00:27:55 <alpharabius[m]> Guys
00:28:07 <alpharabius[m]> XMR, Crude oil, or Gold
00:28:13 <alpharabius[m]> Which is the best to but
00:28:16 <alpharabius[m]> Buy
00:29:33 <alpharabius[m]> > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Internet stuff is my primary income.
00:29:33 <alpharabius[m]> > Mostly code.
00:29:33 <alpharabius[m]> > Trade too but I mostly trade the weekly so it's slow (but it does pay well too)
00:29:33 <alpharabius[m]> Can u trade 4 me
00:40:23 <as2333> alpharabius[m] you cant store oil at home
00:44:29 <alpharabius[m]> Says who
00:44:37 <alpharabius[m]> My best friend is iraqi
00:47:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lol
00:47:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Alpharabies
00:48:34 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Buy Monero, it's also easier to use e.g. if you want to buy something online without a bank account. More difficult to buy things directly with gold (unless you want to use it as savings).
00:49:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> He wants to know what we have to donate 
00:50:01 <alpharabius[m]> Just put 100 bucks into xmr
00:50:06 <alpharabius[m]> Diamond hands
00:50:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sandpaper
00:50:45 <as2333> alpharabius[m] hehe - well I guess some people can 
00:51:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Adoption > Diamond handing
00:52:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Using monero > diamond handing monero
00:52:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> (Not saying dont save)
00:52:27 <alpharabius[m]> I use it 100%
00:52:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> And adoption = spreading it
00:52:44 <alpharabius[m]> It's how i bought hosting for my node
00:53:31 <alpharabius[m]> Imagine xmr hits 50k while i'm sleeping
00:53:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Youd have like 30k haha
00:54:03 <alpharabius[m]> I should do fraud
00:54:15 <alpharabius[m]> Jkjk whaaa
00:54:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> U were born one 
00:54:35 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Which VPS host did you use that has 100 GB+ storage?
00:54:39 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: What did he say???
00:54:46 <alpharabius[m]> anarkiocrypto[m]: Alphavps
00:55:01 <alpharabius[m]> Very cheap vps
00:55:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Shots fired
00:55:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> I said rayatina has been a fraud since he was in his mommas belly
00:56:21 <alpharabius[m]> alpharabius[m]: https://alphavps.com/clients/cart.php?a=add&pid=245
00:56:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> 🫶 we still love you though 
00:56:53 <alpharabius[m]> Ik
00:57:58 <alpharabius[m]> anarkiocrypto: it took a month to sync btw
00:58:10 <alpharabius[m]> Not even fully synced still 
00:59:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> So its an hdd
00:59:27 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Thanks for the link. It's much cheaper than my 1 GB RAM/25 GB SSD/1 CPU core VPS that is $10/month...
01:00:15 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Yep
01:01:09 <plowsof11> alpharabius you should say "not a good look insulting a 14 year old online" to ofrnxmr 
01:02:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ageist
01:02:13 <alpharabius[m]> Personally i could never
01:02:25 <alpharabius[m]> anarkiocrypto[m]: https://my.racknerd.com/cart.php?a=confproduct&i=1
01:02:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> alpharabius[m]: In yo face plowsof: 
01:03:01 <alpharabius[m]> I was talking to anarkio
01:03:47 <alpharabius[m]> plowsof11: Personally i could never get caught lacking like this tho ofrn we cool tho
01:05:10 <alpharabius[m]> alpharabius[m]: Look at this 3.5 gb ram, 80 gb space, and 10tb monthly bandwith
01:05:57 <alpharabius[m]> For 40 bucks a year
01:06:43 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Using Bitlaunch.io VPS right now. https://rabbit-hosting.com/vps also looks good. But don't have the energy to transfer right now. I have 4-5 websites/services running on the small VPS.
01:18:02 <alpharabius[m]> <alpharabius[m]> "Look at this 3.5 gb ram, 80 gb..." <- It's quality hosting too bcuz i use it to also host my 2nd vpn for amerimutt sites + my 2nd email + my invidious mirror on it
01:19:22 <TakedaTeruhime[m> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
01:21:42 <TakedaTeruhime[m> aaa what the? owO?
