01:26:27 <dANBs[m]> amoouu[xmpp]: https://t.me/FreeCoin_MoneyBOT?start=06343902764
02:36:34 <cjac> okay, so I think maybe I'm in sync?  How do I check?
02:36:48 <cjac>  /dev/mapper/vg00-bitmonero  295G  125G  155G  45% /home/cjac/.bitmonero
02:37:59 <cjac> but maybe not...
02:37:59 <cjac> The wallet's refresh-from-block-height setting is higher than the daemon's height: this may mean your wallet will skip over transactions
04:03:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> ./monerod status
04:27:13 <Mochi101> Wrong window ofrnxmr[m] 
04:43:51 <yoshi7777m> :wq
04:55:32 <plowsof11> uparrowuparrowuparrowuparrowuparrow
04:55:55 <copenhagen_bram[> lol
05:29:44 <cjac> plowsof11: I hope it makes you happy that I added a DNAT rule for port 18080
05:30:51 <plowsof11> i can finally sleep cjac, i've been worried sick, thank you <3 
05:31:04 <cjac> you're welcome.  I thought that might have been the case.
05:31:16 <plowsof11> now.. lets mine those blocks ⛏️
05:33:44 <plowsof11> thanks cjac for real :D
05:34:40 <cjac> sure thing.  Should I run monerod in my DC instead of my basement?  Latency and availability is better out there, but there's more compute in here.
05:37:34 <cjac> no SSDs out there, but there is an array of 8x10KRPM SAS drives, which are pretty performant
05:39:56 <plowsof11> i dont have much of an idea,, only that monerod and ssd sounds good 
07:57:31 <copenhagen_bram[> <Mochi101> "Wrong window ofrnxmr..." <- oh god i'm having flashbacks
07:57:37 <copenhagen_bram[> don't ever use terminator terminal emulator
07:57:53 <copenhagen_bram[> there's a simple shortcut that sends commands to all tabs
07:58:07 <copenhagen_bram[> i had it on for a while before i realized
07:58:12 <copenhagen_bram[> one of those tabs was weechat
09:19:20 <aog> is there a way to add monero ledger wallet as view only in monero GUI?
09:19:34 <aog> would like to avoid opening the hardware wallet every time I want to check funds
09:28:25 <monerobull[m]> Maybe there is some way to extract the viewkey but not sure if there is one in the gui
09:50:25 <KernelCustard[m]> <copenhagen_bram[> "don't ever use terminator..." <- i'm currently using something called Warp on my Mac, its absolutely fucking beautiful
09:50:40 <KernelCustard[m]> https://www.warp.dev/ 
09:50:57 <KernelCustard[m]> also i know people will say "ugh a mac" but i got it from work for free so i ain't gonna say no lol
10:03:11 <aog> monerobull[m]: I can only use the public view key as the private one is not extractable
10:06:48 <aog> although when I try to restore a wallet w/ keys in monero gui, it wants the private view key
10:06:57 <aog> what is the public view key for then?
10:07:36 <aog> can I use it on an explorer? what's it's purpose if it cannot be used to create a view only wallet in monero
10:08:39 <paalaa[m]> Ofrnxmr, can u come dm with me?
10:09:03 <paalaa[m]> Plowsof, can u come dm with me?
10:19:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Replied in dm
11:07:35 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Sounds exciting
11:22:47 <monerobull[m]> The ledger 25th custom word?
11:22:47 <paalaa[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:22:47 <paalaa[m]> https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360006352934-Monero-XMR-?docs=true
11:22:47 <paalaa[m]> Please read the seed recovery (advanced users) in my sent link. If you read it, you understand me. Sir, please read my article from top to bottom to understand it better.
11:22:47 <paalaa[m]> ...(truncated)
11:22:47 <monerobull[m]> Word 25 is basically an offset 
11:27:17 <paalaa[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/a7051b7c791ffc809aefb2a2dacee6d8a1c0f233>)
11:27:17 <monerobull[m]> 24 words = Address 1
11:27:17 <monerobull[m]> 24 + 1 = Address 2 (basically a different wallet)
11:27:18 <paalaa[m]> A or B?
11:27:18 <paalaa[m]> > <@monerobull:matrix.org> 24 words = Address 1
11:27:18 <paalaa[m]> > 24 + 1 = Address 2 (basically a different wallet)
11:27:18 <paalaa[m]> No. I do not passphrase. Read my written.
