00:00:36 <plowsof11> would you be mad if there was 'pruning 10x faster' in the next client :(
00:00:36 <digital_mystik> so essentially multiple mistakes were made.. oh welp
00:01:14 <digital_mystik> hey as long as I don't do any irreparable damage to my hardware I'll be fine lol
00:01:48 <digital_mystik> it's been running at ~160F for four days now with some spikes
00:02:38 <digital_mystik> plowsof11: is this happening? of course it is
00:05:21 <plowsof11> your node will be finished before its released though so nothing lost. what about usb3.0? maybe its not in a 3.0 port?
00:05:39 <digital_mystik> finishes prune.. we are pleased to announce our new and improved client..
00:05:57 <digital_mystik> yeah it's usb 3.0 connecting via a thunderbolt dock
00:06:09 <digital_mystik> the drive is probably getting hot and slowing down more than likely
00:07:49 <plowsof11> if there are any cats in the immediate area , please shoo them away
00:07:51 <digital_mystik> I don't think I'm putting much stress on the internal one since it's sitting quietly but I will copy the db over once done in case I fried the external one lol
00:08:25 <digital_mystik> no cats anymore (RIP)
01:47:26 <alpharabius[m]> Bro
01:48:01 <alpharabius[m]> I found an ebay post where someone straight up posted btc addresses to show the btc gift cards
01:48:24 <alpharabius[m]> Would you buy xmr gift cards from someone like that?
01:48:33 <alpharabius[m]> I assume you guys have more sense
02:22:52 <rub1ck[m]> <alpharabius[m]> "Would you buy xmr gift cards..." <- Why not
02:35:20 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Displaying the address helps you to verify that the funds are on the gift card (not empty or spent) and you could use Samourai or Sparrow Wallet to mix the funds after.
02:57:06 <Torr> nioc: Out of curiosity, what's the longest a Ssd has lasted with u?
02:58:41 <nioc> my first one is the 256GB about 5 years of mostly constant use 
02:59:25 <nioc> there was a vps provider that did an analysis where SSD were more reliable than HDDs
03:00:20 <nioc> ofc when a HDD goes bad you can usually save data from it while when a SSD goes bad then whoops
03:02:10 <nioc> I had a HDD go bad after 2 years of running monerod but don't think that is common 
03:02:50 <Torr> I see
03:03:00 <Torr> Thank you
03:03:28 <nioc> yw
03:04:10 <nioc> the bigger the SSD the longer it lasts
03:05:38 <Torr> 'cause of the higher capacitor count?
03:07:51 <nioc> for the same amount of data each "unit" will get used less in a bigger drive
03:08:17 <Torr> Makes sense
03:08:25 <nioc> the controller spreads out the workload
03:11:15 <nioc> I synced from scratch with both a PCIe 3  and a PCIe 4 SSD with same processor and there was no speed difference 
03:12:21 <nioc> both 1TB
03:14:37 <nioc> I recently stopped using the comp with the 256 as it was overall a weak machine 
03:16:36 <Torr> Make it lift for a while, 'til it developes some big guns xD
03:17:20 <Torr> Leaving here
03:17:26 <Torr> See ya
03:17:31 <nioc> gn
03:17:52 <Torr> Night ^^
03:18:56 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Maybe get enterprise ssd,warranty is  5 years normally
03:31:52 <nioc> I expect any decent SSD to last 5 years after which will be itching to upgrade 
06:40:43 <digital_mystik> yay!! it worked.. I thought my drive crashed since it quit out and it unmounted (couldn't mount until after a reboot for whatever reason). thought it fried it there for a second but now I'm able to start syncing up with the new transactions.. pruning only took me 5 days according to my terminal emulator lol
06:41:08 <digital_mystik> 48 GiB pruned
13:06:12 <M4rkal[m]> What has happened to the RPC pay feature?
13:06:14 <M4rkal[m]> I mean does it still work? 
13:12:35 <rbrunner> I think it should still technically work, but still limited to the original extent, which means support only in the CLI wallet app and nowhere else
13:13:08 <rbrunner> And I never heard that anybody ever successfully put up a remote daemon that needed you to pay that way
13:14:32 <rbrunner> Which lead me to ask the following question a few months ago: https://github.com/seraphis-migration/wallet3/issues/3
13:19:11 <saxal> will this commit be added anytime soon https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/8677
13:19:39 <saxal> together with this one https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/8675
13:25:49 <rbrunner> Hard to say. It will added to master anyway that you would have to compile yourself. Technically, you could check out master, cherry-pick those commits and get them early for yourself.
