02:08:58 <alpharabius[m]> <llacqie[m]> "This site must become real" <- I found some nice domains we could get
02:09:04 <alpharabius[m]> brotrustme.in
02:09:10 <alpharabius[m]> Trustmebro.fund
02:09:18 <alpharabius[m]> Trustmebro.biz
02:09:33 <alpharabius[m]> Trustmebro.world
02:09:51 <alpharabius[m]> Trustmebro.co.in
02:10:13 <alpharabius[m]> Trustmebro.me
02:10:22 <alpharabius[m]> Trustmebro.us
02:14:47 <Steven_M> Is it safe to use a public node that doesn't use SSL, so long as I use it inside Tails (over TOR)? It's a long story, but I can't get access to my VPS node at the moment.
02:14:51 <alpharabius[m]> You can't buy them for xmr, but you can convert xmr to btc on changenow and have it direct to the address you use to pay
02:15:25 <alpharabius[m]> Namecheap takes btc and this is how i bought my first server and domain
02:46:09 <Steven_M> Is it safe to use a public node that doesn't use SSL, so long as I use it inside Tails (over TOR)? It's a long story, but I can't get access to my VPS node at the moment.
04:04:15 <Steven_M> Is it safe to use a public node that doesn't use SSL, so long as I use it inside Tails (over TOR)? It's a long story, but I can't get access to my VPS node at the moment.
04:12:43 <plowsof11> safe in what way? 
04:16:39 <Steven_M> plowsof11: safe, as in people won't be able to trace the TX back to me?
04:23:37 <plowsof11> have you been victim to any kind of poisoned output attack? are state level agencies monitoring you? (its hard to give a blind yes, but generally speaking using tor and a remote node is 'safe') 
04:25:21 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Yes
04:25:44 <Steven_M> plowsof11: even if that mode, for some strange reason doesn't implement SSL?
04:29:10 <Steven_M> plowsof11: *node
04:29:35 <plowsof11> i know nothing about SSL so i can't honestly say 
04:30:12 <plowsof11> tor itself is encrypted no? 
04:30:26 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Times
04:30:35 <DanIsnotthemanBr> * 3 Times
04:30:52 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Not enough?
04:32:06 <Steven_M> DanIsnotthemanBr: Oh, I didn't realize that.
04:33:20 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://www.techradar.com/vpn/what-is-tor-and-how-does-it-work
04:36:55 <Steven_M> DanIsnotthemanBr: Thanks. :)
05:55:23 <Melissa> Hi guys
05:55:29 <Melissa> happy new year
05:58:18 <Melissa> I have a quick question
05:58:29 <Melissa> I've been paid in monero for the first time
05:58:32 <Melissa> 200 dollars
05:58:41 <Melissa> for a proofread job
05:58:54 <Melissa> i did't know that crypto existed
05:59:03 <Melissa> the guy claims is anonymus
05:59:08 <Melissa> I tell him it is not
05:59:46 <Melissa> I guess the moment I switch from monero to bitcoins everyone knows it is him or me
05:59:51 <Melissa> is that correct?
06:00:02 <Melissa> and you have to switch from one to the other one
06:01:41 <plowsof11> congrats on being paid in Monero / crypto!
06:02:59 <plowsof11> why do you have to switch?
06:04:25 <Melissa> to withdraw the money
06:07:14 <plowsof11> you need xmr <-> fiat? you could sell it peer to peer on localmonero.co for cash/something else you want, or find an exchange with xmr<->fiat pair. but you intend to swap for btc and then btc<-> fiat on an exchange?
06:08:18 <Melissa> thanks plow
06:08:29 <Melissa> I'm new in crypto world
06:08:37 <Melissa> could you translate a bit :)
06:09:24 <Melissa> what is fiat?