01:22:07 <TakedaTeruhime[m> damn my cat, sorry guys! ewe
01:37:28 <alpharabius[m]> Guys
01:37:37 <alpharabius[m]> My new ides
01:37:38 <alpharabius[m]> Idea
01:37:54 <alpharabius[m]> Monero but with a 2000 ring size
01:39:07 <alpharabius[m]> I shitcoin called 2kring, who would help with development
01:39:46 <alpharabius[m]> s/I/A/
01:44:52 <DanIsnotthemanBr> 🔫
01:45:05 <plowsof11> homework for alpharabius: read this (from top to bottom) then tell us something you like/don't like about future monero addresses  https://gist.github.com/tevador/50160d160d24cfc6c52ae02eb3d17024#64-checksum
01:46:40 <plowsof11> after that we can get you to read over the summary first 
01:46:48 <plowsof11> seraphis summary*
01:54:27 <alpharabius[m]> <plowsof11> "homework for alpharabius: read..." <- It sounds good
01:55:28 <alpharabius[m]> Protection against janus attacks, increases privacy
01:56:08 <alpharabius[m]> The only bad things are that they aren't compatible with old wallets and are completely different
01:57:16 <plowsof11> thank you for having a look!
01:57:40 <alpharabius[m]> Definitely gonna be a hastle for vendors who aren't as up-to-date or people with donation sites where they just put up an address instead of generation new ones for each donation
01:59:08 <alpharabius[m]> Like my site, due to school i'm not as active here (lie) and if i didn't know i'd still have my old address ul
01:59:15 <alpharabius[m]> s/ul/up on my site/
02:01:09 <alpharabius[m]> s/ul/up on my site (truth)/
02:15:57 <alpharabius[m]> * Definitely gonna be a hastle for vendors who aren't as up-to-date or people with donation sites where they just put up an address instead of generating new ones for each donation like using btcpay
03:09:13 <anarkiocrypto[m]> > Look at this 3.5 gb ram, 80 gb space, and 10tb monthly bandwith... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/b93914707b191b7fb9e45b0b132c6d1919f0d57f>)
03:11:11 <alpharabius[m]> > <@anarkiocrypto:halogen.city> > Look at this 3.5 gb ram, 80 gb space, and 10tb monthly bandwith... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/17f4ae014b26d22b6559492971a8c4f8ad4b85cd>)
03:11:43 <alpharabius[m]> I'm even using the site to sell subscriptions to my services
03:21:23 <alpharabius[m]> <alpharabius[m]> "I'm even using the site to..." <- I wish i could help work on it anarkiocrypto: 
03:21:31 <alpharabius[m]> * I wish i could help work on it anarkiocrypto:  
03:21:47 <alpharabius[m]> * I wish i could help work on it anarkiocrypto 
03:43:46 <Siren[m]> > <@anarkiocrypto:halogen.city> > Look at this 3.5 gb ram, 80 gb space, and 10tb monthly bandwith... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/faef7d3d6697a7ea64d09eff10e93de78f56bb31>)
03:47:01 <anarkiocrypto[m]> The blockchain explorer just requires users to enter their Monero address + view key into the fundraiser form, which is sent to the database. Then a cron job executes the PHP code, which calls the blockchain explorer API.
03:47:01 <anarkiocrypto[m]> In comparison, Monero RPC uses more bandwidth (even with a remote node), CPU/RAM, and you would need to create a new view-only wallet per user.
03:47:44 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Since this will be open sourced, it means that users could run Bitvendo or just the fundraisers part on shared hosting (as it only requires PHP/SQL/cron), instead of requiring a VPS in order to download Monero RPC.
03:48:46 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Alpha – If you are interested to learn C++, you could check NeroShop: https://matrix.to/#/#neroshop:matrix.org
04:02:24 <alpharabius[m]> But imagine a shitcoin with 200 thousand ring signatures
04:02:42 <alpharabius[m]> Imagine how funny that'd be
04:05:41 <alpharabius[m]> It'd probably take a week for 1 transaction to go through
04:06:48 <alpharabius[m]> And then if someone tries a pump and dump they'd probably realize they fucked ul
06:17:44 <RavFX[m]> <alpharabius[m]> "> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social..." <- I do not trade for people.