13:26:00 <rbrunner> Would probably be very welcome additional testing if you do :)
13:37:17 <saxal> if are added on master this bring more security feeling...
13:37:52 <M4rkal[m]> <rbrunner> "And I never heard that anybody..." <- Oh ok 
13:37:59 <saxal> both commits are very important
13:38:50 <rbrunner> Hmm, after my quick glance I did not get the impression that those are about security, more like optimization, but I may be mistaken of course
13:39:28 <saxal> "security feeling" i mean because they'll be added on master
13:40:14 <saxal> this are just speed ups
13:41:16 <rbrunner> Ah, ok :) Yeah, such things need good testing. Don't want to shoot holes into our beautiful coin.
13:52:38 <Torr> Ahoyyy
14:31:21 <networkzaij[m]> <saxal> "will this commit be added..." <- Will this reduce sync times significantly?
14:35:53 <saxal> yes
14:37:12 <saxal> RingCT speed up cache is around 6X better
14:38:44 <sech1> it doesn't speed up sync
14:40:50 <saxal>  propagation
14:41:57 <saxal> cpu will put less effort
14:42:16 <sech1> yes
14:44:02 <saxal> is important specially for arm cpus i think
14:44:12 <saxal> more battery life...
14:44:50 <sech1> for normal node operation (when it's synced), yes
14:44:54 <sech1> but not 6x
14:45:09 <sech1> overall saving is 2x, because each transaction is verified 2 times without this patch
14:45:27 <sech1> 6x is for the second check when a new block is added
14:49:10 <saxal> someone must added this fast   anyway
18:59:51 <several_spaces[m> hello everyone :) new to matrix chat, looks good.  I find it kind of ironic that the first thing they ask for is to verify my identity while im tryna join a monero chat room
19:00:33 <several_spaces[m> noped right outta that lol
19:01:06 <apotheon> reasonable reaction
19:03:22 <RavFX[m]> several_spaces[m: Matrix.org do that, there are a lot of matrix home server that are less into IDying users
19:08:56 <narodnik> or just use irc
19:09:09 * narodnik is on irc
19:09:51 <plowsof11> several_spaces go ahead and set up a matrix instance that allows no email verification and send us all an invite
19:10:21 <plowsof11> allow tor users too 
19:12:13 <apotheon> I second that
19:12:14 <apotheon> .
19:12:32 <RavFX[m]> email verification are fine (anyone is free to create email account where they wish).
19:12:32 <RavFX[m]> what is anoying are phone verification
19:42:39 <jozsef[m]> Phone numbers are so last century.
19:45:08 <RavFX[m]> Most that in a lot of countries, you have to provide ID p0rn to get access to a SIM card and the fee to get a new one are quite high.
19:50:00 <apotheon> please explain
19:50:09 <alpharabius[m]> Guys
19:50:10 <apotheon> What is ID p0rn?
19:50:20 <apotheon> alpharabius[m]: hi
19:50:20 <jozsef[m]> kyc
19:50:23 <apotheon> ah
19:50:29 <alpharabius[m]> I'm happy i have xmr instead of trace guys
19:50:39 <apotheon> What's a high fee for a SIM card?
19:50:46 <apotheon> Trace?
19:50:51 <apotheon> Is there a cryptocurrency by that name?
19:51:23 <RavFX[m]> apotheon: When you have to pay like 30$ plus get a credit inquery
19:52:08 <RavFX[m]> Fortunately i'm in a free countries so SIM card can be obtained at random convenient store, without ID, for like 2$ each. Can get a 10-pack without question
19:52:11 <jozsef[m]> I have a silent.link sim. Not sure if it's available everywhere. No kyc, pay with btc, as you go.
19:52:11 <apotheon> Where do you have to pay for someone else to run a credit check on you?
19:52:52 <RavFX[m]> I pay for my SIM prepaid stuff with bitrefill, Trocador pawaa
19:52:54 <apotheon> jozsef[m]: Aren't those eSIMs?
19:53:07 <jozsef[m]> yes
19:53:08 <RavFX[m]> apotheon: 30$ are the fee to get the sim.
