00:29:32 is the monero-wallet starts a node automatically? 00:30:11 does* 00:31:49 depends what wallet mode you choose (gui) 00:32:47 & Whats another purpose for a node? other then contributing to strengthen the network 00:33:00 plowsof: i use cli 00:35:04 you must run ./monerod yourself for cli 00:35:18 or point it to a remote node 00:36:55 using your own local node is recommended for privacy reasons. 00:38:22 https://yewtu.be/watch?v=n6Bxp0k7Uqg info about remote nodes / trade offs 00:49:14 plowsof: okay perfect thank you! 09:29:49 Hello 09:30:26 I have been asking around for help regarding getting my monerod work over clearnet, tor and i2p networks. 09:31:04 Can someone help me with these questions? https://old.reddit.com/r/monerosupport/comments/z8n04u/can_someone_post_a_working_example_of_a/ 09:34:51 Remove the "add-peer"s 09:35:01 Remove priority nodes 09:37:20 If you cant forward clearnet ports, incoming blockchain sync isnt possible 09:37:43 You still contribute via outgoing connections 09:37:46 ofrnxmr[m]: So monero can't seed the blockchain data over tor/i2p? 09:38:12 ofrnxmr[m]: these are for relaying the transactions? 09:40:13 No incoming connections over tor, correct 09:40:38 But youre blockchain sync isnt setup to go over tor, its clearnet. 09:41:17 And your isp isnt allowing port forwarding, so youre only able to male outgoing connections = you only have incoming connections because if you DO you tor, you still dont have incoming 09:41:31 Okay. So, by adding tor and i2p addresses as anonymous-inbound= directive, what does my monerod gain? 09:41:35 s/because/and/ 09:41:43 Relaying tx 09:41:54 Alright. Fair. 09:42:13 Why do you suggest me to remove the "add-peer=" and "priority-node=" directives? 09:42:23 --proxy puts monerod blockchain sync over tor (again, outgoing connections only) 09:42:27 I stumbled upon that suggestion during my reads through reddit/stackexchange threads. 09:42:32 mechanic41turk[m: Not needed since 18.0 09:42:42 ofrnxmr[m]: Ah OK. I will remove then. 09:43:05 ofrnxmr[m]: Understood. Thanks. 09:43:34 ofrnxmr: can you also help me understand why I am not able to issue `./monerod print_cn` command? 09:43:43 Yeaj 09:43:52 Use the command how you just wrote it^ and it will work 09:44:12 ofrnxmr[m]: I am pretty sure it didn't last time I tried. But let me try once again now and answer you. 09:44:16 The bind port flag you added before is unneeded 09:44:38 Its just ./monerod print_cn 09:44:48 ofrnxmr[m]: ```... (full message at ) 09:44:54 It gives an error. 09:45:02 Oh 09:45:15 Your config is broken... change............... 1sec 09:45:38 OK 09:48:26 (Its your restricted rpc btw. 1sec) 09:50:31 Yeah, that was my suspicion, too. 09:51:59 https://paste.centos.org/view/44124397 09:52:20 ofrnxmr[m]: Taking a look rn 09:52:47 And then change torrc 18081 > 18089 09:53:13 ofrnxmr[m]: Got it. 09:53:55 So that clears up my confusion around why I couldn't issue print_cn command to my monerod. 09:54:14 I will try that very soon. But before I go and do that, can you also take a look at the question 3) there? 09:54:22 It is about the port 18082 09:54:26 s/18082/18083/ 09:55:01 Anon inbound doesnt do blockchain sync 09:55:10 hmm.. 09:55:10 Of does peer lists and handshakes and other lite stuff 09:55:22 Alright 09:55:33 So its ot binded to 18080, its a different "p2p" on a differnent port 09:55:51 Cool. I didn't know that. 09:56:04 Not* binded. 09:56:04 18080 is for clearnet/ipv4 traffic 09:56:53 Also, isn't using the port 18083 for tor peer list AND zmq-pub port (p2pool recommends that way) causing collision of using the same port for two different aims? 09:57:02 Yes 09:57:18 Uh.. so what should we do to mitigate that? 09:57:18 I use 18084 for tor.. personally. And 18083 for zmq 09:57:21 Others do the opposite 09:57:28 hmm 09:58:07 so, can p2pool running on the same machine pick up on your setting for 18084 port? Does p2pool automatically see that? 09:58:34 or is p2pool hardcoded to recognize only the port 18083? 09:58:43 p2pool has command line parameter for this 09:58:46 mechanic41turk[m: No, I dont believe so 09:59:03 sech1: How can I make p2pool recognize that? 09:59:13 --zmq-pub tcp://127.0.0.1:18084 09:59:27 sech1: Bu that's for monerod config, right? 