> I understand you don't have your own wallet, just an account at that site, right?
11:50:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> I can only think a few things.
11:50:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1. Mega has current wallet issues
11:50:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2. Mega hasnt updated their monero wallets / nodes and doesnt support the current network (but youd know, since it would have been broken since August)
11:51:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> And ppplease answer sech1 and selsta. Whicht wallet software/program or app are you using?
11:53:02 <sech1> It sounds like their wallet has issues, the transaction was sent to it, but it didn't appear on their site
11:54:59 <ollof2003[m]> <sech1> "it's some problem with their..." <- yessech1 
12:13:04 <wormrobot> no kyc monero? anywhere?
12:13:39 <Inge> tradeogre?
12:14:41 <wormrobot> for $USD
12:22:45 <erembax[m]> Is there a Monero space on Matrix that groups all the rooms together?
12:30:57 <aremor[m]> > <@spacekitty420:matrix.org> aremor:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/e2c4df689f5cbe0e8e5b6477056c12a64749a42b>)
12:32:53 <aremor[m]> <wormrobot> "for $USD" <- Localmonero.co
12:44:36 <wormrobot> aremor[m]: ty!!
13:48:06 <alpharabius[m]> I hate docker i don't even have a reason
13:52:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> <erembax[m]> "Is there a Monero space on..." <- Not all
13:53:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Join my space Monero https://matrix.to/#/#monerospace:monero.social
14:15:51 <spacekitty420[m4> <aremor[m]> "> <@spacekitty420:matrix.org..." <- might not look as wet 💦 💦 💦 as haveno but eryone going at their own pace u know, like, he pretty much working alone on it, doesnt have any ccs going on and paying bounties from own pocket, so like, sure gh dry af with last commit like 3months ago or somethin, doesnt mean there is no work happening at all, like, not everything has to be a PR/commit or whatever, sometimes work can
14:15:51 <spacekitty420[m4> be done locally without doing a git pull or whatever
14:16:57 <spacekitty420[m4> also wtf, matrix.org handle stuck at "connection issues" or some shit right now....
14:17:28 <spacekitty420[m4> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Not all" <- right, monero-memes not even in there, fuck that....
14:24:25 <spacekitty420[m4> plowsof: u got root on #monero-community yet?
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14:25:06 <spacekitty420[m4> can't join from that one, i think is cause maybe am kinda already in the room? so you would have to kick me maybe? like, so could join again without getting the error or somethin, idk....
14:25:10 <spacekitty420[m4> fuck matrix
14:33:22 <spacekitty420[m4> plowsof: also, look at you doing privilege escalation on the monero ecosystem o.o
14:33:22 <spacekitty420[m4> maybe that's what endogenic was talking about when sayin monero is being co-opted, like, it is you, dio! *(<insert jojo meme>)* :tinfoil:
14:33:22 <spacekitty420[m4> like, not even just privilege escalation on the discussion channels (where u can just censor the opposition) but also have that whole ccs position thingy going as well :hyperthonk:
14:33:23 <spacekitty420[m4> anyways, just kick me already on #monero-community so can try joining again ffs!
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14:37:36 <spacekitty420[m4> his momma was able to buy a $100+ million home, that's enough "philanthropy" already imo... LOL
14:41:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hey cat. Are you accusing me of something?
14:41:57 <spacekitty420[m4> ofrnxmr: btw, just letting you know, i dont think you're plowsof's alt anymore, but can u just wake up your boyfriend already?
14:41:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> 😁
14:42:14 <spacekitty420[m4> :3
14:43:39 <spacekitty420[m4> plowsof: WAKEYYYYYYY!!!11!!!111 :derp: 
14:44:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Say please 
14:44:53 <spacekitty420[m4> make me 😊
14:46:00 <spacekitty420[m4> wtf
14:46:01 <spacekitty420[m4> o.o
14:46:02 <spacekitty420[m4> :tinfoil: confirmed
14:46:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> 💋
14:47:10 <plowsof> co-opeted and coordinated 
14:47:23 <spacekitty420[m4> 😽😘❤️💞💖
14:49:57 <rbrunner> Was that boring before there were emojis ...
14:51:06 <spacekitty420[m4> plowsof: so yeah, tldr, can u try kick me from the #monero-community? getting the error thingy for awhile now on that handle for some reason..