06:17:44 <RavFX[m]> I'm not a broker...
06:19:46 <RavFX[m]> Last time a traded for someone it was in 2017, the person panicked and asked for his money after the omega December crash and forced me to close a wining position lol.
06:24:11 <RavFX[m]> And if I was willing to do it, it would be for a U$ 10k account, minimum, i'm not 50Xing other people money
06:38:51 <RavFX[m]>  * And if I was willing to do it, it would be for a U$ 10k account, minimum, i'm not 50Xing other people money to make an account worth half a nero worth it. I usually stick to 3X-5X maximum on crypto. On Forex it's about the same except that I can go higher when I use my trade recovery strategy.
06:38:51 <RavFX[m]> But a 0.3XMR account at 3-5X is not going to generate profit worth the my time
06:39:07 <RavFX[m]>  * And if I was willing to do it, it would be for a U$ 10k account, minimum, i'm not 50Xing other people money to make an account worth half a nero worth it. I usually stick to 3X-5X maximum on crypto. On Forex it's about the same except that I can go higher when I use my trade recovery strategy.
06:39:07 <RavFX[m]> But a 0.3XMR account at 3-5X is not going to generate profit worth my time
06:42:26 <RavFX[m]> 1 Unit worth of EURUSD about 1.3XMR (that's 500X)
06:42:50 <RavFX[m]> * of EURUSD is about 1.3XMR
06:45:06 <RavFX[m]> * of EURUSD is about 1.3XMR, * (that's 500X). With mean you say byebye to the 1.3XMR if EURUSD dump by 0.00213 (without including the spread)
06:48:47 <RavFX[m]> * of EURUSD is about 1.3XMR, * (that's 500X). With mean you say byebye to the 1.3XMR if EURUSD dump by 0.00213 (without including the spread). With 53XMR instead (for the same setup) you can manage trade using proper strategies. But you did beg for XMR before on this chan, then I would simply advise you to accumulate you're Moneroj...
06:49:13 <RavFX[m]> * of EURUSD is about 1.3XMR, * (that's 500X). With mean you say byebye to the 1.3XMR if EURUSD dump by 0.00213 (without including the spread). With 53XMR instead (for the same setup) you can manage trade using proper strategies. But you did beg for XMR before on this chan so you don't have 53XMR to put in a trading account, then I would simply advise you to accumulate you're Moneroj...
10:56:21 <Guest49> hEllo
11:01:25 <Guest49> What will happen if MONEY_SUPPLY is fixed and is == with genesis block reward
11:01:53 <Guest49> tail emission will go to zero ?
12:51:03 <hyc> if money supply is fixed there can be no tail emission.
13:01:50 <Guest49> hyc im talking about  MONEY_SUPPLY on config file
13:02:51 <Guest49> i test it without changing any reward/emission and there is block reward even with fixed  MONEY_SUPPLY
13:25:45 <sech1> MONEY_SUPPLY is just a value used in emission formula
13:26:17 <sech1> if formula gives < 0.6 XMR, it's forced to be 0.6 XMR (tail emission)
13:40:02 <gingeropolous> it happened. the living room bitcoin heater/miner https://www.heatbit.com/
13:42:24 <sech1> "It covers up to 100% of your electricity bills"
13:42:26 <sech1> yeah sure
13:42:30 <sech1> 1% is "up to 100%" too
13:42:35 <sech1> when faster ASICs come out
13:44:00 <gingeropolous> yeah, i just remember years ago the idea of a quiet, aesthetically pleasing miner heater that could sit in your living room was laughable
13:46:06 <gingeropolous> meanwhile, i've gotta duct the exhaust from my mining closet better
14:22:16 <hyc> you could do an array of ARM-based miners, passively cooled / silent
14:23:02 <hyc> the lowest power Ryzens might be usable that way as well
14:24:07 <hyc> all it really needs is a heat sink with large enough surface area
14:56:29 <RavFX[m]> I wonder the HR you get with passively cooled arm miners.