06:09:38 <plowsof11> e.g. dollars 
06:09:46 <plowsof11> xmr = monero
06:09:57 <Melissa> ok
06:10:16 <Melissa> but I try to do it my cake wallet to witdraw it in an ATM
06:10:20 <Melissa> I need the cash
06:10:28 <Melissa> I'm not that worried
06:10:40 <Melissa> I just want to make a point to the guy paying me
06:10:48 <Melissa> I needed to create a wallet blah blah
06:10:58 <Melissa> and I don't think is anonymous
06:13:01 <plowsof11> a bank transfer / card withdrawals not anonymous though, that would be physical cash in exchange for your monero
06:13:47 <plowsof11> anonymous doesnt matter to you, you just want to turn it into dollars
06:23:56 <Melissa>  exactly, I don't mind and I will do this, but why this guy says it is anonymous and keeps pretending keep paying me if in reality it is not
06:24:11 <Melissa> if you want to withdraw the money
06:24:18 <Melissa> monero is not anonymous any more
06:24:22 <Melissa> am I right?
06:24:25 <Melissa> or he is right?
06:24:33 <Melissa> now is kind of personal haha
06:25:27 <Siren[m]> Melissa: Depends
06:25:38 <plowsof11> tell him to come here so we can congratulate him for pushing Monero
06:26:29 <Siren[m]> No matter how you cash it out they won't be able to trace it back to him, however they might be able to associate it with you
06:28:26 <Melissa> aha, so it is for real for him, so why he says I should use it?
06:28:32 <Melissa> It is not anonymous for me
06:28:53 <Melissa> that part he is not right, is he?
06:29:39 <Melissa> he says change to bitcoins in your cake wallet, sownload it in an ATM is still anonymous
06:30:34 <Siren[m]> Melissa: It is anonymous for you if you don't cash it out, or if you cash it out peer to peer
06:30:37 <Melissa> "tell him to come here so we can congratulate him for pushing Monero" He is kind of too smart/flirty
06:30:53 <Melissa> I don't know if he is the kind of sleller you want
06:31:27 <Melissa> but money is to cash it out, what is the point of working if I don't get my cash
06:31:31 <Melissa> so he is wrong
06:31:33 <Melissa> yeah!
06:31:50 <Siren[m]> Depending on where you live ATMs can have know-your-customer questionnaires. Which makes cashing out no longer anonymous.
06:32:27 <Melissa> ah
06:32:30 <Melissa> ok,
06:32:37 <Melissa> so maybe he is not 100% wrong
06:32:44 <Melissa> I'm in UK
06:33:00 <Melissa> He is in Thailand
06:33:09 <Melissa> maybe there is different
06:33:12 <Siren[m]> Yeah as far as I know you won't find any ATMs in UK anymore :D
06:33:23 <Siren[m]> I think they had them removed not so long ago
06:33:29 <BusyBoredom[m]> Monero it meant to be used without cashing out. It is already cash. You can buy things directly with it on sites like moneromarket.io
06:34:07 <BusyBoredom[m]> Is meant*
06:34:30 <Melissa> ummm, they will send the things you buy to your address?
06:34:53 <Siren[m]> I guess you can give any address
06:35:41 <Melissa> so, why he doesn't pay normal, and we can avoid all these things
06:35:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> He is not wrong
06:35:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero is private 
06:36:02 <BusyBoredom[m]> Yep exactly. Your address, your friends address, a PO box, whatever. The seller will see the address you give of course, but nobody else has to. 
06:36:16 <Melissa> so Monero is not really anonymous if you want to buy milk in the supermarket of my corner shop
06:36:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> What you do with IR afterwards dictates whether YOU remain private
06:36:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Melissa: Not true
06:37:01 <Melissa> anonymous
06:37:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cakepay and coincards can get you anonymous gift cards to buy milk 
06:37:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> In a yes
06:37:18 <Melissa> what's that?
06:37:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Swipe left to right in cake wallet for USA gift cards 
06:37:34 <Melissa> I need to buy gifcards to pay for milk?
06:37:44 <Melissa> but I'm in the UK
06:38:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> sgp:  or someone else know about cakepay's UK support?
06:38:55 <plowsof11> Europe is soon(tm)
06:39:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Melissa: Can you spend Australian dollars at your supermarket? 
06:39:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> (No, you cant) 
06:39:25 <BusyBoredom[m]> If you use your credit card to buy milk, the credit card company, associated third parties, government etc. will see what you bought and when and how much it cost.