14:51:13 <wormrobot> how do i get the txid of a transfer in the cli wallet?
14:51:52 <sech1> show_transfers
14:51:57 <plowsof> is everything ok connecting to -community now? (matrix side) - i noticed some issue with it loading slow  (my powers include: being able to delete spam messages)
14:51:57 <spacekitty420[m4> rbrunner: we would just do ascii art u silly
14:51:57 <spacekitty420[m4> >o(^_^)----o(x_-)
14:52:20 <spacekitty420[m4> errrr.... can't figure proper formating for it to not fuck my beautiful ascii art, fuck that, whtaever...
14:52:42 <rbrunner> Alright :)
14:52:52 <spacekitty420[m4> F
14:53:16 <spacekitty420[m4> mooo just left, i think he dont like me at all......
14:53:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> We need to update the room descriptions 
14:53:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> So they include off-topic
14:53:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> And we need to bridge #monero-support:monero.social to irc 
14:56:00 <wormrobot> whats diff, between locked and unlocked??
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14:56:45 <spacekitty420[m4> wormrobot: unlocked is after 10 blocks after receiving it then u can send it again
14:56:52 <spacekitty420[m4> so in average 20mins after receiving it becomes unlocked
14:56:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Try
14:56:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> #monero-community:matrix.org
14:57:08 <wormrobot> spacekitty420[m4: ty!!
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15:00:58 <wormrobot> is a safe practice to using a monero wallet for privacy, would be creating a subaddress & not using your primary address EVER!!?
15:01:12 <spacekitty420[m4> that's literally the reason why i pinged plowsof and spammed in here, tryna figure out why couldnt join (like iirc that acc was in there already so asked to kick it..., maybe that was the reason, idfk...) but now mooo got all butthurt and left the channel cause i spamming and fuck that... am done, fuck u mooo too (and thanks for the work u doing on monero but fuck u as a person)
15:02:34 <spacekitty420[m4> wormrobot: there's a doc somewhere that explain the difference between using subaddresses and main addresses depending on usecase, can't remember where it's at tho but it's about the same tbh, single use wallets with main addresses or subaddresses just a bit of difference but overall is same thing
15:04:08 <plowsof> i kicked the account but didnt fix it (punishment for being fancy with a custom home server) and now everyone hates us, i will add off-topic to the room topic #monero-offtopic:monero.social 
15:04:11 <spacekitty420[m4> anyways 🖕😾🖕
15:04:39 <spacekitty420[m4> plowsof: and not tryna be fancy, matrix.org handle literally saying connection issue.... fuck that shit
15:05:12 <wormrobot> spacekitty420[m4: ohh okayy perfect
15:09:14 <monerobull[m]> Is njalla down again? 
15:09:15 <monerobull[m]> Ffs
15:09:58 <spacekitty420[m]> <spacekitty420[m4> "plowsof: and not tryna be fancy,..." <- oh shit, now it's working, might have been down for like an hour or so but am back bitches \o/ (still, fuck u mooo, thanks for the monero work tho, but still fuck u :3)
15:11:37 <spacekitty420[m]> probably a bit more than an hour too... weird shits, and as as said that, got a micro disconnect LOL
15:12:10 <spacekitty420[m]> anyways, that channel was better before it got bridge, am just gonna say it but.... the bridge to irc for #monero was a mistake
15:13:15 <spacekitty420[m]> is talking about #monero channel is too #offtopic for the #monero channel btw? plowsof :derp: 
15:13:33 <spacekitty420[m]> fuck irc boomers hipsters u know, just sayin....
15:13:51 <spacekitty420[m]> fuck matrix too but irc boomers hipsters like... fuck 'em
15:15:20 <wormrobot> monerobull[m]: is it? BIG FFS whats going on......
15:15:37 <wormrobot> spacekitty420[m4: whats wrong lol?
15:16:49 <nioc> spacekitty420 chasing mooo away again?
15:16:52 <nioc> so sad
15:18:07 <spacekitty420[m]> wish could do the same for you but for some reason it doesnt work.... unfortunate :/
15:19:11 <nioc> this channel is for help, one of the reasons I wanted it bridged was so that mooo could help more people with his expertise 
15:19:29 <nioc> it was slow in the irc room cause it was split
15:20:59 <spacekitty420[m]> isnt that what #monero-support supposed to be? help the ones that having issues with like restoring their wallet or whatever and he also already has the -dev room for helping dev relating shits....
