00:53:45 <geonic> website down?
00:57:53 <plowsof11> getmonero.org ?
01:08:41 <geonic> yeah, not working for me
01:11:25 <geonic> Error code: PR_END_OF_FILE_ERROR
01:11:26 <geonic> The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
01:15:49 <plowsof11> getmonero works fine here (they did update their certs the other day... perhaps thats happening) i would try and clear your cache?
01:16:58 <plowsof11> or a hard refresh.. ctrl+shift+r or f5 hm
01:17:52 <geonic> tried a few browsers.. no luck. maybe it's still propagating
01:19:03 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Works for me.
01:25:14 <nioc> works here
01:30:39 <geonic> cool
12:06:11 <tel> Which android app to use?
12:07:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> ?
12:08:25 <sech1> Monerujo
12:15:40 <tel> ofrnxmr[m]: monero android app
12:17:02 <ZhenyaPav[m]> <tel> "Which android app to use?" <- I use Cake wallet
12:17:16 <tel> Why?
12:17:23 <tel> I steals data
12:17:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Privacy = stack wallet
12:17:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> stability = cake wallet 
12:17:53 <ZhenyaPav[m]> https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/
12:18:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> tel:  what data does cake steal? Lol. Always bring evidence 
12:18:42 <ZhenyaPav[m]> Yes please. What's your source?
12:19:49 <tel> Edge is good
12:21:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lol @ tel, what?
12:21:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cake steals data but edge, a mymonero light wallet, doesnt? Are you asking questions or just trolling 
12:21:52 <tel> Cake sussy
12:22:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Explain your fud
12:22:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> So I can explain why youre making stuff up
12:25:49 <tel> Cake isn't foss and hosted in github
12:25:55 <tel> Is monero in github shit?
12:28:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cake isnt foss? Where did you hear that
12:28:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> And "is monero in GitHub shit". What?
12:32:06 <Inge> I thought cake WAS open source (with the caveat that you can't assert that the apple store binary is made from the tagged release code ....)
12:37:35 <flatline> i downloaded the monero cli wallet and waited for monerod to sync, and then i set up xmrig and p2pool to start mining... but i realized a little late that it was pointless for me. i always liked the idea of mining, it's fun to try, but i didn't immediately realize that there's no profit in it. i just saw a coin that can be mined on pc and had too
12:37:35 <flatline> much wishful thinking
12:40:19 <u221f> yeah, it's not profitable unless you have free electricity
12:41:41 <u221f> however there's a slim chance those unprofitable moneroj will be profitable in the future :)
12:44:22 <u221f> i turned off my 500 w consuming bitcoin miner when the daily generated coins were just 0.05 BTC
12:44:57 <sech1> Not profitable, but works well as a space heater
12:45:05 <flatline> as i've heard lol
12:45:47 <tel> Github is owned by ms so its bad 
12:45:55 <sech1> no jokes, I'm actually heating my apartment with Monero mining
12:47:17 <flatline> well glorious during the winter. with my current setup i'd be lucky to make one coin in weeks
12:48:03 <flatline> i just don't have the hardware for any of these things
12:49:46 <flatline> and rn i only have 3k to my name
12:55:02 <sech1> the point of Monero mining is you mine with what you already have
12:55:41 <flatline> i don't even think i have a gpu
12:55:54 <sech1> Monero is mined on CPU
12:56:14 <sech1> if you managed to log in to IRC, there's 99% chance you can mine Monero on the same device
12:58:56 <flatline> well it is something i've tried before. i would start mining on my pc and then go to work, but i got a little discouraged by results and complications i've faced
14:35:42 <nexajat7871> Does a remote node know what transaction I make? I.e. can it see the amount, the recipient, and the sender?
14:39:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> No, it cannot see those 3 things 
14:39:56 <nioc> No, only your ip address 
14:51:42 <nexajat7871> So basically no point in routing the monero client through tor then?
14:56:42 <nioc> not for those 3 things but it will hide your ip 
14:57:49 <nexajat7871> Hm. I mean aside from my IP it sees nothing anyway then does it? 
15:08:26 <Rucknium[m]> nexajat7871: The remote node would know which transaction you make. Monero encrypts most data about transactions: amount, receiver, one-of-16 for spent transaction output.
15:08:46 <Rucknium[m]> It would also know when you open your wallet for syncing if you don't keep it constantly connected.
18:34:36 <dimmed6843[m]> Can ISPs detect if users are operating a Monero mode?
18:35:36 <copenhagen_bram[> probably. i suppose you could hide it with a vpn or tor
18:38:31 <copenhagen_bram[> <Rucknium[m]> "nexajat7871: The remote node..." <- How much does the remote node know if you make a transaction over Tor?
18:47:52 <dimmed6843[m]> <copenhagen_bram[> "probably. i suppose you could..." <- How?
18:49:22 <selsta> dimmed6843[m]: they can, yes
18:51:47 <Rucknium[m]> copenhagen_bram: The remote node would know that someone using Tor did those things.
18:53:11 <copenhagen_bram[> Rucknium[m]: huh. so the more people making transactions over Tor, the more anonymous they are
18:54:57 <copenhagen_bram[> <dimmed6843[m]> "How?" <- https://monerodocs.org/running-node/open-node-tor-onion/
22:11:37 <vikCake[m]> <tel> "Cake isn't foss and hosted in..." <- yes it is
22:13:19 <D0Q03[m]> <tel> "Cake isn't foss and hosted in..." <- But cakewallet/monero.com is foss
22:14:27 <endogenic> foss != oss fwiw
22:15:04 <sgp[m]> it's MIT licensed....
22:15:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> As an aside, endogenic:  that is true. A lot of people assume because proprietary software has some code available that is if foss
22:15:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> It is* foss
22:15:52 <endogenic> so every lib you use is foss?
22:15:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or unlicenced code etc
22:16:22 <DanIsnotthemanBr> I use the public library
22:16:31 <DanIsnotthemanBr> To read
22:16:37 <endogenic> lol i didnt think so
22:36:24 <D0Q03[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "As an aside, endogenic:  that is..." <- So, calewallet has some proprietary code? 
22:40:50 <sgp[m]> D0Q03[m]: No, he is just making stuff up and hopes some people will fall for it. Notice how he didn't point to anything specifically
22:40:56 <sgp[m]> the repo is open, go have a look
22:41:35 <vikCake[m]> I think ofrnxmr was talking in general terms.. not Cake.  I think.
22:41:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> D0Q03:  Afaik, no. Just (opt in) interacts with some proprietary services, like exchanges and cakepay
22:42:04 <sgp[m]> yeah I didn't mean you ofrnxmr
22:45:21 <MajesticBank> yes, cake need more privacy focused exchanges that is for sure
23:15:54 <D0Q03[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "D0Q03:  Afaik, no. Just (opt in)..." <- I undestood 
23:26:01 <MajesticBank> https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/monerokon-2023-ccs-1.html