06:39:25 <BusyBoredom[m]> If you use monero, only the supermarket will know. 
06:39:25 <BusyBoredom[m]> Of course you're right that most supermarkets don't directly support monero yet, but that's not monero's fault. 
06:40:12 <Melissa> most? I have never seen monero until now
06:40:32 <Melissa> Most... I doubt in UK you can find a supermarket you can pay moneros
06:40:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its ok to be green. I just found out that water is wet. We all start somewhere
06:41:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> I doubt you have any idea what youre talking about 
06:41:20 <BusyBoredom[m]> Yeah, it's pretty rare. You're totally right that adoption in physical stores is lacking, it's a very fare criticism. 
06:42:09 <BusyBoredom[m]> But it won't get better unless we start using it ourselves whenever possible. 
06:42:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its not fair, as its a wild guess and not entirely true 
06:42:19 <plowsof11> most supermarkets have gift cards (less kyc to obtain than a visa gift card) - proxy merchants should start selling them 
06:42:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> In crypto, monero is top 4 lost accepted coins and always has been
06:42:34 <Melissa> 'm not trying to critisise anybody here, I just want to have a fair disucssion with my payer, if I'm wrong I will accept it
06:42:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Most*
06:42:38 <plowsof11> for europe e.g. Aldi 
06:43:25 <plowsof11> melissa look behind you - theres about 30 proof readers waiting in line to accept payment in monero
06:43:33 <plowsof11> your payer will move on lol
06:43:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Does cakepay.com have UK stuffs?
06:44:23 <Melissa> well plow, I'm afraid proofreading is not about how you get pais, it is the first time somebody paying in monero in 10 years
06:45:05 <Melissa> I have no idea if cakepay works in Uk, I will check
06:45:05 <BusyBoredom[m]> I think her point of supermarkets not directly accepting monero is fair. The gift card conversion is a clunky workaround compared to native support.
06:45:14 <plowsof11> just get tommy from allark to send you fiat direclty 
06:45:46 <Melissa> just get tommy from allark to send you fiat direclty ????
06:45:54 <Melissa> What you mean/
06:45:55 <Melissa> ?
06:46:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: ,Yes, yes it does
06:46:21 <plowsof11> a joke^ if you dont care about privacy and you insist on having fiat  you're in the uk - set up a binance account and sell it directly for fiat there
06:46:22 <Melissa> Then, What countries have monero ATM?
06:47:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Melissa: Read czrefullly from top to bottom
06:47:23 <plowsof11> they act as a visa card at the checkout - and the proxy merchant can buy to order 
06:47:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> BusyBoredom[m]: Its not
06:47:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Let me make this real easy
06:47:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Melissa:  do you already have a crypto exchange account, such as binance
06:48:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1. XMR is private. The person who paid you wasnt lying or ripping you off.
06:48:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Good on them for showing you monero
06:49:34 <plowsof11> (they're also smart and flirtatious) 
06:51:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2) xmr works too well for governments to acknowledge it. Cashing out of xmr requires using a shitty crypto ( like litecoin or bitcoin ).
06:51:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2 continued.
06:51:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you have an exchange account for stuff like btc or ltc, use that to cash out 
06:51:18 <spackle_xmr[m]> I believe localmonero.co has a decent list of offers/methods for turning XMR into GBP, some of which would suit this purpose.
06:54:02 <Melissa> I'm going to use the same cake wallet to withdraw from bitcoins in an ATM
06:54:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> The problem with localmonero is Melissa sounds like they just want it to work, without the whole classifieds experience 
06:54:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> So.. main q.. do ya already have an account to buy/sell crypto (like Binance)
06:54:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> ATM will likely rip you off ~10%
06:54:26 <Melissa> My point was just that this is probably not annonymous any more as my payer keeps saying
06:54:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> You're incorrect 
06:54:40 <plowsof11> Crypto ATMs operating in the country are illegal, U.K.'s financial regulator says.
06:55:33 <Melissa> so, I don't even have bitcoin ATM's in the UK?
06:55:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its as anonymous as they said.