19:53:08 <RavFX[m]> the credit check is free
19:53:35 <apotheon> I wonder how much a SIM costs here.  It might be close to 30 USD.
19:53:48 <RavFX[m]> 🤮
19:54:23 <RavFX[m]> 30$ is the price of a burner phone (also available at random convenient store). Add 2$ for the sim lol
19:54:23 <jozsef[m]> Oh. Just noticed silenr.link nowndirectly accepts xmr. 😍
19:54:43 <jozsef[m]> Last topup I still had to use btc.
19:54:44 <apotheon> I don't even remember what a SIM cost.  It was years ago that I last had to get a new SIM.
19:55:16 <RavFX[m]> the phone number verification scam is such a scam I mean, it create a very big inequality between totalitarian states and free countries.
19:55:18 <apotheon> jozsef[m]: Yeah, I think I heard about it taking Monero, a little while ago.
19:55:36 <apotheon> RavFX[m]: I agree that it's stupid.
19:55:41 <apotheon> for a whole host of reasons
19:57:44 <DanIsnotthemanBr> I think silent.link allowed xmr recently
19:58:24 <apotheon> yep
19:58:44 <apotheon> I haven't used it, though: no need, yet.
19:58:46 <RavFX[m]> it say NO NUMBER Data Only and all IDENTITY Data+SMS+Voicein plans
19:58:46 <RavFX[m]> how can you do verifications if you have no number.
19:58:46 <RavFX[m]> Or I did miss something
19:59:35 <apotheon> I'm not sure what you're asking.
19:59:42 <jozsef[m]> I just love telling buerocrats "I don't have a phone number". They are looking at me like I'm a leper. 🤪 No exceptions.
19:59:45 <apotheon> . . . or if you're asking something, even.
20:00:08 <apotheon> I'd have to say "I don't have a phone number to give you."
20:00:13 <RavFX[m]> When I go on silent.link and check price.
20:00:14 <RavFX[m]> on top it say NO NUMBER, Data only blabla
20:00:30 <apotheon> . . . because I do have a number, but maybe not one I want to give to a bureaucrat.
20:01:46 <jozsef[m]> Theu also have plans with number. But I never call anyone and no one calls me. Hehe.
20:01:46 <RavFX[m]> And it's too expensive when I have access to SIM from random store without id (2$ SIM, then ~10$ to get about 4-5GB worth of Data)
20:02:18 <RavFX[m]> But I guess it's pratical for scammy countries that don't have cheap sim / sim without extensive verifications
20:03:55 <jozsef[m]> I even converted all my family to matrix for msgs, audio, video.
20:04:52 <RavFX[m]> I did convert mine to signal for family.
20:04:52 <RavFX[m]> lot of them where already using whatsapp so easy swap.
20:04:52 <RavFX[m]> Plus signal leak a lot less metadata than matrix
20:05:18 <RavFX[m]> Other guy here was right the other day, XMPP is better
20:06:07 <jozsef[m]> I didn't like that signal's server code is not open source. Or is that telegram?
20:06:24 <RavFX[m]> jozsef[m]: Signal is opensource, they did delay code release in the past.
20:06:35 <jozsef[m]> Ah ok.
20:06:54 <RavFX[m]> Could be telegram.
20:06:54 <RavFX[m]> They do have a FOSS client but I have no idea for server side
20:08:24 <jozsef[m]> Ah, I remember now why I didn't like signal: phone number id.
20:09:22 <RavFX[m]> Yeah, but it's well handled at least. (signal don't keep the contact relation).
20:09:22 <RavFX[m]> And that give the easy of switch for whole familly when they all use whatsapp.
20:09:43 <RavFX[m]> contact just all show up without adding them
20:13:09 <RavFX[m]> Plus it got proved OK.
20:13:09 <RavFX[m]> FBI ask Signal for info
20:13:09 <RavFX[m]> Signal just answer : Yeah, that number use signal indeed, he registred on xx date. That's the only info we have, sorry
20:13:56 <RavFX[m]> Compared to telegram actually leaking data or Matrix leaking a ton of metadata. Could try to get familia to use XMPP but it's going to be more time consuming
20:14:29 <RavFX[m]>  * Compared to telegram actually relinquishing requested data or Matrix leaking a ton of metadata. Could try to get familia to use XMPP but it's going to be more time consuming
20:14:52 <as2333> yeah signal requires an NSA fucktardphone - it's a stupid joke 
20:16:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> <RavFX[m]> "Signal is opensource, they did..." <- Right. But sometimes binary source is unavailable.
