02:26:35 <fr33_yourself[m]> https://rumble.com/v21ygx4-austrian-economics-vs.-george-gammon-monetarist-part-1.html
02:27:24 <fr33_yourself[m]> For the fellow Full Reserve enjoyers
09:07:27 <dANBs[m]> zek[xmpp]: Ищу работу
10:51:11 <ICBC> mine xmr at a loss, is it just for fun?
11:19:03 <DanIsnotthemanBr> 🤨
11:30:23 <dANBs[m]> kingofthenarwhales[xmpp]: Welp
11:30:28 <dANBs[m]> kingofthenarwhales[xmpp]: RIP to my bitcoin
11:30:32 <dANBs[m]> kingofthenarwhales[xmpp]: I'm 100% monerochad now
11:30:52 <dANBs[m]> kingofthenarwhales[xmpp]: bitcoin-core: Segmentation fault (Address out of bounds)
11:31:14 <sophia`> is https://localmonero.co/ legitimate?
11:31:16 <dANBs[m]> kingofthenarwhales[xmpp]: Sucks because not everything accepts monero. Only mullvad does
11:31:27 <dANBs[m]> kingofthenarwhales[xmpp]: But my IPTV service only accepts bitcoin
11:36:30 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Maybe try to import your mnemonic into Electrum or Sparrow Wallet? Trocador.app can help with Monero -> Bitcoin (choose Payment mode to pay invoices).
11:37:47 <anarkiocrypto[m]> LocalMonero.co is fine. It also has escrow and reviews. Telegram room: https://t.me/localmonero
11:54:11 <DanIsnotthemanBr> There a site that aggregated places that accepts xmr.
12:33:38 <dANBs[m]> Zeaps[xmpp]: Yeah I lurk that place haha
12:33:46 <dANBs[m]> Zeaps[xmpp]: I bought my monero sticker from there
12:33:57 <dANBs[m]> Zeaps[xmpp]: But my iptv service still doesn't sadly
13:10:42 <gingeropolous> aaaight im gonna do it! i got a fresh ubuntu 22 and gonna use the GUI to manage this monero account
13:11:12 <gingeropolous> hrm. the appimage icon or the one without appimage
13:11:23 <gingeropolous> ooh theres a guide
13:12:14 <gingeropolous> ok. looks like i click on the one thats not appimage
13:12:50 <gingeropolous> ah screw it. im goin appimage. 
13:13:18 <gingeropolous> hrm, double clicked... started to doubt things were happening
13:13:26 <gingeropolous> register GUI desktop entry?
13:14:16 <gingeropolous> gah, i wanna try easy / bootstrap but i don't wanna connect to a random node. :( i guess advanced it is
13:15:47 <gingeropolous> hrm. too many negative words in the seed. i wonder if I hit back to menu if i can create another
13:21:19 <gingeropolous> wait. Bootstrap node, and then a button to connect to a remote node?
13:21:40 <gingeropolous> ooooh, clicking that button was not what i wanted
13:22:09 <gingeropolous> methinks there needs to be a visual separation of that menu hiearchy
13:22:16 <gingeropolous> heirarchy
13:22:17 <gingeropolous> damnit
13:27:50 <gingeropolous> well thats great
13:28:16 <gingeropolous> computer froze. I gave it 2 minutes with no change. couldn't even do the ctr-alt F1 or F2 or whatever to get to the console
13:28:26 <gingeropolous> had to give it a hard power cycle
13:29:38 <gingeropolous> ok, loaded again
13:30:01 <gingeropolous> GUI window was nonresponsive, then starting local node popped up
13:31:16 <gingeropolous> oh you silly GUI, telling me the daemon is synchronized
13:31:29 <gingeropolous> when I know its not, because thats the remote daemon
13:31:31 <gingeropolous> MATT DAEMON
13:35:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lololol
13:35:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Register gui entry > please report if it fails to add the icon
13:35:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Register desktop* entry, or whatever
13:36:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ive never used simple or bootstrap mode
13:38:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Also, I have no idea the difference between the appimage and the gui binary
13:38:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Maybe youre supposed to use the appimage
13:40:01 <gingeropolous> i ended up using the appimage
13:40:18 <gingeropolous> but there's no desktop icon
13:40:45 <gingeropolous> but there's a monero icon in the ubuntu equivalent of the home menu when i hit the windows key
13:42:13 <gingeropolous> ima create an account
13:43:47 <selsta> bootstrap node allows you to connect to a remote node while your local daemon is syncing
13:44:08 <selsta> a remote node is simply a remote node, no local daemon involved
13:45:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> <gingeropolous> "i ended up using the appimage" <- Hm. I must have used the binary then. My Ubuntu 22.04 doesnt add an icon to the menu
13:45:54 <gingeropolous> yeah, i understand bootstrap node. the visual layout of the menu threw me. i will take a screenshot and add notes and post to the github
13:46:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not sure if it makes a difference or what else could be up
13:47:35 <gingeropolous> and the icon in the ubuntu menu is just default gearbox
13:50:25 <selsta> are you talking about this issue? https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/issues/4006
13:52:27 <nioc> hrm. too many negative words in the seed  <<>>  <3
13:52:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah
13:56:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> selsta:  a) I think on Ubuntu the icon needs to be place in $HOME/.local/share/icons
13:56:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> B) $HOME/.icons (from the archwiki) works too, but that folder doesnt exist on Ubuntu by default. Maybe gui needs to check for and create the folder?