09:59:36 P2pool startup flag 10:00:01 https://p2pool.io/mini/#help mentions that --zmq-pub flag is for monerod 10:00:11 it doesn't show it for "Setup P2pool" header 10:00:31 My mistake, spoke too soon 10:01:02 sech1: can you answer that? 10:01:06 https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool/blob/master/docs/COMMAND_LINE.MD 10:01:14 --zmq-port 18084 10:01:16 sech1: looking into it rn 10:01:44 sech1: Alright. That's cool. So I can set zmq-pub option both for monerod and for p2pool 10:01:56 Got it. That clears up my confusion regarding that, too. 10:02:37 Alright guys. That's it. I got my questions cleared up. Now let me go and do the config changes as you guys suggested. 10:02:38 Thanks. 10:03:30 miners usually don't use tor because it destroys the latency 10:03:42 so 18083 is fine to use for miners 10:03:55 yeah, I see that 10:04:13 however, I am aiming to have my monerod connections over clearnet, tor and i2p, AND get the p2pool working on the same machine 10:04:25 so I was having a "port collision" issue there. 10:04:56 Thats fine 10:05:08 I use 10:05:08 Zmq 18038 and tor 18084 10:05:21 Zmq 18083** 10:05:24 Yeah, I will do the opposite. Zmq 18084 and tor 18083 10:06:44 Btw.. you can also setup onion to port 3333 in order to access the p2pool stratum over onion 10:07:26 I don't think I need that. I will setup my gaming pc reach to my p2pool running raspberry pi 4 on the same LAN. 10:07:41 So, I will just point xmrig to my raspberry's local IP 10:10:22 Does p2pool / monerod on a pi verify fast enough to mine? 10:10:39 I will see that. I don't know yet. 10:14:40 Im just thinking... (full message at ) 10:15:58 "https://paste.centos.org/view/44..." <- ofrnxmr: do I still need to keep the `restricted-rpc=1` line if I do your changes? 10:16:41 Comment out or delete that line + confirm-external-bind 10:17:07 ofrnxmr[m]: Alright. Both of those lines are going to be commented out. 10:17:49 I never use them since restricted-rpc flags are now available 10:18:54 .. they are still in my config though, just commented out. 10:26:15 "https://paste.centos.org/view/44..." <- Hey, these indeed worked! Now I am able to issue `./monerod print_cn` command and see the clearnet, tor and i2p peers that I have connected to. Awesome. 10:29:37 ./monerod sync_info might be more human readable 10:32:48 ofrnxmr[m]: very good 👍️ 11:13:32 sech1: I am setting up p2pool. Where does the p2pool write its blockchain data? Which filesystem location? I am moving the binaries to /opt/p2pool, and have created a system user "p2pool." So, I would like to know where in the filesystem should I prepare a diskspace for the p2pool blockchain data. 11:17:11 p2pool doesn't store blockchain 11:17:29 it only has p2pool.cache file, but it's limited size and you can turn it off 11:19:36 Oh cool 11:19:40 I am going to turn it off 11:20:14 Can I use --no-randomx --no-cache --light-mode options at the same time? 11:25:38 you don't need light-mode if you're using no-randomx 11:26:06 and you can only use no-randomx if you have a monerod to compute hashes for you 11:29:17 hyc: cool 11:29:48 hyc: I am going to have the same raspberry pi 4 (4 gb model) running 64 bit debian, running monerod and p2pool 11:29:59 does that mean "I have a monerod to compute hashes for me" ? 11:30:03 yes 11:30:09 nice 11:30:09 thanks 12:19:56 helo 14:52:31 Hello siren. 14:52:42 Can i meet with you. 14:52:53 I like your profil picture. 14:55:11 Heyy siren answer me 14:55:34 What 14:55:58 I don't own a ledger 14:56:02 I like your photo mrs siren 14:56:33 Which country is in your profile pic? 14:56:42 I thought you were banned josef66 14:56:43 Kazakhstan 14:57:02 Siren[m]: Are u russian woman 14:57:16 That's an insult 14:57:48 it is? 14:58:04 Kazakh != Russian 14:58:14 Kazakhs are turkic 14:58:18 Anyways this is off topic 15:03:49 How dare you! 17:09:24 Hey everyone! We launched the ability to buy XMR on the Monero.com website in 40 US states with Visa/Mastercard. It also works in most other countries, with extra payment methods. It requires KYC, so it's not for everyone, but we are excited to make the new option available. More information: https://www.reddit.com/r/cakelabs/comments/z9sx5r/buying_xmr_with_creditdebit_card_is_now_live_in/ 17:09:25 Yes, we will add this directly to the Cake Wallet and the Monero.com app in the coming months :) 17:26:35 sgp[m], nice one 17:26:41 congrats 17:27:16 How hard was that to do sgp[m]? Do you have to bunch through a bunch of hoops for Visa/MC ? 