11:27:18 <paalaa[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:27:18 <monerobull[m]> Holy shit translate it with deeple or something 
11:27:18 <paalaa[m]> https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360006352934-Monero-XMR-?docs=true
11:27:19 <paalaa[m]> Please read the seed recovery (advanced users) in my sent link. If you read it, you understand me. Sir, please read my article from top to bottom to understand it better.
11:27:19 <monerobull[m]> We have no idea what you are trying to say
11:27:19 <monerobull[m]> plowsof: 
11:27:19 <paalaa[m]> ...(truncated)
11:27:20 <paalaa[m]> * do not mean passphrase. Read
11:27:20 <paalaa[m]> monerobull[m]: Read my written by understanding.
11:27:21 <paalaa[m]> Ofrnxmr sir. Answer me.
11:27:21 <paalaa[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/a7051b7c791ffc809aefb2a2dacee6d8a1c0f233>)
11:27:22 <paalaa[m]> Plowsof sir and ofrnxmr sir.
11:38:57 <rbrunner> monerobull[m]: This is about the 5th or 6th time somebody nags here with this 24 words versus 25 words story, with various user names, but always in the same style
11:41:51 <rbrunner> Very hard to believe in the meantime it's in good faith, IMHO
11:41:51 <monerobull[m]> I know, i tagged plowsof to mute them again 
12:09:36 <jozsef[m]> Known bot. Been kicked out of dev already.
12:14:02 <Save_G[m]> from mastering Monero:
12:14:02 <Save_G[m]> "The maximum block size is (2 * median size of the last 100 blocks), at which point the entire coinbase-reward is withheld."
12:14:03 <Save_G[m]> Does this mean that the blocksize is actually caped to that or can miners theoretically add infinite transaction after there is no block reward for that block anyway then?
12:51:17 <sech1> it's capped
12:51:30 <sech1> other nodes will not accept blocks larger than 2*median_size
12:56:54 <spackle_xmr[m]> For example, the absolute maximum size of the next block right now is 600kB (twice the 300kB minimum median value).
12:59:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> rbrunner:  the 15th or 16th*
13:03:48 <sech1> exact place where it's checked: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/src/cryptonote_basic/cryptonote_basic_impl.cpp#L107
13:05:46 <Save_G[m]> thanks
13:26:45 <DataHoarder> 10:19:19 <aog> is there a way to add monero ledger wallet as view only in monero GUI?
13:26:45 <DataHoarder> 10:28:24 <monerobull[m]> Maybe there is some way to extract the viewkey but not sure if there is one in the gui
13:26:48 <DataHoarder> yes you can
13:27:04 <DataHoarder> but you need to alter monero so it prints that view key on extraction
13:27:11 <DataHoarder> across the rest of the code it's null'd
13:27:37 <DataHoarder> so you need to create a manual view-only wallet that way
13:28:16 <DataHoarder> https://paste.debian.net/1263432/
13:29:48 <DataHoarder> then you have monero address + private view key to create the view-only wallet
13:30:43 <DataHoarder> this will output into monero logs, not console
13:31:07 <DataHoarder> and ofc, set secret spend key to empty or all 0's depending on the wallet
13:50:26 <voidbitz> does anyone know what the equivalent word in monero for satoshi....eg, what units are the decimal parts of monero? What is .001 xmr?
13:52:43 <hyc> millinero
13:52:50 <hyc> metric unit prefixes, nero suffix
13:53:02 <voidbitz> thank you 
13:59:47 <Save_G[m]> <voidbitz> "does anyone know what the..." <- piconero is the smallest unit
14:00:27 <voidbitz> thank you Save_G
14:00:36 <Save_G[m]> so people say piconero instead of satoshi
14:01:10 <Save_G[m]> 0.000000000001XMR vs 
14:01:11 <Save_G[m]> 0.00000001BTC
14:02:31 <Save_G[m]> https://bitflyer.com/en-us/s/glossary/satoshi
14:02:31 <Save_G[m]> https://www.getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/atomic-units.html
14:02:43 <voidbitz> awesome....easy, found a chart of the metric prefixes
14:03:45 <Save_G[m]> yeah I think sticking to the standard metric prefixes is much smarter then giving the smallest unit it's own name 
14:04:36 <Save_G[m]> also it would be like 10 nano btc
14:04:43 <voidbitz> more efficient it would seem
14:04:43 <Save_G[m]> doesn´t  make any sense
14:05:53 <hyc> bitcoin was never more than half-baked
14:05:59 <voidbitz> seems that pico would align with this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_prefix
14:07:16 <Save_G[m]> voidbitz: that's what you get taught first high school semester in europe
14:08:57 <voidbitz> :)...half baked, kinda like the BTC maxi's. Still a great combination of technologies of the times. Anyways, everything has its purpose and utility
14:09:38 <hyc> it was a prototype. lots of good ideas, not really workable in practice. needed more design thought.