15:21:25 <spacekitty420[m]> nioc: right, sowry about that, still, fuck yall on irc....
15:21:56 <nioc> we are one
15:23:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> nioc: #monero-support:monero.social  is for help
15:24:29 <wormrobot> spacekitty420[m4: is a beautiful day why so angry! lets all love each other 
15:24:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^ but waiting for irc bridge
15:25:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> TIL cats and cows dont get alone
15:26:50 <wormrobot> bruh lol
15:27:25 <nioc> this channel is usually the first channel people go to for info, 
15:27:28 <nioc> people with non dev related problems are directed from there to here all the time
15:27:50 <nioc> there = -dev
15:28:35 <spacekitty420[m]> those mofos have like 3 stomach, hoomans even putting glass to have an open view with their cows, that's so fucked up, also hooman gave cows to eat to other cows, very fucked up but they still ate it land went all cray cray like wtf even is this u know? meanwhile.... pussy rulez o.o, there's even big pyramid status with kitties o.o 
15:29:02 <spacekitty420[m]>  * those mofos have like 3 stomach, hoomans even putting glass to have an open view with their cow's stomachs.... that's so fucked up, also hooman gave cows to eat to other cows, very fucked up but they still ate it and went all cray cray like wtf even is this u know? meanwhile.... pussy rulez o.o, there's even big pyramid status with kitties o.o 
15:29:06 <nioc> this is monero related how?  ^^^
15:29:34 <spacekitty420[m]> cause u know how you buying meat with monero? neither do i cause the big sellers are bitcoin maxi and don't want no monero
15:30:03 <spacekitty420[m]> nioc: so go shill some more monero so we can buy cow meat with it instead of being stuck with surveillance coin bitcoin...
15:31:42 <wormrobot> wait i want to buy meat with monero!!
15:32:04 <spacekitty420[m]> same o.o
15:32:41 <endogenic> wtf is this scrollback
15:32:50 <wormrobot> endogenic: lol
15:33:37 <endogenic> really though. can you keep this channel for monero conversations please
15:33:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its #monero-offtopic:monero.social is what it is
15:34:17 <spacekitty420[m]> endogenic: WHO CO-OPTING MONERO????? i mean... it's monero convo so tell us already!!! :O
15:34:32 <endogenic> are you on drugs?
15:34:41 <spacekitty420[m]> :tinfoil: 
15:34:56 <spacekitty420[m]> endogenic: alcolol
15:35:05 <endogenic> well take it somewhere elee
15:35:07 <endogenic> else
15:35:19 <nioc> wen #monero-spacekitty
15:36:09 <endogenic> spacekitty420[m]: what did / do you study in school? do you have anything to contribute somehow?
15:36:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Spacekitty studied your posts
15:36:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> And woke up today questioning life.
15:36:32 <spacekitty420[m]> endogenic: its known that i dropped out of middle school......
15:36:41 <spacekitty420[m]> oh
15:36:42 <spacekitty420[m]> u
15:36:45 <spacekitty420[m]> sowry, idk
15:36:51 <endogenic> well so did i
15:36:57 <spacekitty420[m]> oh wait no
15:36:57 <spacekitty420[m]> you said me lol
15:37:05 <spacekitty420[m]> then yea, dropped out of middle school
15:37:35 <spacekitty420[m]> idk i just asking, u saying monero is co-opted so am wondering how, is all
15:37:39 <endogenic> what can you contribute here ?
15:37:51 <spacekitty420[m]> like, i witnessed ravencoin being co-opted and if you think monero could be the same then it would be worrying
15:38:05 <endogenic> yes plenty of power, fame, and wealth hungry people have used the monero project and its members
15:38:06 <spacekitty420[m]> just curious u know
15:38:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> #monero-offtopic:monero.social  lfg
15:38:33 <endogenic> if you pay attention to what i write then it's not hard to figure out specifics
15:38:38 <spacekitty420[m]> ofrnxmr: the subject is literally monero tho, how monero would be co-opted is literally on topic about monero
15:39:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Maybe if Endogenic didnt speak in circles and beat around the bush
15:39:17 <endogenic> spacekitty420[m]: what i want to know is whether you can become contributive
15:39:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> For years on end
15:39:47 <endogenic> ofrnxmr[m]: you're obviously not paying attention. dont blame me for being blind
15:39:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Who cares what you can do, its about what are you doing right now
15:39:54 <endogenic> yeah no shit
15:39:55 <spacekitty420[m]> ofrnxmr: then let him speak, people have their own way sometimes but if everytime you coming in the middle and being like "stfu endo" then ofc endo won't be able to explain properly those claims u know...