14:56:29 <RavFX[m]> If you can ROI with them if you don't actually own them (buying hardware for mining vs mining with hardware you already own)
15:18:36 <networkzaij[m]> <gingeropolous> "it happened. the living room..." <- Tbh the whole 'heat your home with bitcoin' seems like a joke or some major cope
15:18:36 <networkzaij[m]> Or just bitcoiners do everything they can instead of improving the protocol 
15:19:37 <networkzaij[m]> *doing
15:22:17 <RavFX[m]> Heating you're room with any mining, during winter is actually neat.
15:22:17 <RavFX[m]> It's actually free electricity for mining if you think about it. (If you normally use electric heating).
15:22:18 <RavFX[m]> If I where living in a cold place, I would have kept all my GPU and would be just mining full time during winter, whatever shitcoin that give the most micro pay.
15:23:29 <RavFX[m]> Computer hardware is 100% efficient for heating
15:26:43 <networkzaij[m]> Heat pumps can achieve 400% efficiency and you don't have to bother selling coins every month
15:27:16 <RavFX[m]> Hmm, that's a point 😂
15:28:01 <networkzaij[m]> Also you don't end up with a brick that can't generate any return with outdated hashpower if you are using an asic
15:35:15 <nioc> when heat pump miner
15:37:14 <nioc> I know someone that recently got a heat pump system for heating and cooling  
15:37:20 <nioc> works great but the initial cost is insane 
15:41:47 <RavFX[m]> I don't heat nor cool my house. Problem solved :D
16:06:51 <tmm627[m]> Think I'd rather live somewhere warm and use solar or hydro. Not sure what I could use the waste heat for, but cold weather is too uncomfortable for me. Bad body type or genetics I guess
16:08:08 <RavFX[m]> tmm627[m]: Yeah, it's why I moved south.
16:08:08 <RavFX[m]> Got solar and plenty of electricity surplus... that I have to burn into miners :D
16:09:01 <RavFX[m]> Some day I don't have enough mining power to get rid of all surplus
17:51:06 <Torr> Ahoy
17:52:09 <Sir_Teal_Esq> ahoy
17:54:07 <Sir_Teal_Esq> all a shore whoms going ashore
18:19:09 <Sir_Teal_Esq> hey maybe I can ask here. Some one here might know. is there a good bit of software that can chart equations.
18:19:38 <Sir_Teal_Esq> I need to do some probability equations on dice.
18:21:08 <Rucknium[m]> Sir_Teal_Esq: R or Python should be fine.
18:21:54 <Sir_Teal_Esq> so what just get the python libraries and throw shit at the terminal?
18:22:38 <Rucknium[m]> Use R + RStudio
18:23:22 <Rucknium[m]> You probably don't need anything more than the packages that R is installed with
18:23:34 <Sir_Teal_Esq> Hmm ok Ill look into that will it give me a chart of that I can export? I guess I can do that in excel if it dosent.
18:24:38 <Rucknium[m]> Yes. It can export. Easiest to do with RStudio. If not using RStudio, do png();...; dev.off()
18:39:43 <Sir_Teal_Esq> ok thank you for the recomendations. 
21:00:16 <revuoxmr> Revuo Monero. Issue 152: December 22 - 29, 2022. http://revuo-xmr.com/issue-152.html
23:56:03 <digital_mystik> how large is a pruned database currently? going on three days and I'm at 48 GiB lol 
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23:56:36 <digital_mystik> actually I think this is day 4 now..
23:58:08 <plowsof11> 50GB ~ almost there
23:58:13 <nioc> an SSD is your friend 
23:58:14 <digital_mystik> I really hope it ends up being functional hehe
23:58:37 <digital_mystik> yeah I made the mistake of doing it on an external ssd.. should have just ran it on my internal nvme
23:59:28 <digital_mystik> this is also from pruning an existing database, not a freshly synced prune.. now I know for the future if I ever do it again