17:27:29 jump throught a bunch of hoops 17:31:05 Mochi101: Not with Visa/Mastercard with this program, but we have jumped through hoops with another program of ours. Visa is the most crypto friendly in our experience 17:31:44 I would never have imagined that. 17:31:44 sgp[m]: Congrats Amazing new feature, Thank you "Beautiful Dev's" this is a huge step , allowing more people to buy monero even tho 17:31:48 For another program of ours, yes that involved direct agreements with the processing networks to make sure it's stable 17:32:06 but that program is not live yet 17:37:27 https://usa.visa.com/solutions/crypto.html 17:40:24 from another source "Visa along with other participants is working with the “World Economic Forum on a set of policy recommendations for central banks exploring the concept of Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC).” 17:40:34 wonderful 17:58:52 The great scam is coming 17:58:52 hopefully that CBDC saturation is going to help people to choose XMR instead of some random animal scamcoins. 18:00:17 Revuo Monero. Issue 148: November 24 - December 1, 2022. http://revuo-xmr.com/issue-148.html 18:17:01 https://www.coindesk.com/layer2/2022/11/30/ftxs-collapse-was-a-crime-not-an-accident/ 18:22:04 Hard to say what is better, a crime or an accident. Both are pretty bad. 18:33:38 I heard ftx was actually a good exchange, as in their software worked quite well etc... 18:34:17 amazes me how big it got considering the people running don't seem particularly competent 18:54:23 Because they stole money, it was all planed at the end 18:55:04 They would have been able to keep it on if CZ would not have warned about it's FTT selling 18:56:44 but not anybody would've been able to pull this off 18:57:09 they seem dumb but they're smart? 18:57:23 they fooled many billionaires 19:49:06 On one hand, I'd love to have a local Monero meetup. On the other hand, it'd probably be 80% feds. 19:52:52 That's the reason I did not go to local monero meetup :D 19:52:52 Doxing yourself as a Monero user in a third world country, no thanks. 19:53:41 oh, damn 19:53:50 Yeah, I could see that being potentially dangerous. 19:54:36 'third world country' lawl 19:54:54 Same reason I don't try to convert local into accepting Monero... It's unfortunate but I don't want them to know I own crypto 19:56:31 s/local/locals/ 20:01:23 While it's perfectly reasonable to be outraged at the way US Gov fucks around with stuff like cryptocurrencies, I think a lot of people in the US just aren't cognizant of how easy we have it in some respects with ability to do stuff like using Monero without getting our lives totally fucked. 20:01:46 (for now, at least) 20:03:11 RavFX[m] you should go back to your 'first world' 20:03:48 Yeah. 20:03:48 In some country, normal people wagies are like 300$ a month... 20:03:48 If people know you have crypto. Well, they don't know how much you own but it's a lot more than what they have... they might want it ;) 20:03:52 RavFX[m]: Unfortunately, if you want to be very cautious about it, you just needto cultivate close friendships with people you know couldn't be quislings, snitches, or jackboots before you bring them into the fold. 20:04:14 as2333: naa, I'm fine living like a kind with almost nothing, rent like 100$ a month for a house lol 20:04:21 s/needto/need to/ 20:04:21 s/kind/king/ 20:04:57 RavFX[m] sure, you're so above those thieveing locals 20:05:28 And only "first world country" that have the option to make ATM pop out money with only a code is Russia. 20:05:28 And Russia is cold 20:06:41 Russia is Second World in the first/second/third world paradigm. 20:06:47 as2333: Actually never got a local to steal from me and locals here are great and friendly, but I just won't tell them that I have crypto 20:07:11 only some very close one know... 20:07:23 The division was based on cold war politics. First world nations were US-aligned, second world nations were USSR-aligned, and third world nations were "everyone else". 20:07:48 RavFX[m]: as2333 is insulting you, in case it's not obvious 20:08:03 RavFX[m]: I don't think it's illegal to own or mine crypto in Russia, are privacy coins banned? I'm not aware of any ban in russia 20:08:35 I do like Russia but I don't like sub 0C temperatures 20:08:38 apotheon is an 'ex' US military murder. 