15:40:06 <endogenic> thanks
15:40:12 <endogenic> afk
15:40:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> I said stfu because of ^^^^^^
15:40:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dont waste my time everyday with teasers. I know the answer, so say it or shush
15:41:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> What.. I gotta wait til marriage for him to say "I do"
15:41:12 <spacekitty420[m]> endogenic: everyone contributing their own ways over the years.... the fuck u tryna contribute-shame or somethin? fuck u lol
15:41:24 <endogenic> yes
15:41:26 <endogenic> i am
15:41:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> And you suck at it...
15:41:43 <endogenic> the fuck do you know
15:45:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Look, if you want to get into a mudslinging contest and lost, meet me in my dms
15:45:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lose*
15:48:19 <spacekitty420[m]> do cross-platform irc_hipsters<->matrix dm's even work?...
15:49:19 <Mochi101> spacekitty420[m], no
15:50:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes..
15:50:22 <Mochi101> Do they?
15:50:25 <Mochi101> Since when?
15:50:28 <nioc> always
15:50:57 <Mochi101> spacekitty420[m], did you get that?
15:52:12 <plowsof> we've had our cathartic release of emotions now, lets relax - main issue , matrix "monero" had a totally different feel to irc "monero" and theyre now bridged. turbulence is expected while everyone finds their home again (sadly) 
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15:52:56 <spacekitty420[m]> Mochi101: oh shit wtf :O
15:53:10 <spacekitty420[m]> it worked, i dont do dms tho, just ending up ghosting but yeah, it worked, damn... :O
15:53:14 <Mochi101> oh wow
15:53:34 <spacekitty420[m]> next level bridging right there, congratz
15:53:47 <Mochi101> Don't worry spacekitty420[m], it was just for the test. I'm not into potheads.
15:53:49 <Mochi101> :P
15:54:44 <spacekitty420[m]> actually stopped smoking last year but all good <3
15:54:47 <Mochi101> Unless the 420 is for something else... someone's birthday?
15:54:50 <Mochi101> ahhh ok
15:55:03 <spacekitty420[m]> :3
17:24:48 <NotMtth[m]> > <@llacqie[m]:libera.chat> > <@notmtth[m]:libera.chat> For the once who missed on my project, here is the CCS idea https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/357 :)... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/2947247e02eca8c698c068e3fcf37ec9de6dfc76>)
17:25:58 <NotMtth[m]> Rest is on us 
17:25:58 <NotMtth[m]> Depends the provider you chose, since we are not paying anything with FIAT prices are like that :/
17:29:33 <NotMtth[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> NotMtth: I cant wrap my head around your proposal.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/b532026fcdd57216b1943744fd4f5bfe264c7eef>)
17:39:23 <anarkiocrypto[m]> I like the idea of text-to-speech for privacy (voice changers can't change accents nor stop roommates/neighbors from overhearing). Text-to-speech interviews may also be interesting. Voicemaker.in is the most realistic TTS that I have found, but you need to change the Tor exit node often to bypass the free limits. Maybe it could be automated somehow.
17:41:48 <charuto> TTS also can't change vocabulary and common expressions used by certain people
17:42:31 <charuto> well, technically you could apply some sort of filter, but at that point maybe just use an AI to answer for you instead.
17:43:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tts is for news 
17:43:28 <charuto> which then could also be identified upon analysis, and then you'd almost end up back where you started
17:43:44 <anarkiocrypto[m]> You usually can't doxx someone in real life just by knowing their typing patterns, but you can easily doxx or identify someone by their voice.
17:44:17 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Especially if you live in a badly soundproofed apartment where roommates or neighbors can easily hear you...
17:44:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Doxxing news headlines?
17:44:42 <charuto> you can if you cross match it with logs from facebook messenger, let's say.
17:44:52 <charuto> or other common chatting platforms where people are identified.
17:45:01 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Doxxing whoever is speaking, whether its news or an interview.