14:09:51 <hyc> cryptonote filled in a lot of the blanks
14:14:53 <voidbitz> agreed 
14:22:51 <plowsof11> aog how to extract only view-key from ledger https://shawnhogan.com/2021/07/how-to-get-monero-private-view-key-from-ledger.html
14:22:52 <jozsef[m]> But just enough to be dangeeous.
15:41:49 <gingeropolous> gah, whats that math trick that lets you avoid the conditional like "if x = 30 return 1"
15:42:08 <gingeropolous> oh yeah modulo
15:47:41 <gingeropolous> nah thats not it
15:48:09 <plowsof11> im trying to think 
15:48:41 <plowsof11> case/switch? 
15:48:47 <plowsof11> oh 'math' - don't ask me xD
15:53:44 <sech1> it's a programming trick, and there are many of them
15:53:46 <sech1> https://web.archive.org/web/20110627135509/http://altdevblogaday.org/2011/06/24/old-tricks-new-dogs-removing-branches/
15:55:40 <plowsof11> oh thanks
16:54:53 <erembax[m]> I'm trying to mine on p2pool mini from the gui. The gui tells me I'm mining but I'm definitely not. 
16:54:53 <erembax[m]> I'm trying to troubleshoot by running the command "./p2pool" from /opt/monero 
16:57:52 <erembax[m]> I get an error message: Log failed to open p2pool.log and some usage information
16:57:52 <erembax[m]> If I run ./p2pool --host 127.0.0.1 --wallet MYADDRESS I still get the error message it does appear to start syncing
16:57:53 <erembax[m]> does the command have to include all of this:
16:57:53 <erembax[m]> ./p2pool --host 127.0.0.1 --rpc-port 18081 --zmq-port 18083 --wallet YOUR_WALLET_ADDRESS --stratum 0.0.0.0:3333 --p2p 0.0.0.0:37889
16:58:59 <erembax[m]> I do not have anything related to zmq set in my monerod config file, nor do I know what a stratum server is or why I should specify --p2P
17:00:24 <erembax[m]> regarding the p2pool.log file, I can see it has different permissions that the p2pool file:
17:00:24 <erembax[m]> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root  root    2862648 Jul  8 16:50 p2pool
17:00:24 <erembax[m]> -rw------- 1 root  root       6262 Dec  8 22:23 p2pool.log
17:34:02 <sech1> it can't open p2pool.log because only root has permissions for it
17:34:51 <sech1> what's the full path to p2pool binary? what are file permissions on that folder and what user do you run it under?
17:50:36 <erembax[m]> /opt/monero/p2pool
17:50:36 <erembax[m]> the file permissions for /opt/monero are
17:50:36 <erembax[m]> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 Dec  8 22:23 monero
17:50:36 <erembax[m]> I tried to run p2pool under my regular user
17:51:32 <erembax[m]> ok I made myself owner or p2pool.log and now I don't have the error anymore
18:00:17 <erembax[m]> Ok, I think I know what's going on. I'm running p2pool as a regular user, which means it cannot write to /opt/monero because it's owned by root. 
18:10:41 <wormrobot> move it out of /opt/ and put it in ~/ 
18:11:13 <wormrobot> thats the first step in my opinion
18:12:23 <Save_G[m]> https://cryptoanarchy.wiki/#notable-projects
18:13:09 <wormrobot> Save_G[m]: why isnt monero in there
18:13:14 <Save_G[m]> why is centralised etherium and bitcoin on there but not Monero has anyone talked to the people running the cryptoanarchy movement?