20:08:50 Russia's rich and powerful benefit from Monero, so I suspect that either Monero is tolerated there in general or enforcement is very, very selective. 20:08:51 in case people are not aware 20:09:31 Yeah, crypto fine in russia. 20:09:31 And it's easy to teleport some at random ATM when you need cash, without KYC 20:09:33 also he's not me spokesperson. 20:09:37 my* 20:10:14 as2333: I bet you were spouting philosophical ideals at age two, and have never made a mistake in your life on matters of right and wrong, if we judge you by the same standards you seem to use to judge others. 20:10:21 > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Yeah, crypto fine in russia. 20:10:21 > And it's easy to teleport some at random ATM when you need cash, without KYC 20:10:21 nice, I know of one ATM in the city here (I live in Czechia), but it's only for BTC and litecoin and I generally care only XMR with me on my phone 20:10:32 > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Yeah.... (full message at ) 20:10:36 for a shit meme 20:10:37 * nice, I know of one ATM in the city here (I live in Czechia), but it's only for BTC and litecoin and I generally carry only XMR with me on my phone 20:11:08 apotheon learn to shut up 20:11:15 har 20:11:23 lou: I mean bank atm. 20:11:24 go on localmonero or localbitcoins 20:11:24 use cash at ATM option with you want cash 20:11:24 then contact give you a code, you walk to that whatever bank the code is for and just use "operation without card" on the ATM, type the code, grab the money! 20:11:34 s/with/when/ 20:12:03 > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> lou: I mean bank atm.... (full message at ) 20:12:21 I never ever saw a crypto ATM in my life. 20:12:26 Luckily, as2333 is incorrect about me being a murderer. I haven't killed anyone. 20:12:39 not even in self defense 20:12:47 me nether, I have to convert them to bitcorn when I plan to dump 20:12:52 RavFX[m]: no wait, there' actually two of them in my city 20:13:01 * wait, there's actually 20:13:43 RavFX[m]: Around here, all the cryptocurrency ATMs are surveillance devices. They require KYC for any nontrivial amount, and require identification through mechanisms that are themselves ultimately subject to KYC even for small transactions. 20:14:27 apotheon: I've never actually tried using a crypto ATM, but it's probably the same everywhere in the west 20:14:27 KYC/AML everywhere 20:14:34 Yeah, I like when normal bank ATM have "operation without card" 20:14:34 Most of Latin america have that option. 20:14:34 Also Russia, Romania and I got a report that UK have them too 20:14:46 apotheon you're a murder accomplice, by definition. 20:14:46 I don't know how many cryptocurrency ATMs are in my town of something like 80K, but I'm pretty sure it's at least three. 20:14:56 a little more in the neighboring town of about 140K 20:15:11 lou[m]: yeah, it's pretty sad 20:16:06 as2333: Do you pay taxes? I guess you're paying contract killers. Off with your head. 20:16:09 RavFX[m]: Me neither, and I live in what's considered a "first-world country". 20:16:09 According to coinatmradar, there are 20 ATMs in italy, and they are mostly in Rome or Naples. 20:16:09 20 ATMs for 60 million people. That's about 1 ATM per 3 million people. 20:16:24 normal bank ATM have no fees (when you want to dump) 20:16:24 And when you want to buy, just buy it at the convenient store 20:16:26 20:14 < RavFX[m]> Yeah, I like when normal bank ATM have "operation without card" 20:16:29 nothing like that here 20:16:40 crypto ATM have huge scamfees from what I know 20:17:48 apotheon like the good US military murder you are you just pretend that the victims of theft are to blame. 20:17:50 Withdrawal fees for ATMs are pretty standard here. 20:17:57 15:03 < RavFX[m]> If people know you have crypto. Well, they don't know how much you own but it's a lot more than what 20:18:22 apotheon anyway, I won't be replying to your garbage. 20:18:32 as2333: You lack ability to understand either of nuance and parody. 20:18:43 you are a psycho 20:18:48 wormrobot: Yeah, they can think I have a few thousand BTC or 0 but yeah, they don't know how much 20:19:01 charming 20:19:48 I had an idea to make a DIY crypto ATM that exchanges cash for crypto and vise versa. I could list all the components and document how to assemble it all together, also write open source software for it. So people can build it themselves and place it in their cafes, shops etc. I don't know if it makes any sense but sounds doable. 