13:57:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Edit a) I think that is the default location for user app icons* on ubuntu
13:57:20 <selsta> plowsof11 looked into it so ^^
14:07:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah, I spoke with him about a and b
14:09:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> (How I discovered a)
14:09:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof had the script that created the folder as in b, but I was confused as I dont have this folder on any of my Ubuntu installs.
14:09:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> So I went looking for where userspace apps store their icons on ubuntu, and it appears to be A.
14:09:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Both a and b work though - adding the icon to either of those folders 
15:32:10 <fr33_yourself[m]> https://rumble.com/v221i1a-austrian-economics-vs.-george-gammon-monetarist-part-2.html
15:33:22 <fr33_yourself[m]> Austrian econ thinkers can't complain about the government and banks anymore since we have Monero. Kills two birds with one stone.
15:44:56 <Torr> fr33_yourself[m]: "monetarist" eh. A new word for today.
15:48:52 <fr33_yourself[m]> Yes, monetarists believe that fractional reserve banking aids in economic progression and that the central bank should control the money supply. Their origin lies in the Great Depression where they argue the Fed should've intervened and inflated earlier to prevent the Depression from getting as bad as it indeed got.
15:49:47 <fr33_yourself[m]> The Austrian view of the Great Depression is that the credit expansion prior to the depression enabled the contraction to be so severe as captial goods had been overinvested in due to cheap credit.
15:52:07 <fr33_yourself[m]> The Austrian's also believe that by operating in a Full Reserve Monetary system you prevent bank runs and large deflationary crunches like during the Depression where the broad monery supply contracted 33%
15:53:41 <fr33_yourself[m]> It's impossible for a cryptocurrencies that has a proof of work model like Bitcoin or Monero to experience credit contraction as there is no credit or debt permitted on chain. Simply the coin itself, like physical gold.
15:53:59 <fr33_yourself[m]> People can lose their keys but that is different than a credit contraction
15:56:54 <Rucknium[m]> If the accusations against Binance et al. are true, Bitcoin and Monero are already fractionally reserved. Blockchains do not prevent people giving up custody of their coins. It's called "free banking". I think _The Bitcoin Standard_ discusses this.
16:11:09 <Rucknium[m]> Hal Finney talked about it: "Different banks can have different policies, some more aggressive, some more conservative. Some would be fractional reserve while others may be 100% Bitcoin backed. Interest rates may vary." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2500.msg34211#msg34211
16:11:43 <Rucknium[m]> That's unregulated money for you :P
16:16:52 <fr33_yourself[m]> <Rucknium[m]> "If the accusations against..." <- This is false. Bitcoin and Monero are not fractionally reserved. People are too stupid to hold their own coins and are content to accept counterfeits on crypto-banks balance sheets.
16:17:34 <fr33_yourself[m]> <Rucknium[m]> "Hal Finney talked about it: "..." <- Yes, Centralized Exchanges are crypto-banks. The way I see things going though is that they disappear entirely eventually.
16:18:31 <fr33_yourself[m]> Right now peole are stupid enough to trust an exchange to hold an internet money that they could personally hold in their own control by simply downloading an app on their phone and withdrawing to the specified public key.