18:15:39 <yoshi7777m> make a pull request: https://github.com/cryptoanarchywiki/cryptoanarchywiki.github.io
18:17:56 <yoshi7777m> homie got ukraine flags on his twitter tho....good luck 
18:22:26 <yoshi7777m> it doesn't look like some organization or collective, just some dude
18:22:47 <wormrobot> yoshi7777m: ill make a pull request about adding monero
18:22:56 <erembax[m]> <wormrobot> "move it out of /opt/ and put..." <- yes, did that and now i can mine to p2pool from gui :-)
18:23:25 <wormrobot> erembax[m]: nice!
18:23:52 <wormrobot> erembax[m]: was that your initial purpose? 
18:29:54 <wormrobot> yoshi7777m: just some dude <--- hahahaha
18:45:40 <erembax[m]> everything is in ~ now, daemon launches at start, p2pool mining works all is good
18:45:41 <erembax[m]> <wormrobot> "erembax: was that your initial..." <- just mini to p2pool mini with the gui
18:49:00 <as2333> speaking of cryptoanarchy, I had missed this little comedy
18:49:11 <as2333> https://www.wired.com/story/signal-mobilecoin-payments-messaging-cryptocurrency/
18:49:27 <as2333> "For now it's listed for sale on just one cryptocurrency exchange, FTX,"
18:49:44 <as2333> "its 250 million coins, at around $69 each, are currently worth almost $17 billion dollars in total."
18:49:55 <erembax[m]> wormrobot: are there any recommended p2pool startup flags that are recommended when mining with the gui?
18:53:53 <dANBs[m]> rmonteiro[xmpp]: Hi I'm new here
18:53:54 <zone117x> is there a known regression with sync speed on MacOS (M1/arm64)? it took more time to sync the last ~2 months of chain state on Mac than syncing the _entire_ chain state on a linux machine. both on the same network, both with SSDs, and with the MacOS machine having better CPU and SSD performance.
18:54:16 <dANBs[m]> rmonteiro[xmpp]: What does my username shoe up as when I type all I see is is a capital r
18:56:29 <RavFX[m]> How much RAM on that Mac?
18:58:43 <zone117x> 32 GB on both machines. it never used more than 2GB from what I could see
19:00:03 <selsta> zone117x: which version?
19:00:37 <selsta> and when did you sync up on macOS and when Linux
19:01:07 <zone117x> latest versions as of today. did both today
19:01:15 <zone117x> latest from github releases 
19:01:17 <RavFX[m]> Did not know Apple was making 32GB Mac with M1, nice to know.
19:01:18 <RavFX[m]> My monero daemon use 10.1GB in a 16GB VM
19:01:18 <RavFX[m]> 164GB virtual so the whole blockchain is "allocated" in "ram"
19:01:26 <RavFX[m]> if you're only use 2GB then my guess is that it constantly use the storage to validate each TX instead of using some local cache in RAM, slowing down the whole process by a few order of magnitude
19:01:42 <selsta> there's no 32gb m1 as far as i'm aware of
19:01:45 <selsta> m1 pro only
19:02:40 <zone117x> you folks are living in 2020 :) there are 64GB models available 
19:03:30 <selsta> do you have the time it took to sync for both?
19:05:06 <zone117x> > if you're only use 2GB then my guess is that it constantly use the storage to validate each TX instead of using some local cache in RAM, slowing down the whole process by a few order of magnitude
19:05:06 <zone117x> this is pretty strange to me. disk usage never appeared to be anywhere close to peak. even if this was the problem, it would be strange to me if the buffering/threading implementation was so poor that a potential bottleneck in disk slowed down everything else (as opposed to buffering more data in memory)
19:07:56 <RavFX[m]> don't need to peek.
19:07:56 <RavFX[m]> data access take more time when the TX are read from disk.
19:08:00 <RavFX[m]> * from disk/ssd.
19:08:50 <RavFX[m]> if you add 1ms for each TX to read plus 1ms for each TX decoy from that TX to read then it really addup at the end
19:09:58 <selsta> i've synced up both m1 mac and linux system and didn't notice major differences
19:10:13 <selsta> so i would be interested in the approx sync time on both
19:14:51 <zone117x> @RavFX you misunderstand -- if disk was a bottleneck, I'd expect the network thread to saturate the memory buffer. surely the implementation is not so naive to make the network stack completely block IO on CPU or disk operations for each received block/tx
19:16:44 <zone117x> @seltsa 
19:16:44 <zone117x> > so i would be interested in the approx sync time on both
19:16:44 <zone117x> syncing the last ~2 months of history took about 6 hours, syncing the entire history from scratch took about 5 hours
19:17:21 <zone117x> first one on an M1 macbook, second on a linux machine. the M1 hardware is better in pretty much every way
19:18:55 <selsta> 5 hours for a full sync sounds too quick
19:19:25 <selsta> can you post the exact specs for the linux machine, or at least the exact ssd,
19:19:26 <selsta> ?