20:19:53 Cannot be regulated of course 20:20:40 as2333: Have you no ability to perform the basics of mental modelling to understand others' states of mind? 20:20:47 You just need some money counting / dispensing device. 20:20:47 rest is off the shelf computer parts... and a nice casing 20:21:28 > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> You just need some money counting / dispensing device. 20:21:28 > 20:21:28 > rest is off the shelf computer parts... and a nice casing 20:21:28 yup also could probably get a part for verifying if whether the bills are legit 20:21:42 Siren[m]: I don't think shops would put it, considering that most people barely knows Bitcoin exists and doesn't know other cryptos, and shopkeepers are afraid of having legal issues. 20:22:07 this would 100% cause legal issues if someone reported it 20:22:38 Siren[m]: + there sometimes are random check ups at shops 20:22:43 but I think it would be a cool little vending machine-like thing to place in your local hackerspace etc 20:22:47 s/+/plus/ 20:22:57 so you can exchange between your peers lmao 20:23:09 Siren[m]: Pardon my ignorance, what's an hackerspace? 20:23:29 I'm fine with Latin america way 20:23:29 * go to convenient store to buy 20:23:29 * use "operation without card" on normal ATM to sell 20:23:29 Bitcoin ATM are great but then people see you using it and so know you have an unknow amount of crypto 20:23:31 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackerspace 20:24:00 "A hackerspace (also referred to as a hacklab, hackspace, or makerspace) is a community-operated, often "not for profit" (501(c)(3) in the United States), workspace where people with common interests, such as computers, machining, technology, science, digital art, or electronic art, can meet, socialize, and collaborate." 20:25:26 I don't think I've ever heard of them being called hacklabs" or "hackspaces". Those are new to me. I know of a particular local hackerspace whose name is "Creatorspace", and the people who frequent it tend to use the term "makerspace" in the generic sense. I've always just called them hackerspaces, though. 20:25:31 > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> I'm fine with Latin america way... (full message at ) 20:25:37 : ( 20:25:42 RavFX[m]: yeah i wouldnt recommend u to do so either, i think they will take you hostage for your keys 20:25:43 I have friends irl that use monero 20:26:14 wormrobot: Probably depend where and who see you using them 20:26:14 But it did append in the past 20:26:43 apotheon: It makes sense they don't call it "hackerspaces", as the word "hacker" resembles "internet criminal" 20:26:54 > <@apotheon:libera.chat> I don't think I've ever heard of them being called hacklabs" or "hackspaces". Those are new to me. I know of a particular local hackerspace whose name is "Creatorspace", and the people who frequent it tend to use the term "makerspace" in the generic sense. I've always just called them hackerspaces, though. 20:26:55 * It makes sense they don't call it "hackerspaces", as the word "hacker" is, in common dictionary, "internet criminal" 20:27:02 eh, fuck people who insist that's the only meaning of "hacker" 20:27:23 ++ 20:27:35 xfedex[m]: hacker doesn't mean internet criminal, what you're referring to is a cracker 20:27:39 "internet criminal" is the detourned word for hacker 20:27:40 xfedex[m]: I'm not saying that's you, by the way. No insult was intended. 20:27:58 https://stallman.org/articles/on-hacking.html 20:28:05 * "internet criminal" is the detourned word for hacker 20:28:05 Hackers where before Internet.... 20:28:06 Siren[m]: wish i knew about a local cyberspace i want to meet other cool smart hackers 20:28:34 Siren[m]: Well, not everyone is an expert at english words, so at least in Italian, hacker = internet criminal 20:28:44 Same here. 20:28:44 But there is none here really, except maybe some rare one in big cities 20:29:58 xfedex[m]: well you should correct them in that case 20:30:26 even calling it something like "cyber crime" or "internetz pirate!!!" is more accurate 20:30:34 It's not always reasonable to educate others on terms like that. 20:30:42 nothing wrong with pirates in the digital sense 20:31:07 in several languages computer criminals translate to computer pirate 20:31:22 not that it's the perfect term for it but certainly better than calling it a hacker 20:31:23 That's pretty awful. 