17:45:58 <anarkiocrypto[m]> The risk of someone looking through messenger logs is incredibly low, compared to the risk of hearing someone's voice on a podcast and thinking "I know this guy".
17:46:21 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Also it's easier to disguise your location/country when writing vs. speaking.
17:49:49 <spacekitty420[m]> <anarkiocrypto[m]> "You usually can't doxx someone..." <- satoshi got doxxed and typying patterns was linked to british scholarship (adam back (barely sociable docu series about who satoshi is))
17:50:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> <charuto> "you can if you cross match it..." <- There's been some ghostwriters of famous book discovered through stenography (?)
17:51:37 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Satoshi didn't get doxxed.
17:51:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> * There's been some ghostwriters of famous book discovered through *Wong word** (?)
17:52:09 <spacekitty420[m]> well i got doxxed cause never using uppercases so..... it's a thing
17:52:27 <charuto> spacekitty420[m]: they claim adam back was satoshi?
17:52:47 <as2333> ppl can claim anything they want...
17:52:50 <anarkiocrypto[m]> It is hugely more difficult to doxx someone via writing vs. their voice. Most people won't care enough to look at someone's writing style in detail, but they will recognize the voice of someone they know in a podcast.
17:53:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not true
17:53:12 <spacekitty420[m]> there is literally a whole profession about typing / writing patterns
17:53:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> IRS harder to get a Clive profile these days than it is to get a typing oneb
17:53:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Google, Facebook and evryone else watch everything you type 
17:53:27 <spacekitty420[m]> how some people writing some single letter and such
17:53:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Except for my autocorrect. That just plain sucks.
17:53:42 <spacekitty420[m]> satoshi was not just about the double space either
17:54:07 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Google, Facebook, etc. are not your neighbors, colleagues, friends, etc. who would easily recognize your voice from a podcast episode.
17:54:22 <as2333> so adam back has a million bitcoins? cool 
17:54:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats not doxxing
17:54:32 <Rucknium[m]> ofrnxmr: Stylometry  https://serhack.me/articles/unveiling-anonymous-author-stylometry-techniques/
17:54:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thank you ruck
17:54:57 <anarkiocrypto[m]> I am not talking about "mass surveillance" but people matching your real life to your online pseudonym via recognizing your voice.
17:55:07 <SerHack> Thanks for having mentioned my blog :)
17:55:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thanks for writing it
17:56:04 <spacekitty420[m]> oh shit, dont mind my messages, for some reason they getting delayed....
17:56:08 <charuto> anarkiocrypto[m]: for that, usually applying a decent filter is enough, but yeah, TTS (maybe combined with STT) would be even better.
17:56:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> If the adversary is friends and family... thats a different opsec and you, as a guest etc, would be crazy to use your voice
17:56:49 <anarkiocrypto[m]> A filter can't change your accent or the way you speak (but if you were good enough at acting, you could maybe fake a different regional accent).
17:56:51 <charuto> wait i mean STT combined with TTS.
17:57:16 <charuto> so the podcast could flow relatively naturaly
17:58:07 <charuto> s/naturaly/naturally/
17:58:17 <anarkiocrypto[m]> The adversary is someone who knows you in real life and would listen to the podcast and think "hey I know this guy". Additionally, your real life identity could be narrowed down via the accent (e.g. if you have a New York accent or a German accent).
17:59:12 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Speech-to-text still has the issue that neighbors or roommates could overhear you (unless you have good soundproofing, which is rare).
17:59:34 <charuto> anarkiocrypto[m]: they can't but usually an accent is not enough to be identified by close people, many people share the same accents
17:59:34 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Typing provides significantly better privacy.
18:00:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> anarkiocrypto[m]: If your opsec is this high, you shouldn't be broadcasting 
18:00:11 <anarkiocrypto[m]> An accent could narrow down "This guy could be from anywhere" to "This guy is probably German".
18:00:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Youd submit info and have someone else broadcast ir
18:00:32 <anarkiocrypto[m]> All my videos here use text-to-speech: https://tube.tchncs.de/c/anarkio/videos?s=1
18:00:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^ thanks for an example.  Will check out
18:01:25 <anarkiocrypto[m]> I recommend voicemaker.in or murf.ai (bypass the free limits by switching Tor exit nodes).
23:36:39 <NotMtth[m]> <anarkiocrypto[m]> "I like the idea of text-to-..." <- That tool is amazing yeah, very realistic voices