06:55:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you go TELL sombody "Melissa wants to swap 1 xmr for cash", obviously that isnt anonymous. 
06:55:37 <BusyBoredom[m]> If you deliberately expose yourself by trading to fiat via kyc, then yeah your anonymity is blown. Monero didn't blow it though, you did
06:56:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> @Melli can you answer my question please?
06:56:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Do you have an exchange account, such as binance 
06:57:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its ok if the answer is no... but if it is yes, that is your easiest on/off ramp
06:58:05 <Melissa> ofrn, you don't get the point, I was paid for a legal job, I don't care if they relate me with this money. I just want to proof to my payer that if I try to cash this money, it will be linked to me
06:58:14 <Melissa> so thanks, you answered my question
06:58:22 <Melissa> it will be linked to me
06:58:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oh, well in that case, no
06:58:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Your wrong and you wont be able to prove that to your payer. This isnt btc
06:58:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> @ trol'
06:58:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Troll
06:59:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> You've been told 10x that monero is private and the only linkage is stuff that you tell people 
06:59:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Like, you told us that he paid you monero. Its not anonymous is you tell me!
07:00:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> A secret cant ve kept by software if PEOPLE use their mouth to tell the secret 
07:00:09 <Melissa> I don't have binance
07:00:33 <Melissa> and I guess you have to give all your details, so again no anonymity
07:01:05 <BusyBoredom[m]> I don't think she's a troll deliberately, I think she's just not used to the idea of using currencies beyond her local legal tender. 
07:01:36 <Melissa> I'm not a troll
07:01:42 <Melissa> I just have no clue what is this
07:01:56 <Melissa> it is the first time I'm using crypto
07:02:14 <spackle_xmr[m]> I don't believe this method (or similar) would require any KYC: https://localmonero.co/ad/sell-monero-cash-49-charing-cross%2c-westminster%2c-london%2c-sw1a-2dd%2c-united-kingdom/d8e1f4db-8bb6-485d-a1f4-db8bb6185d46
07:02:15 <Melissa> anyway, thanks for the people here that try to help
07:03:09 <Melissa> bye
07:03:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> > I just want to proof to my payer that if I try to cash this money, it will be linked to me... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/9e13dee0d9c2f70b674d3c535a6022d30ca7e052>)
07:03:33 <Melissa> what is this ofrn?
07:03:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oh, sorry. You're on libera
07:03:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Probably messed up the formatting for you
07:03:56 <Melissa> bah whatever, I'm not going to waste my time with you dude
07:04:11 <Melissa> I don't know what is libera
07:04:13 <Melissa> bye
07:04:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bye sir
07:05:38 <plowsof11> Thanks for the information ofrnxmr.. although cashing out to fiat is not anonymous (unless face to face / mail for cash) - i will register on binance and sell monero instantly and have fiat deposited to my bank account 
07:06:31 <plowsof11> also busyboredom spackle_xmr very much thanks
07:06:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> 😆😆 dont give binance the xmr hahaha
07:06:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> But seriously, whether the exchange has xmr or not doesnt matter.
07:06:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> XMR > Trocador.app over tor > shitcoin > exchange like binance 
07:07:03 <plowsof11> its ok , they have disabled my account demanding to know where the monero came from
07:09:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: Cashing out of xmr directly is only possible on kraken and binance global iirc
07:09:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> But if you arent cashing out directly, the xmr isnt linked to you 
07:10:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its super obvious that if you hand binance xmr and ask for cash, that binance knows that you handed them xmr and asked for cash 
07:11:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> And face to face isnt anonymous unless youre wearing a skimask in a back alley 😝😝
07:16:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> I also wonder how Melissa got on irc without knowing what libera is 🫣
07:16:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> I wonder what he bought from Melissa 
07:17:21 <plowsof11> probably using a vpn / cloaked 
07:21:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> I called troll because textbook confirmation bias. Using libera tells me they arent stupid
07:28:33 <Siren[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "And face to face isnt anonymous..." <- monerobull should start selling ski masks with monero logo pattern instead of body pillows
07:30:07 <plowsof11> why can't we have both (asking for a friend)
07:30:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> I want monero sockpuppets for my show. Any idea where I can find them?