20:31:48 a hacker could be someone who modded his car or something random like that 20:32:02 doesn't have to do anything with computer crime 20:32:12 Piracy (copying data) is criminalized in most of the world, but that doesn't mean most computer crime has anything to do with piracy. 20:32:20 The media is stupid for misusing this term 20:32:33 Siren[m]: We have another term for that in Italian: "smanettone" 20:32:38 Siren[m]: exact, real definition of hacker 20:32:40 Siren[m]: i agree 20:32:51 apotheon: the term "computer pirate" in those languages aren't referring to computer piracy 20:32:56 it's more like somalian pirates 20:33:10 someone who thinker with computerz... 20:34:11 It's funny how one can say "computer pirate" doesn't refer to "computer piracy". 20:34:32 arrrrr 20:34:35 raw UwU 20:34:36 Siren[m]: for example https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bilgisayar_korsan%C4%B1 literally translates to "computer pirate" yet it means "**malevolent** hacker: cracker" 20:34:45 * rawr UwU 20:34:49 The RIAA convinced me that pirates are better than ninja. 20:35:04 spacekitty420[m]: arr, matey 20:35:24 I want to install a 11th gen Core i7 in my thin PC (only support 10th gen cpu), will have to dump BIOS eeprom and add new intel cpu microcode in it.. Then flash it back and try with a 11th gen CPU. 20:35:25 blep 20:35:49 RavFX[m]: seems like intricate work 20:36:14 RavFX: sounds like a headache... can't u just sell mobo and buy new one with proper socket? 20:36:17 RavFX[m]: It's awesome if you can make it work. 20:36:49 I don't keep up with hardware shit for the most part, and haven't for a long time. 20:36:50 I want a 11th gen, I have 3200MT/s memory in that computer, 64GB of it but 10th gen only support 2666.. 20:36:50 plus the 11th gen equivalent (10500t -> 11500t) is like 25% faster too 20:36:56 spacekitty420[m]: it's the same socket 20:37:02 on the normal motherboard you can replace 10th with 11th 20:37:19 The current state of hardware is a security shitshow, and it's depressing. 20:37:25 but it's thin PC, like Lenovo Thinkcenter, it's super small but they want you to buy a "Gen 2" of the same model for 11th gen 20:38:01 Shit, I don't even remember what's in my laptop. 20:38:14 from what I understand they just don't include microcode of new CPU GEN so it just won't boot if you swap CPU 20:38:27 It's a . . . umm . . . a laptop. It runs OpenBSD. Yeah, that's what kind of hardware it has. 20:39:19 I find my interests drifting away from a lot of the computer stuff that used to interest me. 20:39:54 That might change if efficient home fabrication of CPUs becomes a thing. 20:40:09 Normal atx board from asus, msi, gigabytes and other brand names have BIOS update that add microcode when new CPU are released, but not the case for Lenovo, HP.... 20:40:29 apotheon: why do you thing you are u losing interest 20:40:56 s/losing/loosing 20:41:13 because the values driving these aspects of computer industry are so wildly way the fuck backward relative to my own values that it's just miserable 20:41:39 It's always a choice between flavors of shit sandwich. 20:42:33 apotheon: ayyyy south park reference \o/ :3 20:42:48 yeah 20:42:54 politics is a shitshow, too 20:43:03 Same for me actually. 20:43:04 Computer where great and fun from 8086 -> AthlonXP 20:43:04 Then all that stuff began just more boring and just the same 20:43:23 I forgot the other candidate's type; I only recall the shit sandwich, off the top of my head. 20:43:31 so I just use them because I work with them 20:44:11 shit sandwich? isn't that EOS? 20:44:31 * shit sandwich? isn't that EOS? 20:44:31 Dan's shit sandwich :D 20:44:32 apotheon: douche or shit sandwich, was something like that, fuck... been forever they did those LOL 20:45:43 RavFX[m]: Yeah, at this point there are basically just three concerns when looking at CPUs. 1. Does it run my software? (yes) 2. Is it efficient enough for me to get reasonable battery life? (shop around for laptops, don't really need to know about the CPU itself for this) 3. Is it a well-designed CPU with reasonable characteristics for reliability and security? (fuck no, but you're going 20:45:49 to have to use it anyway, so shut up and suffer) 20:46:28 There's a fourth concern if you want to do some cryptocurrency mining, though. 