16:18:37 <fr33_yourself[m]> It's literally that simple
16:20:34 <fr33_yourself[m]> People are stupid now, and trust third parties when they don't need to. Let some time elapse for these entities to mis-use and abuse customer trust and then get caught doing it in more aggrecious manners and eventually people will figure out it's worth the effort to hold their own coins privately and secure themselves against fraud.
16:25:29 <louipc> they been doing it forever. the fraud will never cease and neither will the ability of plebs to blindly trust thieves. don't forget the stock exchange fraud of 1814 and countless other incidents
16:25:37 <fr33_yourself[m]> Actually allow me to refine my view, it's possible that even in an enlightened future state crypto-banks exist for the purpose of lending out people's crypto for a profit then distributing some % of the profits back to the individual lender. They would exist for the sole purpose of facilitating lending to either consumers or producers. However people will eventually learn to be risk averse to trusting third parties to "hold" their
16:25:37 <fr33_yourself[m]> money.
16:26:13 <fr33_yourself[m]> I think eventually people will smarten up. 
16:28:31 <fr33_yourself[m]> I bet the upcoming wealthy class will be libertarian cypherpunks that are privacy oriented to avoid expropriation on the market side, and entities that are the first to receive new bank credit and government spending on the other side (cronies and insiders).
16:34:43 <nioc> "there is a sucker born every minute"  -P T Barnum 
16:34:48 <nioc> old as time
16:35:49 <nioc> sorry, please do not let me ruin your optimism 
16:36:10 <Mochi101> I like suckers.
16:36:55 <nioc> aawww Mochi101 likes me
16:38:07 <nioc> always good to look for ways to improve things 
16:40:35 <fr33_yourself[m]> Then it becomes possible to completely circumvent and evade third parties except for the peer on the other side of cash trade
16:46:54 <fr33_yourself[m]> Does BISQ have options for selling bitcoin locally for cash and cash by mail? Or are those two options only available on LocalMonero?
17:14:32 <xfedex[m]> Why P2Pool doesn't work with subaddresses?
17:17:50 <Torr> fr33_yourself[m]: Interesting take.
17:19:08 <Torr> Reminds me of old Ford's view on bankers: "You will note that the financiers proposed to cure by lending money and not by bettering methods. They did not suggest putting in an engineer; they wanted to put in a treasurer. And that is the danger of having bankers in business. They think solely in terms of money."
17:21:04 <Torr> fr33_yourself[m]: Iirc, Bisq has no restrictions on trade terms.
17:21:28 <Torr> There's also Agoradesk for Btc.
17:21:39 <Torr> Same creator as Localmonero.
18:43:00 <sophia`> has there been progress on getting the bitcoin <-> monero transfers possible lately?
18:43:10 <sophia`> i forget the technical name for it
18:43:23 <sophia`> but it would be assured exchange without middlemen
18:43:43 <nioc> atomic swaps
18:45:16 <nioc> maybe someone knows the current real world usability is
18:45:25 <nioc> *what the
18:45:52 <nioc> people have used it
18:46:29 <nioc> was hoping for a xmas present from farcaster 
19:04:25 <Morpheus[m]> Hi guys. I'm happy to report that basically, after two months of activity, when trading with Trocador you have a 0,05% to 0,15% chance of having your transaction flagged by exchanges. But even when flagged, we can intervene to help you deal with the exchange so your transaction is either completed or you are refunded without KYC. We currently have no reported case of a custumer having to go through KYC process.
19:04:34 <Morpheus[m]> * with Trocador.app you
19:14:23 <Mochi101> nice
19:15:05 <Mochi101> nioc, you're waiting for Satsna Claus?
19:18:35 <nioc> *Santa Claus, yes
19:19:08 <Mochi101> SATSna Claus
19:19:32 <Mochi101> You don't want your sats?
19:19:35 <nioc> silly me
19:19:49 <Mochi101> #monero has always been a tough room.
19:19:53 <nioc> no, i prefer piconeros
19:20:49 <nioc> Santa has kept his privacy all these years  :)
19:21:45 <Mochi101> nioc, alright... Happy Holidays. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65UcVoDUOlg
19:22:19 <Mochi101> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv1Zkuojxlw
19:22:33 <Mochi101> Eso es lo mas que puedo hacer.
19:24:46 <nioc> thx  :)
19:25:43 <Mochi101> No te preocupas amigo.