07:31:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im going to use a monero sockpuppet for the next monero meet, instead of an avatar 
07:31:12 <Siren[m]> plowsof11: You can
07:31:35 <Siren[m]> But monero ski mask would be drip
07:31:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> monerobull:  wale up, we need you
07:33:06 <Siren[m]> Siren[m]: I have GNU scarf now need Monero ski mask
07:33:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> I know a guy that does clothing and surgical mask
07:37:50 <plowsof11>           di
07:38:16 <plowsof11> dir ignore 
10:12:51 <ceetee[m]> <Siren[m]> "monerobull should start selling..." <- I think @crypt0_bear has ski mask merch, maybe we get colab
12:34:14 <monerobull[m]1> Hello
12:34:35 <monerobull[m]1> Yeah, bear is already doing masks 
12:36:37 <monerobull[m]1> <Siren[m]> "monerobull should start selling..." <- It's rarely really cold where I'm at and i don't do skiing so I'd personally have greater use for a body pillow 😂
13:39:39 <rub1ck[m]> Gave up on trying to sync the node on a usb drive and I'm doing it now on a ssd. Set up 17h ago and it's 45% already. I'm happy. It's a 128gb drive and I hope it don't run out of space before finishing the sync
13:40:28 <sech1> You need 160 GB
13:40:41 <sech1> unless you're syncing pruned blockchain
13:41:55 <rub1ck[m]> It synced almost half of it and it didn't took that much space. Is it gonna increase non linearly as the sync goes on?
13:43:45 <selsta> rub1ck[m]: blockchain usage isn't linear
13:44:11 <selsta> you will have to sync a pruned chain
13:44:16 <selsta> --prune-blockchain
13:45:11 <rub1ck[m]> monerod --prune-blockchain? 
13:52:32 <plowsof11> will need to delete and start from scratch basically?
13:53:11 <plowsof11> pruned is ~55GB at least 
13:54:05 <rub1ck[m]> I guess I'm already syncing a pruned node as default according to the tutorial I'm following. Is there any way to confirm this using some command just to double check?
13:55:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: No
13:56:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just add --prune-blockchain and the chain will stop growing
13:57:58 <ceetee[m]> When you prune after doing a partial full sync, the database file won't get smaller. Instead it will delete portions of the database it doesn't need and fill the reclaimed space with new data
13:58:19 <Rucknium[m]> Yes. Can you submit command to monerod in terminal?
13:59:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Whatever tutorial you used should have the flag... dies it
13:59:17 <ajs_[m]> monerokon press release will be going out soon. anyone wants to say something about monerokon and be quoted.. https://monerokon.prowly.com/221722-3rd-annual-international-monero-konferenco-on-security-privacy-and-decentralization-in-blockchain-technology
13:59:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Does*
14:00:10 <sgp[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Does cakepay.com have UK stuffs?" <- Yes
14:00:26 <sgp[m]> <Melissa> "I have no idea if cakepay..." <- Yes, buy.cakepay.com
14:00:38 <plowsof11> my database is 195GB
14:01:28 <Rucknium[m]> If you type check_blockchain_pruning into the terminal where monerod is running, it will tell you.
14:03:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im seeing significant lag on matrix side
14:04:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Missing irc messages etc
14:05:44 <rub1ck[m]> Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.1.1-release)
14:05:44 <rub1ck[m]> Blockchain is pruned
14:05:44 <rub1ck[m]> Guess I'm alright then and it should fit on my drive. Xmr pruned blockchain is around 60gb, right?
14:07:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Right, 60gb
14:15:26 <rub1ck[m]> Thanks!!
14:20:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof: how is it 195? Did the main chain grow 40gb? Over the last couple months?
14:22:23 <monerobull[m]1> Should be more like 160
14:24:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Provably 159 then, typo?