20:46:37 > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Same for me actually. 20:46:37 > Computer where great and fun from 8086 -> AthlonXP 20:46:37 > Then all that stuff began just more boring and just the same 20:46:37 couldnt have much virtualization fun back then tho, not enough cores, not enough ram... now can literally have near server-grade at home for cheaper than what a gaming computer would cost back then 20:46:41 apotheon: yeah, it's basically that now. 20:46:42 I do like efficiency as my house is 100% solar powered (I ripped the grid wired out) 20:46:52 s/wired/wiring/ 20:47:02 spacekitty420[m]: Oh, giant douche. 20:47:04 spacekitty420[m]: just get moar computerz 20:47:06 spacekitty420[m]: thanks 20:47:43 And now all the fun is gone thanks to AMD obsoleting overclocking 😥 20:47:53 I've always found virtualization a pain. 20:48:08 RavFX: how? got fucked so bad by paypal cause wasnt 18 at the time and those mofos literally stole all my money... now we have monero o.o 20:49:04 spacekitty420: that's referencing what, that how? 20:49:05 Scampal are thieves! 20:49:35 Yeah, cryptocurrencies are the answer to the mainstream payment mechanisms being scam shit, just like how BitTorrent is the answer to the mainstream music distribution channels being scam shit. 20:49:38 oh, thought you meant "get moar computerz" back when it was athlonxp or somethin so was saying back then fuck paypal 20:50:08 much better with Monero 20:50:11 Back then I used cash to get computer (I was living in some "first world country" back then so it's was available everywhere). 20:50:26 apotheon: so true lmao 20:50:34 Where I am I have to import everything so yeah, sometime you need scampal or some other way :/ 20:50:40 * I am now I have 20:50:41 It's fun watching a friend's mind get blown when using Monero for the first time, after the person had been doing all cryptocurrency business with BTC. 20:52:12 apotheon: i literally can't deal with btc for years anymore tbh, like everytime wanted to do a tx had to wait like foreeeever for the tx to go through and for some whatever reason i ALWAYS was fucking unlucky waiting furing 50mins long ass block, pressing F5 for hours on the block explorer.... 20:52:29 s/furing/during/ 20:52:44 Yeah, I don't use BTC as money. It's ridiculous. 20:53:24 Yay, BTC! I don't have to pay a three dollar ATM fee! (I do have to pay an eight dollar transaction fee, though. Well, fuck that.) 20:53:41 quick question on the topic of purchasing monero , is there anyway that is easier for gov to trace our wallet now that we purchased monero through a kyc platfor? 20:54:13 or is it "oh this person bought monero but we dont know the wallet or the coins?" 20:54:24 spacekitty420[m]: only 50 min block? 20:54:24 I got, two time, very unlucky and making TX when the rest of the world wanted to TX... > 40 hours wait at max fee, one time with unstoppable swap but fortunately the "refund" mode did work 20:54:38 "I had an idea to make a DIY..." <- There are some open source Bitcoin ATMs and vending machines, will try to find them. Would be easy to replace the Bitcoin code with Monero. I heard the commercial Bitcoin ATMs send the Bitcoin to exchanges and the cash to banks... But a DIY/indie ATM would depend on the buyers and sellers for liquidity (no bank or exchange required). It could work well in a hackerspace, meetup or cafe. 20:54:44 wormrobot: If you quickly move the exact amount from your Monero wallet to some other wallet (perhaps by sending someone money), it's easier for actualy "police work" to identify your transaction. 20:54:56 s/actualy/actual/ 20:55:53 wormrobot: In theory, though, they would know you acquired the Monero because of KYC, but wouldn't have immediate proof of what happened to the Monero after that. 20:55:59 so now the gov can add us to a list of their choice to say hey this list tells us all the people that are buying monero it can be for criminal activity or it can be just to hold as an investment, Gov says "we dont know but we gonna add them to this list and survail them" 20:56:20