20:16:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Session does the same, release apks that are built using blobs with unavailable source 
20:16:31 <as2333> signal servers are on the amazon-NSA cloud. Another stupid joke
20:17:23 <RavFX[m]> as2333: imo it's fine if it's properly e2ee and nsa don't have the keys. Signal need reliable servers I guess.
20:17:35 <as2333> the signal guy got 3 millions from the pentagon to write signal. Nothing to see here, move on.
20:18:27 <as2333> and how about signals little shitcoin scam? =)
20:18:36 <NorrinRadd> it can be on cloud and encrypted at the same time
20:18:48 <NorrinRadd> sufficiently encrypted negates that 
20:19:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Session was outted when trying to fork for fdroid - the signal code they were using didnt have any available source
20:19:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cofe
20:19:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Code
20:19:11 <RavFX[m]> as2333: I hope you are not using tor too !
20:19:27 <as2333> I use tor like the toy it is
20:19:42 <NorrinRadd> as2333: you have a reference for the $3 million statement?
20:19:46 <as2333> it gives some 'plausbile deniability' in some cases
20:20:10 <as2333> NorrinRadd of course - look up signal and the so called 'open technology fund'
20:20:44 <as2333> http://web.archive.org/web/20201126085428/https://www.opentech.fund/results/supported-projects/open-whisper-systems/
20:20:58 <NorrinRadd> keep in mind Trump coupe plot was surrounded by using signal
20:21:05 <NorrinRadd> if signal was bugged, they'd know
20:21:25 <NorrinRadd> Scott Perry, Meadows, all wanted to move all conversations to Signal 
20:21:43 <as2333> more evidence that signal is a honeypot, yes
20:21:49 <NorrinRadd> wtf
20:21:56 <NorrinRadd> evidence how?
20:22:11 <RavFX[m]> States agencies often finance these kind of project, because they also need them.
20:22:19 <as2333> allegedly used by 'conspirators' 
20:22:22 <RavFX[m]> NSA/CIA need Tor
20:22:22 <RavFX[m]> NSA/CIA need Signal...
20:22:22 <RavFX[m]> They all run shady operation...
20:22:35 <as2333> lawl
20:22:36 <NorrinRadd> ^
20:22:40 <as2333> double lawl
20:22:53 <NorrinRadd> RavFX[m]++
20:23:08 <NorrinRadd> tin foil hat identified 
20:23:12 <as2333> NorrinRadd so you didn't know that signal was funded by the pentagon
20:23:17 <RavFX[m]> And we all chatting right now in an un-encrypted room on a service knew to leak a massive amount of metadata
20:23:19 <as2333> NorrinRadd cop identified
20:23:51 <as2333> yep, but I know what I'm doing here.
20:24:25 <NorrinRadd> "allegedly used by 'conspirators'" -- wtf does this mean?  they have the text messages
20:25:29 <as2333> NorrinRadd actually I don't who the people you mention are and I don't carea about them or trump. They have nothing to do with the facts I mentioned.
20:25:52 <NorrinRadd> sure, you know everything.  that's nice. 
20:26:30 <as2333> so you didn't know that signal was funded by the pentagon, and now you just ignore it.
20:26:44 <NorrinRadd> so is tor
20:26:46 <NorrinRadd> who gives a fuck
20:27:04 <as2333> people like you obv don't
20:27:53 <as2333> https://www.wired.com/story/signal-mobilecoin-payments-messaging-cryptocurrency/
20:28:04 <NorrinRadd> old news
20:28:09 <NorrinRadd> not saying anything useful
20:28:16 <NorrinRadd> Signal is rock solid
20:28:22 <as2333> >For now it's listed for sale on just one cryptocurrency exchange, FTX
20:28:34 <sech1> FTX, lol
20:28:38 <as2333> >its 250 million coins, at around $69 each, are currently worth almost $17 billion 
20:29:08 <as2333> well that was then - morlonpoke shitcoin now 'trades' at $1 =)
20:29:54 <RavFX[m]> mobilecoin is just... lol
20:29:54 <RavFX[m]> that thing still exist?