19:19:31 <RavFX[m]> You are not the only one who did notice big slowdown at the end of the sync.
19:19:31 <RavFX[m]> What I was making high performance HDD sync test, the last ~1-2% took a LOT more time
19:19:37 <RavFX[m]> s/What/When/
19:20:26 <RavFX[m]> With a LOT of cache miss
19:28:30 <zone117x> > can you post the exact specs for the linux machine, or at least the exact ssd,
19:28:30 <zone117x> ssd: Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe
19:28:30 <zone117x> cpu: i7-11700K
19:35:18 <erembax[m]> > /opt/monero/p2pool... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/96764e56a62ed9383e68be63cec2d3e3c50891a0>)
19:39:20 <zone117x> the linux machine is using around 2.5x the amount of CPU, memory, and network
19:39:55 <zone117x> neither saturated disk usage 
19:41:13 <Guest30> Testing
19:44:02 <selsta> zone117x: all I can say is that 5h sync time sound unusually fast, usually it's 12h
19:44:16 <selsta> never heard anyone report such a short sync time so that's why i'm confused
19:45:27 <selsta> random disk IO speed is the most important variable for sync time
20:47:02 <eudaimon36[m]> hey, guys: any reason I wouldn't be able to start the GUI through proxychains? Just learning proxychains, but I've been able to successfully start all apps with it except the Monero GUI. 
20:55:14 <jozsef[m]> Maybe because
20:55:14 <jozsef[m]> > this program works only on dynamically linked programs
20:55:14 <jozsef[m]> https://github.com/haad/proxychains
20:56:46 <jozsef[m]> Monerod is usually statically linked, is the gui?
21:06:01 <RavFX[m]> If you download the binaries, yes.
21:06:01 <RavFX[m]> That way it just work on all configurations.
21:06:44 <RavFX[m]> else you gonna need a download version available for all version of ubuntu, all version of fedora, all version of whatever....
21:11:52 <eudaimon36[m]> So dumbing things down a bit for me: the conclusion is I should give up attempting to run the GUI through proxychains?  
21:12:48 <RavFX[m]> eudaimon36[m]: Exact.
21:12:48 <RavFX[m]> Or compile monero yourself
21:13:05 <eudaimon36[m]> lol
21:13:13 <eudaimon36[m]> I'll go with the first option!
21:13:24 <RavFX[m]> that way it's not gonna be static
21:13:25 <eudaimon36[m]> Thanks
21:13:26 <RavFX[m]> ok!
21:16:21 <selsta> eudaimon36[m]: monero-gui supports proxys when you go to settings -> interface
21:16:28 <selsta> no need for an external program
21:20:51 <eudaimon36[m]> selsta: Ok, this makes sense, I'll study that a bit. 
21:21:24 <eudaimon36[m]> Is it possible I damaged something with the GUI attempting to run it through proxychains? 
21:22:07 <eudaimon36[m]> now the wallet doesn't connect to the daemon
21:28:46 <selsta> eudaimon36[m]: did you enable proxy?
21:28:58 <selsta> no it's not possible to damage something
21:29:45 <eudaimon36[m]> hmm, ok. I'll play around and see what I F-ed up
21:37:49 <selsta> eudaimon36[m]: if you enable proxy in Settings -> Interface and don't set IP / port right it will not connect to a node
22:52:13 <eudaimon36[m]> <selsta> "eudaimon36: if you enable..." <- I've been reading everything I can find online about this Socks5 Proxy option within the Interface. Having done so, however, it's still a bit unclear. In particular, I'm wondering how this affects my currently used full node. And also, I assume I must first start my Tor service before running the wallet with this set. (I'm very new to all this, so I apologize if I haven't even formulated the
22:52:13 <eudaimon36[m]> questions properly)
22:53:48 <selsta> if you want to proxy traffic through Tor you have to be running Tor first
22:54:15 <selsta> so if you are running a local node on the same machine then you want to proxy the node traffic and not the wallet traffic
22:54:32 <selsta> because node <-> is local anyway
22:54:42 <selsta> node <-> wallet
22:58:07 <eudaimon36[m]> OK, this is very helpful, and largely how I understood things. 