14:27:28 <plowsof11> i think it crashed while syncing once or twice and i had to start over. so it continues on top of the old one somehow 😁
14:27:52 <selsta> rub1ck[m]: in case you have issues make sure to update to v0.18.1.2
14:28:04 <selsta> v0.18.1.1 had some wallet daemon connection bugs
14:40:15 <plowsof11> yeah mainet is 160~
15:08:17 <rub1ck[m]> <selsta> "rub1ck: in case you have..." <- Is is possible to update if monerod is running through docker?
15:09:43 <RavFX[m]> Yeah I think so, if it use a well maintained image it should update it on next run
15:09:43 <RavFX[m]> If no I don't know, you might want to work on it yourself
15:09:46 <RavFX[m]> s/on/own/
15:17:59 <alpharabius[m]> Throughts on an xmr bull run?
15:18:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> #monero-markets:monero.social 
15:18:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> But my thoughts, focus on the tech
15:19:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Without it, were just NGU.
15:19:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> The money should come because the product is #1
15:20:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> And I dont mean #1 on whatever bs cex. I mean #1 choice vs cash/credit/debit/cbdc
15:54:06 <hyc> good tech doesn't actually sell itself. we still need to educate the public.
15:57:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Normies have to use it, but it also has to (continue to) work (unlike most other chains)
17:56:16 <eudaimon36[m]> <hyc> "good tech doesn't actually..." <- Good to hear this sentiment--there is and Enlightenment, capitalist myth that the best product always wins. All one needs do is look at McDonalds and the obesity of America to know that's not true.
17:56:20 <eudaimon36[m]> s/and/an/
18:02:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> You wrote "McDonalds" but unread "bitcoin"
18:02:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> I read**
18:02:56 <as2333> eudaimon36[m] what, you don't like plastic burgers?
18:14:59 <Torr> as2333: http://0x0.st/oR3V.jpg
18:53:59 <great_taste> if society was made of great people, the best product would win yes
18:54:10 <great_taste> but society is 99% worthless filth
18:54:26 <great_taste> brainless npc bots
18:54:35 <great_taste> degens
18:55:14 <vdo> best people make mistakes
19:06:34 <Torr> vdo: Yup
19:08:33 <Torr> great_taste: Tame that perfectionism, buddy, otherwise u may end up burning valuable bridges.
19:09:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> <great_taste> "brainless npc bots" <- Openai chatgpt says "thems is fighting words"
19:13:16 <great_taste> Torr: yeah, that's one of my defects. Gotta tolerate people
19:14:02 <rbrunner> Of course we all here solidly belong to that 1% sliver at the top, so nothing to worry.
19:14:11 <as2333> the problem is the criminals at the top 
19:14:26 <as2333> so the problem is the 1%, not the rest
19:15:08 <great_taste> the criminals make use of the brainless. They're not powerful by themselves, nobody is, we're all fragile in the same ways
19:15:34 <as2333> the criminals at the top are better organized - that's how organized crime works...
19:15:36 <rbrunner> as2333: lol, alternative interpretation
19:15:44 <great_taste> they only have power because there are people the serve and protect them
19:15:52 <as2333> rbrunner =)
19:16:06 <great_taste> *that
19:16:27 <great_taste> you know where that term comes from... "serve and protect"
19:17:42 <great_taste> as2333: that's what makes the jews better than us, they're very organized, work well in teams, very united, stronger together
19:18:14 <rbrunner> Well, that didn't take long ...
19:18:35 <great_taste> if you're going to be honest, they deserve the power they have
19:22:15 <as2333> the only thing that oligarchs of any nationality deserve is a thorough beaten and giving up everything they stole
19:22:24 <as2333> beating*
19:25:23 <Mochi101> .urmom
19:27:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> <great_taste> "as2333: that's what makes the..." <- Finally, someone admits im better than them and explains why 🥳
19:27:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> My eyes must be playing tricks on me. I swear that said "thats what makes _ofrnxmr_ better than us"
20:16:54 <eudaimon36[m]> Wow, did my offhand comment generate the discussion...
20:54:35 <Dal[m]> Is there a monero space address?
20:54:50 <Dal[m]> * space address to join?
20:57:52 <plowsof11> https://matrix.to/#/#monerospace:monero.social
20:58:21 <Dal[m]> gracias