20:30:55 <RavFX[m]> btw, DARPA in involved in and is funding Linux.
20:30:56 <RavFX[m]> Stop using Linux now!!!
20:32:24 <RavFX[m]> mobilecoin is available almose everywhre, including binance, finex, coinex...
20:32:27 <NorrinRadd> DARPA made the internet.  The internet cannot be trusted.
20:32:29 * RavFX[m] posted a file: (114KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/monero.social/iOVCwkCIFfKXeILsRPThzNps/image.png >
20:32:46 <RavFX[m]> stop using it now
20:33:08 <RavFX[m]> stop using all crypto, they depend on internet
20:33:35 <as2333> indeed, the idea that you're going to use the arpanet against the criminals who created is troubled at best
20:33:44 <as2333> who created +it
20:34:04 <as2333> RavFX[m] are you seeling drugs using the government mail system?
20:41:08 <RavFX[m]> <as2333> "RavFX are you seeling drugs..." <- I'm not involved in that market lol
20:53:15 <jozsef[m]> I find this at high level about matrix leaking metadata:
20:53:16 <jozsef[m]> > server admins can see who you talk to & when (but not what)
20:53:16 <jozsef[m]> src: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25687395
20:55:00 <RavFX[m]> There is something about other media in the chats that are not text.
20:55:01 <RavFX[m]> like image, video...
20:55:06 <jozsef[m]> Based on comments at https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/2188, could running a matrix server within i2p mitigate the problem?
20:55:41 <RavFX[m]> jozsef[m]: Could probably help yeah
21:01:22 <jozsef[m]> That's my feeling too. Also found this, fwiw: https://www.reddit.com/r/PrivacyGuides/comments/q7qsty/is_matrix_still_a_metadata_disaster/
22:39:37 <nikg83[m]> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/370
23:23:50 <sech1> wow, whoever created this CCS underestimated the work required by at least a factor of 10
23:30:22 <nioc> sech1: from -community .....
23:30:26 <nioc> Hi I'm boog from the proposal, thanks for your feedback, I just wanted to say that a lot of work has already been done integrating bits of the monero code base in rust so I will not be starting from scratch.  
23:30:26 <nioc> I have spent the last couple months studying and building out bits of monero in rust like the database which is on my GitHub, network types and epee encoding which I will be releasing soon. I have also implemented verification of post Rct amounts (boro-sigs and bulletproof(+)) which I might release to show but I only implemented them to help me understand them better not to actually get used
23:30:54 <nioc> I guess that still doesn't address 10X
23:32:20 <sech1> almost 9 years of code legacy and numerous hardforks that all must be reimplemented. It's not just "Ring signatures (MLSAG, CLSAG)" as it says in CCS
23:32:43 <sech1> just syncing from scratch will require tons of code
23:33:34 <sech1> src folder alone has 8.5 MB of C/C++ code
23:33:42 <sech1> you don't write that amount in 39 weeks
23:33:48 <plowsof11> i assume he will be 'improving' the existing monero-rs https://github.com/monero-rs/monero-rs
23:34:12 <plowsof11> i have no idea what state its in currently 
23:34:51 <sech1> p2pool is 0.5 MB of code and it took 4 weeks working 10 hours/day, and I didn't have to be backwards compatible
23:35:00 <sech1> just by this metric it's a gross underestimation
23:35:15 <sech1> add to this all the new bugs that will be introduced with the new code
23:36:53 <sech1> in 39 weeks, at best he'll write some wrappers around critical C/C++ parts taken directly from Monero code
23:38:28 <sech1> his repos are just forks of the existing Rust Monero projects
23:38:45 <sech1> and he didn't do much work on them, judging by the commits
23:39:13 <sech1> taking a massive project like this alone is either crazy or stupid
23:39:38 <sech1> it needs a team of 5-10 people who are all senior level Rust programmers with previous C/C++ experience, imho
23:40:26 <nioc> boog900[m]: ^^^
23:40:44 <plowsof11> thank you sech1 
23:40:48 <sech1> 5-10 experienced people in 39 weeks - possible
23:40:52 <sech1> 1 person - no
23:41:31 <sech1> I would suggest taking some small isolated part of Monero codebase and implementing it in Rust
23:41:36 <sech1> as a beginning
23:44:02 <sech1> this CCS must be split in much smaller parts, preferably achievable within a month each