22:58:28 <eudaimon36[m]> The one thing I didn't realize, but now make sense, is that the only thing that COULD be proxied is the full node--the wallet does not speak to anything but the node.
23:01:57 <eudaimon36[m]> So if I weren't running a full node, I would have to point the wallet to a remote node that it would connect to via Socks5 proxy. (I.e., I'm still a bit unclear about the Socks5 proxy "remote node connection" reference)
23:24:41 <eudaimon36[m]> selsta: ^
23:25:16 <selsta> eudaimon36[m]: correct
23:25:36 <eudaimon36[m]> selsta: Thank you!
23:25:50 <selsta> monerod has a --proxy option
23:28:18 <eudaimon36[m]> selsta: But I needn't worry about adding any flags to monerod myself, right? The proxy option in the interface makes any necessary adjustments
23:28:50 <selsta> no, monerod is a separate program
23:29:10 <selsta> do you manage monerod manually or do you let monero-gui start and stop it?
23:29:37 <eudaimon36[m]> I have done it both ways at different times
23:32:57 <eudaimon36[m]> So besides having the interface set to proxy, I have to start the daemon with: ./monerod --tx-proxy "tx-proxy=tor,127.0.0.1:9050,16"
23:33:28 <DanIsnotthemanBr> your creating a connection from monero gui to your seperate monerod instances over tor?
23:35:26 <eudaimon36[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: I think the idea is that the wallet communicates directly with my local full node, and then Tor obfuscates my node
23:35:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Daemons is --proxy=127.0.0.1:9050
23:36:32 <eudaimon36[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: So I have to start my daemon with this, AND then have the interface set to proxy? 
23:36:56 <eudaimon36[m]> I would think the interface would just start the daemon with that
23:37:07 <eudaimon36[m]> seems redundant 
23:37:20 <DanIsnotthemanBr> oh so you want monerod to connect via tor
23:37:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> # TOR P2P	anonymous-inbound=$ONION:18084,127.0.0.1:18084,32	proxy=127.0.0.1:9055				# Proxy through TOR	tx-proxy=tor,127.0.0.1:9055,16,disable_noise	# relay tx over tor	pad-transactions=1
23:37:32 <DanIsnotthemanBr> hidden service?
23:37:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> * ```
23:37:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> # TOR P2P
23:37:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> 	anonymous-inbound=$ONION:18084,127.0.0.1:18084,32	proxy=127.0.0.1:9055				# Proxy through TOR	tx-proxy=tor,127.0.0.1:9055,16,disable_noise	# relay tx over tor	pad-transactions=1
23:37:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> ```
23:38:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tx-proxy and anon inbound are for relaying tx over onion
23:38:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Blockchains sync, outgoing connections only, is --proxy
23:39:34 <eudaimon36[m]> what if I want everything over onion? 
23:40:07 <eudaimon36[m]> not sure why anyone would even want to limit it to only some data
23:40:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cant sync blocks over onion 
23:40:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because tor onion is unreliable 
23:41:14 <eudaimon36[m]> I see. This also explains why I couldn't connect through proxychains last night
23:41:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Old instructions use torsocks
23:42:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not sure why youd try proxychains. Seems it doesnt work at all unless you build from sour3
23:42:11 <eudaimon36[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Just reread this: what does this mean, if you can't sync blockchain over Tor anyhow
23:45:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can sync the blockchain over tor
23:46:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> You cannot sync over onion 
23:46:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> You cannot get incoming blockchain sync connections when using --proxy
23:47:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can make outgoing blockchain sync over --proxy
23:47:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> --proxy sends blockchain sync over exit nodes
23:47:28 <eudaimon36[m]> hmmm, I thought Tor = The ONION Router
23:47:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> No
23:47:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> TOR = The Onion Router 
23:48:06 <eudaimon36[m]> lol
23:48:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not "the .onion hidden service-only network" 
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23:51:10 <eudaimon36[m]> OK, back to my studies...
23:51:14 <plowsof11> every tor user visiting an onion is "localhost" :-o 
23:59:48 <DanIsnotthemanBr> what if you live outside your localhost